BIRTH CERTIFICATE

[Cabin4]

Fact:

The state of California will not issue my 79 year old mother a state ID card. We moved her here from Florida and her FL drivers license expired and so did her US Passport. We secured a birth certificate from the state of New York where she was born hoping this would be sufficient for the state of Cal to issue her a state ID. Wrong, the state of Cal will not accept the birth certificate as proof she is a legal citizen of this country. We cannot locate a copy of her original birth certificate and her middle name is spelled different on the birth cert than her SS card.

My mother cannot get a state ID but Obama can become president yet if his driver’s license or passport expired, he could not met the threshold required to proof he qualifies for a state ID in any state.

[scootrd]

Also with Occidental College refusing to make public his school records, did he go to school on the foreign scholorship program?  If he did then he isn't an American citizen and if he is an American, he lied about being a foreigner to get a free education.  Some people think he was hired by the CIA when he went to Pakistan in the 80's and that is why his records are sealed.  

No he didn't  -  it was an internet hoax

and lets not forget the huge conspiracy theory that must have gone into somehow reprinting the newspaper announcement published at that time announcing his birth.  

Birthers are just weird.


This chain e-mail is a transparent April Fools' Day hoax. It fabricates an AP news story about an nonexistent group, and makes false claims about Obama and the Fulbright program. The claim is that Obama received a Fulbright scholarship for foreign students, proving that he is not a U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be president. Supposedly this was reported by The Associated Press. But the claim is false and the story is a hoax. The Associated Press was contacted just to confirm what should be obvious, that no such news story ever appeared on the news agency's wires. Jack Stokes, the AP's manager of media relations, gave us this statement:

    AP: The story purported to be from The Associated Press on April 1 is fake.

Furthermore, the group that the fake story credits with gaining release of the supposed "smoking gun" documents is also a fake. Searches of news accounts and Internet sites showed no trace of any group called "Americans for Freedom of Information," until recently. On May 6 such a group did appear, but only as a joke to make fun of anyone who had fallen for the April Fools' Day gag. An anonymous blogger set up a site calling itself "Americans for Freedom of Information: We Do Not Exist." Its first entry begins:

    "Americans for Freedom of Information" May 6: We are the Americans for Freedom of Information. We are a fictitious group of individuals; i.e. we do not exist. And yet, for a nonexistent organization we wield great power and knowledge! O Yea, Verily. OK, actually, not verily at all. Anti-verily, as a matter of an utter lack of fact.

No Fulbright: Contrary to what this e-mail claims, Obama's scholarship wasn't a Fulbright. It's true that many foreign students come to the U.S. under the Fulbright program, sponsored by the United States Department of State's Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. But Fulbrights for foreign students are primarily intended for graduate students studying for masters' degrees or Ph.D. degrees, not for college freshmen and sophomores. (Obama was a Freshman) No "Soetoro": Another false claim is that Obama attended and received financial aid "under the name Barry Soetoro," using the surname of his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro.

The college's Director of Communications Jim Tranquada said there's no record of that.

Occidental spokesman Tranquada: Contemporary public documents, such as the 1979-80 freshman 'Lookbook' published at the beginning of President Obama's first year at Occidental, list him as Barack Obama. All of the Occidental alumni I have spoken to from that era (1979-81) who knew him, knew him as Barry Obama. No Records: It's not even true that Occidental has released Obama's student records, as claimed in the message. Nor have courts ordered any such records to be made public.

[Pass Lake]

NEWS FLASH:  John Boehner may not be a citizen.  His birth certificate is questionable.  Oh, and he has dark skin.

[mcwoodduck]

NEWS FLASH:  John Boehner may not be a citizen.  His birth certificate is questionable.  Oh, and he has dark skin.

NEWS FLASH:
1) John Boehner Does not have to be a US born citizen to hold his position.
Even Pelosi does not have to be a US Born Citizen to be Speaker of the house.
She would just be passed over in the line of succession if she did not meet the qualifications for president, same as if she were not old enough.  Heck since she was on the design commitee for Dirt she was not born in the US as it is not as old as she is.
2) No one cares what color skin he has. We do not like BHO for other reasons! BHO's communist ways being number one.
His Disreguard for the constitution, private property, and his not understanding the economy and the roll of taxes being other reasons.
I should take that back, I think he fully understands the roll of taxes in killing jobs, raising prices, and limiting choices.  I think he sees it and wants there to be more problems.
And there you go again trying to make a substive argeument about something it is not.  Bad Logic when you break down to calling the other side names.

