Can't Carry Locations

[Spirithawk]

Thought a topic like this might be useful. The Highway Patrols " Missouri Concealed Weapons Law" booklet lists the following places you can't carry with a CCW;

. Any Police, Sheriff, or Highway Patrol office or station without consent
. within 25 feet of any polling place on election day
. adult or juvenile jail or institition
. courthouse or facilities
. any meeting of a government body (except by a member with a concealed carry endorsement)
. bar without consent
. airport
. where prohibited by federal law
. schools
. child care facility (without consent of manager)
. riverboat gambling facility
. amusement parks
. any church or place of worship without permission of minister or person representing religious organazation
. any sports arena or stadium with seating of more than 5,000
. hospitals
. private or public property where posted

Possesion of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any of the above listed locations is not prohibited so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. Carrying a concealed firearm in any location specified above is not a criminal act. However, you can be denied access to the premises or may be removed from the premises for doing so. If a peace officer is called;
. upon first offense you can be cited and fined up to $100
. if within six months a second offense occurs you can be fined up to $200 and your concealed firearms endorsement can be suspended for a period of one year.
. if within one year of the first offense a third citation for a similar violation is issued, you may be fined up to $500 and your concealed carry endorsement revoked. If your concealed carry endorsement is revoked you are not eligible for the endorsement for a period of three years.

This all varies from one state to another so why not post your state's laws?

[av-doctor]

i would post them but,i can't find them. i live in PA, here county sheriffs issue CCWs so i tried talking to him but he just brushed me off, said  i'm too busy right now.  there are some forums that mention pa laws and i learned of a pamphlet that is too be given out with CCWs.  so i went to get a copy his secretary (very rude btw)  says we don't have any and were not getting anymore,its being rewritten and it doesn't matter anyway PA is an open carry state. What does that mean exactly?  i asked. you can carry anywhere as long as its not concealed she says. i say what about post office,court house,bank,restaurant,schools,stores,etc? she answers well not those places but anywhere else. i said whats left, inside my house? she says yeah thats ok as long as its not concealed.
  Any help would be appreciated

[Spirithawk]

i would post them but,i can't find them. i live in PA, here county sheriffs issue CCWs so i tried talking to him but he just brushed me off, said  i'm too busy right now.  there are some forums that mention pa laws and i learned of a pamphlet that is too be given out with CCWs.  so i went to get a copy his secretary (very rude btw)  says we don't have any and were not getting anymore,its being rewritten and it doesn't matter anyway PA is an open carry state. What does that mean exactly?  i asked. you can carry anywhere as long as its not concealed she says. i say what about post office,court house,bank,restaurant,schools,stores,etc? she answers well not those places but anywhere else. i said whats left, inside my house? she says yeah thats ok as long as its not concealed.
  Any help would be appreciated

There should be some info here to help you out. Hope this helps;

http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/1456-places-we-cant-conceal-carry-pa.html

[SHOOTALL]

SH the one about a court , would that be local/ state ? Fed court will check your weapon as you enter , at least it was that way . Asking since it has been a couple years.

[Spirithawk]

SH the one about a court , would that be local/ state ? Fed court will check your weapon as you enter , at least it was that way . Asking since it has been a couple years.

Hmmmm??? Good question bud. I really can't say but will sure try to find out. I'm guessing any court though.

[av-doctor]

as for me i was talking my local court house it also houses most of our local govt offices,they have guards posted at the door that check your pockets well have you empty your pockets and pass through a metal detector i don't know if they would check handguns or not.i can't see anywhere that they could secure them so i might have to look into that.

spirit,  as far as PAFOA  its still just random posters granted some bring law references but mostly personal opinions. i was looking for it written in black and white from a govt official

[SHOOTALL]

Have you checked with the DA's or CA's office ? in many states they have a site with the info you want listed.
SH here the courts are in different buildings and are very independent of each other . The building the fed court is in is considered fed property , same for state and then the local courts .

[1sourdough]

  Did you try  handgunlaw.us    They usually have some info.

[Mohawk]

Just be careful interpreting the law on your own. Many will contradict and even different attorneys will have different interpretations. Where is one of the very few places a TX cop can not carry there weapon(unless it has changed recently)? When they are working OFF DUTY at a licensed racetrack!  There was a loophole and the  verbage was upheld that was on the books. Silly, I know. My opinion, if you are in doubt.... Don't do it. It aint worth the time or money. And God forbid somthing happen find solid cover and wait it out. In my old job years ago I could carry my duty weapon escorting billionaires, sorority houses, banks found unlocked at night, and provide a in-state escort for a salesman toting $4 Million in jewelry. But....... I still could not carry it into a gas station to get coffee if they sold beer. Just be careful.

[spruce]

Sad to say, but true - if you're a law-abiding, upstanding citizen the government imposes strict limitations on where/when you can carry.
BUT criminals can (and will) carry wherever/whenever they please.

Our lawmakers, and judges, just don't seem to get it - if someone is going to take a gun into a court, school, etc with the intention of committing murder then he sure won't be worried about or deterred by a possible $200 or $500 fine.

The only people affected by these laws to restrict are people, who by their very nature, are not a threat to society.

