BIRTH CERTIFICATE

[Cabin4]

Obama is holding the American people hostage to the truth. That is not an over statement.

[SHOOTALL]

Most Americans would be proud to prove they are one .

[Junior1942]

Most Americans would be proud to prove they are one .

Weird.  I thought he'd proved it a dozen times, maybe more.  I thought the Supreme Court threw it out without comment just a week ago.  My mistake, I suppose.  Maybe the court was packed with liberal judges?

[Cabin4]

And OJ was found inocent

[Cabin4]

Why did SCOTUS not hear the case?

The Obama administration did not file, and the high court did not demand, a formal government response to this latest legal claim. The high court will often insist the Justice Department weigh in with its views on a particular constitutional issue, or when it is being sued, and that is a sign the justices are seriously considering accepting the appeal.

Among the issues the high court has refused to fully address in these appeals involves "standing," whether individual Americans can bring such a lawsuit, by first establishing personal, direct "harm" or "injury" from having Obama occupy the White House. Overcoming that legal hurdle would allow such suits to proceed on the merits in courts.

[powderman]

Maybe the court was packed with liberal judges?




He appointed 2 of them, I won't comment on what else they are but they fit his liberal, hate White America  pro gay agenda, anything to destroy us. POWDERMAN. 

[Pat/Rick]

Do the courts work for we the people? Or a corrupt government? Will the courts uphold unconstitutional laws and honor the testimony of illegal organizations? Yeah, they're on our side 

[crustylicious]

birthers!

[Guy Pike]

With no electable Republicans and the Independents and Tea-Partiers splitting the vote up even more he's quit likely to get re-elected!

[Cabin4]

Barry was born in the USA!!!!

[williamlayton]

I am tired of beating this dead horse.
Blessings

[DDZ]

Yes, I saw his birth certificate in a internet news story yesterday.

  Obama is a Christian today.   

So that confirms it, Pass Lake saw his birth certificate on the internet. What were we thinking that he was not born in America?

Notice how easy it is to label someone a Christian? Not taking into account, his character, his ideas, or what he does. 

[powderman]

Notice how easy it is to label someone a Christian? Not taking into account, his character, his ideas, or what he does. 




YEP, I reckon the new age Christians have convinced God that he is old fashioned and he now approves of killing babies you don't want and that homosexuality is simply another lifestyle. WRONG. POWDERMAN. 

[magooch]

With all the seeds of doubt that have been sewn about the circumstances of Obama's birth, I'm betting if he were a Republican instead of a Dumocrat, the left leaning media would be all over it and there would be a major in depth report on it.  Now, one could make the point that Fox could do it, but can you imagine the tirade that would generate from the left.

I made the point in another post that it really doesn't matter, because even if Barry were to be booted out, the replacement would probably be Biden.  I say probably, because who knows what would come from such an action.  Didn't someone mention that there would no doubt be a black uprising?  That brings up all sorts of possibilities.

[Cabin4]

I am tired of beating this dead horse.
Blessings

There's always the option of not reading or posting on this thread. Right?

[Junior1942]

With all the seeds of doubt that have been sewn manufactured about the circumstances of Obama's birth, .....

There, I fixed it for you.

[williamlayton]

YUP, Cabin
I stared it and ask for it to be locked and/or deleted because of the obvious lack of sense displayed and all it got was the post deleted.
Might happen to this'un also.
Blessings

[Cabin4]

YUP, Cabin
I stared it and ask for it to be locked and/or deleted because of the obvious lack of sense displayed and all it got was the post deleted.
Might happen to this'un also.
Blessings

William, Why would you ask to have a thread locked? Just becasue you don't like a subject or disagree with the politics of it? That seems a bit odd. There are plently of threads around here that I don't like. I never asked for one to be locked up because I disagree with the political stance.


Look at how the left wing media, including the main stream left wing media was all over the Bush military service story. They investigated and investigated. They said Bush lied about it.Dan Rather even presented known manufactured/false documents about the Bush military service. They were all salivating over the "question" for years. Demanding answers to what they thought were contradictions. It all fell apart when Bush was able to prove that Rather and his team over at CBS presented known false documents. Rathers team were fired and he shortly later retired (asked to leave).

Now we have president who is A:birth status under the constitution is being challenged and or B: Him lying on college entrance documents. So either Obama is lying about B or A or both. One thing we do know is he is a liar at minimum about B if he is eligible under A. Where is the main stream media on this? The are ignoring B and only focusing on A.

[williamlayton]

Cabin
Why would I---good question.
As I have stated---and it is not a good arguement,, but is a valid obsevation---There are many facts that we can attack this administration on without watering down our position and bringing discritation to ourownselves by useless gossip and outright poor argument.
I get so many e-mails that are outright stupid and without validation on this administration that it is becomeing boring.
The case is in the hands of lawyers and the courts----you may not trust them, but it is what we have.
There is a copy of a BC---wheather or not it fits anyone elses definition of what a BC should look like, say, or the state that issued it---that was the point of the original post-----there is a copy of a BC---which does knock the arguement that there is no BC.
Personally---I never really doubted that it could be produced--falsely or legit.
It is there however and it is obvious that the courts have seen it and ruled it into evidence a legit.
Lets thrash him with the facts--not ineundos and gossip.
Facts + nothing do more good than crying wolf without sense.
Blessings

[Pat/Rick]

I didn't think our senate or congress would allow someone who isn't a natural born citizen (as defined and meets constraints of Constitutional law at their time of birth )serve as president either. I got curious and decided that their were other news agencies besides the alphabet channels. newsmax and world net daily both have alot of info. They have more information and facts than the talking heads IMO, who just seem to repeat what the other channels say. It may be that the thought of our government being corrupt, is so undesireable that some folks refuse to believe it instead of seeking out both sides to a story like I try to do. YMMV

