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Before..poof...its gone!.... Social Security is to be privatized (which means any thing can happen after you sign the 'risk' disclaimer on investments). You might want to scream at your Congressmen and mass media outlets before the tax 'shift' is permanent and one of the world's best social security insurance/annuity programs ever devised is fed to the wolves...

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URGENT - Stop The Plot To
Destroy Social Security NOW
By Michael Collins
12-12-10
 
On Monday, December 13, the US Senate will vote on a bill that represents the destruction of Social Security. The measure reduces the employee payroll tax by 33% (from 6.2 to 4.2%). Social Security is in good shape right now but this reduction will starve the Trust Fund and give the excuse to say - "Look, it's broke. We have to privatize it."
 
Save Social Security - call or write your US Senators and tell them to vote no on reducing funding for Social Security - period. No compromises at all.
 
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WASHINGTON, DC -- Bill Clinton showed up at the White House for an "impromptu" press conference to discuss the president's tax compromise with the Republicans. Clinton disclosed that "I make a lot of money now" and, as a result, he would benefit from the program. Then he endorsed the compromise calling it the best deal Obama could make. Clinton was particularly high on the Social Security payroll tax reduction. "According to all economic analysis, [this is] the single most effective tax cut you can do to support economic activity. This will actually create a fair number of jobs. I expect it to lower the unemployment rate and keep us going." (Image)
 
Across town, United States Senator Bernie Sanders was telling the simple truth that Obama and Clinton avoided. Reducing the Social Security payroll tax from 6.2% to 4.2% as a one year tax holiday presumes that the normal rates will be restored at the end of the one year period. Who would restore those rates? The very same party that passed the Bush ten year "temporary" income tax reductions. That same party, the Republicans, now claims that ending the Bush temporary tax cuts represents the greatest tax increase ever. Just as they forgot that those tax cuts were temporary, the new Republican majority will forget the payroll cuts were temporary. Senators Bob Corker (R-TN) and Mike Johanns (R-NE) agree that ending the tax holiday will be portrayed as a tax increase.
 
Social Security has a dagger at its heart. In 2011, we will have a president who won't even fight for Social Security when he has a majority in Congress and a House of Representatives with a veto proof majority that won't repeal any tax cut until Hell freezes over.
 
The citizens of this country have been betrayed by the smoothest con artists around for the benefit of the ultra rich, with the ultimate demise of Social Security assured by a rock solid majority of Republican extremists waiting in the wings to occupy the 112th Congress.
 
Where's the opposition?
 
The nation's largest organization for seniors, AARP, endorsed the Obama payroll tax cuts. The organization did this despite the fact that the Obama compromise offers little in the way of benefits for seniors.
 
The allegedly liberal publication, Mother Jones, just ran a piece by Obama apologist Kevin Drum claiming that there's every reason to believe that the payroll tax holiday will be over in just one year promised in this deal. It's another example of tortured logic listing Republican avarice and concluding they'll honor their word.
 
The self styled advocates for a FDR revival, New Deal 2.0, ran two opinion pieces supporting the Obama deal. One argued it was that the president "probably did the best he could" while the other actually praised the deal claiming that this was the "best deal" that Obama could get. A third piece noted that Obama didn't know much about FDR's Social Security proposal but left the president untouched on the Trojan Horse payroll tax reduction. What would FDR do? Capitulate and equivocate. Hardly.
 
The largest organization representing seniors, 40 million strong, just caved. They and the president got some cover by two organizations that advertise as being of the left who also caved.
 
That leaves Senator Sanders, those who will support him for real filibuster, focused advocates for the program, and citizens of the United States. The House Democratic Caucus rejected Obama's proposal to some fanfare. But their objections were on how the bill was rolled out and specifics like a $5 million threshold for any estate tax.
 
Addictions 101
 
Two key features of the bipartisan political establishment are an addiction to stealing money from the people for their patrons, the corporate and ultra rich elite, and total denial that taking the peoples' money to satisfy this relentless craving is both harmful and morally unacceptable.
 
The Money Party is at the peak of its craving for more money earned their old fashioned way, through expropriation from the masses. They will not be denied. They are Hell bent on making their once false prophesies that Social Security is bankrupt into a living reality.
 
We are nothing to them.
 
First published at the The Agonist 

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Thanks for the heads up. Why is it the dems are the ones to do the most damage to the SS system and then campaign that it was the R's fault  and they (D's) only want to fix it ?  I would be quite happy if the SS admin. would just give me ALL of the money I paid in with interest of what I would collect in my savings acct. Then I could be done with them.

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I'll be writing letters later tonight. We should be sure of one thing though, if/once the switch is made it will be gone. The bank bailouts was nothing but a collective (successful)attempt at extorting a nation. Seems a deal has been made to get them the rest. >:(  Let them eat cake.  >:(

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I say privatize it.  Give us the choice to invest that money ourselves whether it be in Government bonds, bank CD,  money market account, gold or whatever.   Chances are if you had invested all the money the government stole from you via social security taxes you would be a wealthy person right now.
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The Stock market is a private run casino.