[teamnelson]

If someone has a valid question and no valid answer, they are a lunatic to continue to ask? I see, call me crazy but
I think its a craziness shared by those who pursue difficult questions in science, philosophy, theology ... a certain professional
skepticism that desires more than a simple "shut up serf and listen to what I say." So far all the anti-birthers have offered
to me is a "shut up serf" answer, disguised in the form of "you wouldn't believe it we did" or "he couldn't hold office without it."
There is a faulty logic behind those answers that reveals the prejudice of the speaker. All I ask for is a legally verified document
that is in keeping with the Hawaiian laws at the time of his birth. I don't ask any more of him than I would of anyone else.

Why is this still important 2 years after the fact? Because the law is still the law, and will remain the law until the law is changed. When you choose to no longer enforce the law, you erode the social contract that is our society, and the framework upon which we stand. If you don't like the law, we have ways to change the law, but choosing to ignore the law is not the action of a rational or free society.

[powderman]

TN. Well put, agreed. POWDERMAN. 

[Spirithawk]

Doesn't it seem logical that, if a legitimate birth certificate exists, they would be quick to produce it and settle the question once and all? How hard is that? The fact that they don't makes a person wonder. Trouble is that these days you can't believe anything you hear and only a fraction of what you see.

[Cabin4]

In a earlier post someone said that "Birthers" are wierd. I'm just fine with that description.

[scootrd]

I wonder how they x-filed the announcement in the old newspaper the year of his birth?
Maybe we need to ask Moulder and Scully?

BTW  - Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii has gone on record saying "the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii."
I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

[Spirithawk]

In a day and age where just about anything you can name can be duplicated or falsified it would be impossible to prove anything by a simple document. Looking for a true, verifiable birth certificate is just a lesson in futility. No way to prove it one way nor another. Works both ways, for or against him, depending on what a person is wishing to see.

[Cabin4]

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

This is the best thing the president and his democrat national comitte can offer the American people as an explanation. No wonder 27% of Americans question his citizenship status.

[williamlayton]

On the otherhand---what if it is legit ??
You folks are like dogs howling at the moon.
Move on to a more substantive arguement like---competence.
Blessings

[jwv]

  In Oklahoma we have Long form, short form, amended & delayed birth certificates. As Spirithawk has stated yes they can be falsified. There are Indian tribes in Oklahoma that are going back over their files because they have issued CDIB cards in the past that used the amended birth certificates that were not true. Just about every state will be a little different then the next.
        As for Obamas birth certificate, to me it is a short form which will always have the least amount of information. Their is NO state Registrar seal or number or signature, there is no signature of the attending physician, maybe it is on the back of the form. To me most of the information is the same that was taken from the news paper clipping that the state of Hawaii first gave out. To me it is NOT LEGIT. Not enough information.
     William I am glad you brought  up this issue, yes it's been chewed on a lot here and to me that's good. Like you  I believe that truth will stand any test.That's what we want.               Jack

[SHOOTALL]

On the otherhand---what if it is legit ??
You folks are like dogs howling at the moon.
Move on to a more substantive arguement like---competence.
Blessings

William I respect your thought but suggest that the squeeky hinge gets the oil and only thru. such debate can the truth be forced out .

[Cabin4]

This issue goes directly to his ethics & honesty which is just as important if not more than his competance.

[SHOOTALL]

This issue goes directly to his ethics & honesty which is just as important if not more than his competance.

And more importantly, to those who put him up for office....

TM7
.

Could we suggest Hollywood, public education brain washing and repeating lies until they become accepted is working ?

[williamlayton]

I was informed that the BC was made available by his attorney's on request.
It was just never publicized.
IMANO?
Blessings

[Spirithawk]

On the otherhand---what if it is legit ??
You folks are like dogs howling at the moon.
Move on to a more substantive arguement like---competence.
Blessings

I agree. He's already in office so we'd all do much better trying to change things that we can change rather than chasing smoke.

[wreckhog]

Given that most birthers have no idea what they want a birth certificate to look like and are more likely to believe an email than a state governor or their own eyes, what is the point?

[Junior1942]

I wonder how they x-filed the announcement in the old newspaper the year of his birth?
Maybe we need to ask Moulder and Scully?

BTW  - Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii has gone on record saying "the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii."
I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

Just wanted to make sure you birthers read this.  The governor says it's "a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this" but she doesn't understand that the birthers would distract the country to destruction if it meant getting the black man out of the Oval Office.  Birthers are traitors.

[LONGTOM]

And still no one bothers to check out the report from the Kenyan airport that his mother was refused a boarding pass because of her advanced state of pregnancy.
It was reported on the news at the time.
I don't know if it is true or not, but if it is, it sure would blow a big hole in the born in Hawaii story!



LONGTOM

[Cabin4]

On the otherhand---what if it is legit ??
You folks are like dogs howling at the moon.
Move on to a more substantive arguement like---competence.
Blessings

I agree. He's already in office so we'd all do much better trying to change things that we can change rather than chasing smoke.