[MGMorden]

Cabin
Why would I---good question.
As I have stated---and it is not a good arguement,, but is a valid obsevation---There are many facts that we can attack this administration on without watering down our position and bringing discritation to ourownselves by useless gossip and outright poor argument.
I get so many e-mails that are outright stupid and without validation on this administration that it is becomeing boring.
The case is in the hands of lawyers and the courts----you may not trust them, but it is what we have.
There is a copy of a BC---wheather or not it fits anyone elses definition of what a BC should look like, say, or the state that issued it---that was the point of the original post-----there is a copy of a BC---which does knock the arguement that there is no BC.
Personally---I never really doubted that it could be produced--falsely or legit.
It is there however and it is obvious that the courts have seen it and ruled it into evidence a legit.
Lets thrash him with the facts--not ineundos and gossip.
Facts + nothing do more good than crying wolf without sense.
Blessings

This is probably the best political post I've seen in months.  If more people would read this post, take it to heart, and actually practice it, I think a Democrat would have a much harder time getting elected in this country. 

[SHOOTALL]

There ya'll go agin clouding the issues with facts  what fun is in that 

[Cabin4]

Facts:

No original Live Birth certificate for Obama has been seen. This is the original one with your foot and hand prints on it.
Obama's parent applied for a birth certificate for him during a period in time when Hawaii law allowed little to no proof that the subject had actually been born there. Hawaii was essentially
No doctor or nurse involved in his birth has ever stepped forward.
No records from a hospital in Hawaii have ever been produced.
He applied as a foreign student and received financial aid as a foreign student at Occidental college.
He has relatives (many) in Kenya that have said he was born there.

Having said all of this, there are likely explanations that could put this all to rest. Obama knows what the answer is. Why he refuses to explain this in some form is strange. Maybe he feels that he is just “above” all this. May he is not a legitimate citizen.

And the truth is we don’t know. Yet the American people do have a "right" to know that the president qualifies for the office under our constitution. Some may elect to put their head in the sand on this one. Others will give him the benefit simply because they don't care or believe it’s really not all that important. Some will look at his "record" on other issues and translate his actions and contradictions into suspicion and never let this go until explained.

Yes, never let the facts get in the way of the truth

[SHOOTALL]

Or better to question why someone would spend 2 million to keep from telling the truth ?

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Cabin4:

Having said all of this, there are likely explanations that could put this all to rest. Obama knows what the answer is. Why he refuses to explain this in some form is strange.

Come on now, would you or most other "birthers" believe any explanation that he might give? He probably thinks that there is nothing he can say or do to change anyones mind so why waste his time besides he does not need to since it is not effecting him staying in office. By the way I may not be legal I guess as my 1955 Kansas birth certificate does not show my foot or finger prints.
GuzziJohn

[MGMorden]

By the way I may not be legal I guess as my 1955 Kansas birth certificate does not show my foot or finger prints.

My 1981 South Carolina cert doesn't show them either.  I wonder to what degree people are just assuming all the stuff that a Hawaii birth certificate of the day "should" have and then declaring anything they see as a copy or invalid because the copy lacks those traits. 

I can assure you guys, that regardless of their political leanings, if someone that rich and powerful wanted to forge a document, they wouldn't have some mentally handicapped peon leaving off official seals and/or footprints.  As a matter of fact, I can pretty much guarantee that a forged document would be perfect - perhaps even suspiciously so. 

[mcwoodduck]

William,
You know this is a good topic.
the questions still have not been answered.
The left and the media are really good about deflecting the question.
During the Clinton Impeachemnt- the media diverted the facts and made it about something it was not.
It was not about the act in the oval office or the stained blue dress, it was about the President of the US asking someone to commit purgury in a sexual harrasmant law suit.  The Media moved it to being about infadelity.
The Constitution states that to be President you need to be born on US Soil. 
Even if he were the second comming of Ronald Reagan instead of Karl Marx, I would still want to have the questions answered.
The Constitution is the law of the land and if it does not mean anything then none of our laws mean anything.
The oath to defend and protect ... means nothing if the document means nothing.
Now the question still needs to be answered.  Having the Court say the people bring the suit do not have standing is not an answer to the question.
Having a Live birth certificate is like haveing a Mexican Consular card.  Anyone can get one in any name you want.  And are useless in getting a form of ID.
It will not allow you to get a drivers license, will not allow you to register to vote, and will not allow you to obtain a passport.
When I was younger there were places all over New York City that said ID Cards.  My friends and I walked in and had ID's made.  I think we were 14 or 15 at the time that said we were 22 and in goofy made up names.  From what I understand the Hawaiian certificate is the same thing.

[Pass Lake]

On the subject of Christianity: 

 "Morality goes beyond sex to human freedom and social justice." Billy Graham

[SHOOTALL]

Quote from Cabin4:

Having said all of this, there are likely explanations that could put this all to rest. Obama knows what the answer is. Why he refuses to explain this in some form is strange.

Come on now, would you or most other "birthers" believe any explanation that he might give? He probably thinks that there is nothing he can say or do to change anyones mind so why waste his time besides he does not need to since it is not effecting him staying in office. By the way I may not be legal I guess as my 1955 Kansas birth certificate does not show my foot or finger prints.
GuzziJohn

It would have been alot easier if it had come when the debate started not 2 years later , just saying 

[Pass Lake]

I heard that Biden doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate either and no one wanted Pelosi to be made POTUS.