[trotterlg]

For Missouri it appears like a traffic ticket, and then only if someone calls the cops on you.  If no one sees you they will never know, and the worst thing that can happen to you is they will charge you $100.00 for getting caught.  Sounds like a no brainner to me, just carry where you want and then take care for a year if you are busted.  Seems like the state is just telling you to do what you want and not to get caught.  Larry

[williamlayton]

Well, I am not suggesting that any follow my style, but-----At the Medical Center, here in Houston, there is some inexpensive parking a bout 1/2 mile from Hermann, MD Anderson and others.
I choose to park here as indoor parking is expensive.
I load up and carry what I want--don't ask/don't tell. Been doing it this way for 40 years.
Blessings

[knight0334]

as for me i was talking my local court house it also houses most of our local govt offices,they have guards posted at the door that check your pockets well have you empty your pockets and pass through a metal detector i don't know if they would check handguns or not.i can't see anywhere that they could secure them so i might have to look into that.

spirit,  as far as PAFOA  its still just random posters granted some bring law references but mostly personal opinions. i was looking for it written in black and white from a govt official

Try this thread at PAFOA.   It details all of PA's off-limits places and the laws or regulations.

http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/7582-read-first-where-you-can-cannot-carry-weapons-state-pennsylvania.html

[Noreaster]

Strange rules. Some are left up to interpretation by LEO. In MASS some Court houses won't allow uniformed officers on duty to carry??? NJ your limited to ten rounds and under and no hollow point??? The list goes on and on. One fact remains the same; criminals concealing a weapon are already breaking the law and don't care about these other minor infractions, but lawfull citizens can loose everything!

[Empty Quiver]

Seems in Mn. it boils down to schools and US gov't facilities. Schools are pretty broadly defined, for instance the high school basketball tournament is considered a school. Court houses are OK if you go through hoops as is the state capital if the hoops are addressed. Parking lots are all good unless you are an employee, in which case you have no rights. You can lose your job if you assume the right to self defense with a handgun. I can well imagine the number of senseless killings these signs have prevented. I'm curious as to which one of our companies HR folks is going to tell the deranged employee to get himself and his icky gun off the property?

Private property owners are allowed to post signage to bar entry. Ignore the sign means they must ask you to leave if you don't the po po gives you a fine roughly $50. Sign must be of certain dimensions and Font and all sorts of legal things. These are all promoted as loop holes of one sort or another. If a business is honest enough to tell me they don't want my patronage then I try to accomadate their wishes.

What it boils down to for me is this. Conceal always, never tell anyone ever. I don't carry at work and rarely if ever have any reason to enter gov't buildings, if I do I'll leave the gat behind. I do not have unlimited RAM in my head so use a less specific way of dealing with the vageries of carry laws.

[knight0334]

Strange rules. Some are left up to interpretation by LEO. In MASS some Court houses won't allow uniformed officers on duty to carry??? NJ your limited to ten rounds and under and no hollow point??? The list goes on and on. One fact remains the same; criminals concealing a weapon are already breaking the law and don't care about these other minor infractions, but lawfull citizens can loose everything!

NJ is limited to 15 rounds.  Hollow points are legal on your property, at the range, and for hunting only.  If you're one of the lucky few to get a NJ carry permit you cannot carry HP's.

[Bubber]

There is a list of them for Oregon, mostly goverment(City, county, state, and federal offices) post office, private businesses where posted, ect.

I work at a small business, only 8 employees total, and it is a very informal setting, but a lot of money changes hands over the course of a day. I am pretty sure the owner would not approve of me carrying, however he has never said anything regarding the issue and I see no reason to bring it up. I just use my head and go about my business.

[Mohawk]

Just be careful....... Mohawk checking in from Flagstsff, AZ. beautiful place.

[Noreaster]

Hey Knight0334 thanks for the clarification on mag capacity. I'm a LEO and instructor for my dept. The State just gave  us a recert class and part of if was H.R. 218 update, (carrying on your badge in the US.) They taught us no HP and limited to ten rounds in NJ. It's pretty bad when the cops don't even know the law. CCW should be just like a driver's license, recognized in all States! Here's another strange law. In MA Glock is a banned/unsafe firearm, you can't buy a new one. Most PDs carry them but but they are banned for private purchase. An officer can't purchase one for off duty unless the Chief signs off on it.

[SHOOTALL]

Glocks are dangerous  would they be worth having if they were not ? It would be like a saw with no teeth .

[mrloring]

as for me i was talking my local court house it also houses most of our local govt offices,they have guards posted at the door that check your pockets well have you empty your pockets and pass through a metal detector i don't know if they would check handguns or not.i can't see anywhere that they could secure them so i might have to look into that.

I also live in Pennsylvania.  The guards are actually sheriff deputies and at my courthouse they will check your firearm.  I was told to inform them BEFORE going through the metal detector.  My local courthouse has small lockers at the guard station.

[av-doctor]

mine just has a table with a couple plastic bins to empty pockets into,no lockers so i'm not sure where they would secure them.i need to go there soon to renew my ccw so i'll ask some questions to the new sheriff.

[Brett]

Reminds me of back when I was in grade school and someone would ask the teacher "Can I go to the bathroom?"  Her response of coerce was always "I don't know... can you?"   Getting back to the original subject the only places you can't carry are places where you will be searched of sent threw a metal detector.   Now there are lots of places where you may not carry legally.   

[cbourbeau32]

I can well imagine the number of senseless killings these signs have prevented. I'm curious as to which one of our companies HR folks is going to tell the deranged employee to get himself and his icky gun off the property?

You know that the bad buys allways heed these signs.  They are to keep the good guys from having an advantage. Not!!! Kind of ticks me off. My work has a "no gun on the premisis" policy. Thankfully Oklahoma addressed this and our law stood up in the courts. We CAN keep the weapon in our vehicle on company property.

[SHOOTALL]

If GUN FREE zones worked then it would stand to reason that if we all wore a sign that said BULLET FREE ZONE on our body no one would be shot !