The government should put the ss it in a compound interest bearing account with a guaranteed minimum return, (rather than invest the money in "promises" based on a bright, glowing, growing  and prosperous "future".)

Require the "privately owned" Federal Reserve Banks to service the deposits and earnings. Hangings for impropriety.

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I don't have a problem with privatization. If the gooberment goes that route, I want the money i paid in with fair interest thats all. I also do not want the gooberment investing it for me, I want the option of being able to put it into my 401K I have now.

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Brett has a good point. All the money ever collected from taxpayers for SS went to the general fund of the government. Not one red cent was set aside to pay SS. Now congress acts like it the taxpayers fault for relying on SS. The SS "Trust Fund" has no actual money in it. SS is paying benefits with new money comming in. You know, like Madoff did. The worlds biggest Ponzi trap.
AARP is owned by the insurance industry, what did you expect there?
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I hope they get rid of it. I have done great with my 401k and if I could have invested all my SSI into my retirment myself I'd be retired already.
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The fed is takeing our, PAYCHECK EARNERS, money for SS, They should be accountable for it for the past, present and future. They already took the money.

They never said a bailout for the banks would be available,, to cover doing business in a bad way, but they sure saved the COORPORATIONS AND BANKS AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE. Why shouldn't they be accountable for something they required and collected for.

We need to bring back public hangings.

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I say privatize it.  Give us the choice to invest that money ourselves whether it be in Government bonds, bank CD,  money market account, gold or whatever.   Chances are if you had invested all the money the government stole from you via social security taxes you would be a wealthy person right now.  You might want to purchase disability insurance on your families behalf.....please report back what the rates are that you found to equal or exceed SS coverage.
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You already can privately invest.  Find a broker or brokerage house and send them a check to place your bets in the casino. Read the risk disclaimer statement and good luck.  Meanwhile, if you get disabled or unable to work sign a statement that you opted out of SS and you and family are on your own. Perhaps, contact Billie for investment advice.. :D


Right now I think my payback from the annuity portion of SS is about 5 or 6 years..the rest is profit if I live long enough....could amount to a sizable return on investment in the end.  Bad thing is if a spouse dies you loose that portion of the investment (or get the largest)....sort of how annuities work anyway.

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Privately invest what TM7?  The Fed already took my money in the form of SS tax.   If I had all of that money back I could have put it in a bank CD and at least be guaranteed I would get something.  Right now I don't see any guarantees.   Do the math yourself.  If you put what the Fed took out of your every pay check you ever made and put it in a CD earning compounding interest how much money would you have today?
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There is no SS trust fund, and has not been for many years.  It exhists merely as a line on a balance sheet.  The money has long been spent.  SS exhists today on the contributions of those who still work, and even that is not enough. 

I am just a few years away, and have never believed, nor do I believe now that it will be there for me.

I also don't believe they can tax enough, rich or poor or both, to continue to finance the debt.

I believe it is already too late.  SS will be the least of our worries.

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Only old TM would post over and over about how the government is all part of a corupt zioilluminbilderneoconchupacabra conspiracy. Then he says he trusts the goverment to take care of his retirement fund. This must be TM #1 posting on this thread.

So TM in your comedy routine does TM #2 sit on your leg like the ventriloquist dummy Achmed the dead terrorist? You are a comedy genious TM combining the comedy styling of Jeff Dunham, with a catch phrase like Larry the cable guys "git er done". TM you are going to kill at the BBQ.  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

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So, what you are saying is, if we continue SS as is, in 27 years I'll be able to draw full benefits and they will be better than anything I could do if I were investing MY MONEY on MY OWN?  I think that is about as likely as Michelle giving BHO his testicles back!  :o
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If history plays it's self out and it usually does, there is still to come a major market crash and depression and return to real value of property.

The crash comes because the market spikes on explosive stock prices, some factor gets scared, bank deposits, profit takeing etc and it trips a panic button. The falling market will have reached a level that no outside force will catch it's fall. The only entity with the ability is the fed with another bail out. It should take marshal law to get that done again.

 If there is another bailout you can bet the history of this country is in a total transition because the market will fall from closer to $20,000 than $10,000 average

The reason that I feel it will happen again is because the market is still based on growth. It is designed to grow. That, the stock market, is what Washington considers our economy to be. Grow stock prices is what the market gurus live for. There is nothing in place to control or stop the growth.

What will you invest in to avoid that scenario of the crash? It's history repeating it's self.
Hang on for the ride, it is yet to come, or we will have a different type of government in place if it doesn't happen, one or the other.

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TM it's simple, buy low sell high. No conspiracy there.

So does TM #2 sit on your knee like Achmed the dead terrorist during your comedy routine?
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