I’m not an investigative arm of the government or part of some private political organization out to get the president. The time I and many others spend on this is of no disservice to anyone except maybe ourselves. We're just a bunch of opinionated citizens who care that we have a president who lied about many things to deceive his way into office. The cumulative effect this presidents lies and patently misleading positions is much more than many can stand. Apparently a minor offense to many and not so minor to others. GBO and other forums like this are one of the few venues available for us to share these type of issues and or frustrations. If you want me to spend my time on other issues concerning this unqualified, un-American, socialist, wealth redistribution, anti-Constitutional, BOR hating, Hate Whitey Church Theology attending liar of a muslim globalist, I’m already there as well…..

[powderman]

CABIN4. A very apt description of braaaaack hussein obama. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

Sorry, another dbl post, took a long time to post it. Please delete this one. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

And still no one bothers to check out the report from the Kenyan airport that his mother was refused a boarding pass because of her advanced state of pregnancy.
It was reported on the news at the time.
I don't know if it is true or not, but if it is, it sure would blow a big hole in the born in Hawaii story!



LONGTOM

Link the original news story.

[LONGTOM]

"Link the original news story."

Sir, if I could I would.
I stated I heard it on the news.
I also stated I didn't know if it was true or not.


As of this time this is the only mention of it I can put my hands on.
This is not where I heard it from.
I heard it from one of the major news shows on TV.
Is it the truth, I don't know.
I have not checked this guy out.


http://wisewhiteowl.blogspot.com/
Just below the birth certificate.



LONGTOM

[mcwoodduck]

On the otherhand---what if it is legit ??
You folks are like dogs howling at the moon.
Move on to a more substantive arguement like---competence.
Blessings

I agree. He's already in office so we'd all do much better trying to change things that we can change rather than chasing smoke.

Wait a minute!
Illegal is illegal.
If he was not eligble to be President then he should not be alllowed to be President
Rules and laws either mean something or they do not.
I understand the problems we are having.
Pot is illegal in the country and some cities and states have OK'd it. and now the local Police no longer enforce the law.
Working in the US with out eing a citizen or having a Work Permit Visa (green Card) is illegal and again some cities and states have come to the conclusion that those laws are not just and should not be enforced and are ignoring the law.
Being a society of laws we either have to follow all of the laws and rules or change them.  Ignoring some rules or laws because it is convienient is going to break our society. 
I find it strange that a city like San Fran openly says they are not going to follow some state, and federal laws but expects people to respect the parking laws on the streets.  I will try to fight the next parking ticket I get under that argument.  I will tell you what the food tastes like in the local lock up.

[SHOOTALL]

Newt was in office , Nixon was in office , many have been in office SO WHAT ? They are no more an American that the rest of us , well if the paper work is legal that is 

[mcwoodduck]

Newt was in office , Nixon was in office , many have been in office SO WHAT ? They are no more an American that the rest of us , well if the paper work is legal that is  

While Nixon, Newt or Ford may not have had a birth certificate, their grandmother has never said I was at his birth and I have never been to America.
Up until the king of Saudi Arabia offered to have His Grandmother go to Saudi Arabia on his Nickel as part of a pilgramage for Islam she had never left Kenya.  So if she was at his birth and she was in Kenya at the time, it only follows that he was born there.
Also Newt did not have to be a national born citizen to be speaker of the house.
There are some government jos that you can be forgien born.
Some say the rule was written in to shop Alexander Hamelton from being President as he was born in Bermuda.

[Spirithawk]

On the otherhand---what if it is legit ??
You folks are like dogs howling at the moon.
Move on to a more substantive arguement like---competence.
Blessings

I agree. He's already in office so we'd all do much better trying to change things that we can change rather than chasing smoke.

Wait a minute!
Illegal is illegal.
If he was not eligble to be President then he should not be alllowed to be President
Rules and laws either mean something or they do not.
I understand the problems we are having.
Pot is illegal in the country and some cities and states have OK'd it. and now the local Police no longer enforce the law.
Working in the US with out eing a citizen or having a Work Permit Visa (green Card) is illegal and again some cities and states have come to the conclusion that those laws are not just and should not be enforced and are ignoring the law.
Being a society of laws we either have to follow all of the laws and rules or change them.  Ignoring some rules or laws because it is convienient is going to break our society. 
I find it strange that a city like San Fran openly says they are not going to follow some state, and federal laws but expects people to respect the parking laws on the streets.  I will try to fight the next parking ticket I get under that argument.  I will tell you what the food tastes like in the local lock up.

If he's not a citizin I agree he should be kicked out of office and prosecuted. Butttt, I don't for one minute believe that it can be proven one way or another. Documents and paper trails are way to easy to falsify, particularly by someone with his position and money. Just too much he said she said and nothing truly verifiable.