thanks guys. went to the gun shop today and he had a stainless frame with the full cougar etching on it. i started to drool; and work a trade, and figured i better do my homework first. so i asked for the serial number so i could dig a bit. i thought, oh boy when i saw it started with an "a". thats ok, though; he also had a 410 21 inch barrel stainless that i picked up. :mrgreen: i think i got a deal. anyhow, thanks for prompt reply folks!!!