The Auschwitz album. Can't happen here??????

[billy_56081]

Shaggy you have to take into consideration that no matter what the information provided. The TM's will view it from thier preconceived postion of antisemetic hatred. While normal people start out with an even view of events and look into the factors involved and come up with a sum. Someone who is filled with a preconcieved hatred like we have here will take thier preconcieved sum and cypher it back the make thier arguments seem rational to themselves.

[-Shaggy-]

I am finished with this topic now. If you want to believe in the "official" death toll numbers from the Red Cross, even after they themselves have admitted they didn't even try to keep accurate tallies of the deaths because they were more interested in helping the living than in counting the dead, you go right ahead. You have your agenda, and many others of your ilk support your beliefs, so I realize there is no possible way I can convince you otherwise. Useless to try. I knew that going in, but others reading this thread may realize that the Red Cross numbers are a myth, and that may be of some benifit to them.

BTW, you often say the truth fears no investigation; I wonder, does the truth fear being ignored?

[billy_56081]

Shaggy I think you like every one else has caught on.

TM you obviously do not understan Ohms law at all. Wattage is the multiplication of volts times amps. You 9 volt to higher voltages most in the 50,000 volt range is gotten to by using an inductor and storing it in a capacitor. BTW upping voltage is fairly simple, you cannot up wattage though. To put it in a simple term voltage is the speed ofwater through a pipe, amperage is the volume.

[ironglow]

TM;
   Once again, you are a hoot !  As I have already said several times, Auschwitz was as we have been told...I have talked with people who were there, people, many of whom have a reputation of livbing decades of an honest life.  People who lived, slept, suffered and starved there..now you bring along some twerp who may not have even been alive when Auschwitz was operating, say nothing about having been held prisoner there and been an eyewitness.
   You expect us to listen to some malcontent bent on calling those who suffered..LIARS..take him and stuff him !
   The fact that he is Jewish means nothing....How many born-in -America traitors, liars and turncoats have we seen....starting with Benedict Arnold ?  
     How about "Jihad Johnnie" from California...what a piece of work !!

    BTW:  Your witness David Cole;
   Never spent a day in the functioning Auschwitz concentration camp  and made the video youi produced in 1992...   Guess he got off his drugs later on ..and admitted he was wrong, apologizing to the Jewish Defense league...

  http://www.geniebusters.org/915/04h_Cole.html

[billy_56081]

IG once again we have a case of the TM's only posting information that supports thier preconcieved agenda. I would gather this is SOP for hate groups.

[SwampThing762]

IG,

The three TMs should start a comedy troupe; however, they really should get a new shtick...this anti-semitic line is starting to resemble a dead horse.    I think you and all the others are correct using the historically accepted total of 6 million dead Jewish victims.   I salute you for standing with the rest of us in defense of the truth.   Happy New Year, my friend.

ST762

[powderman]

tm #1. I cannot understand why any SANE person would attempt to minimalize the slaughter of Jews during the holocaust. Uhhhhhhh, hmmmmmm, errrrr, I think I just answered my own question. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

Why would anti-gentiles, and self-hating gentiles put the premier event in history, The Crucifixion of Christ, in the back seat to be replaced by holocaustianity..? while proclaiming themselves to be exalted Christians? (I believe there is a special place in hell for this kind of hypocrit)



tm #2. What an ignorant statement, even for you. Nothing in this thread has anything to do with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Like I said, no sane person would try to minimalize the suffering of the Jews during those times, key word being SANE. The truth about your hatred for Gods people is staring you in the face, and you will face the REAL God one day, you can say, OOOOOOPPPPPPSSSSS, shoulda listened to IG, PW, and a host of others. Ya reckon he'll say, awwwwww, thats ok tm #1, #2, #3, I never likeed them ol Jews anyway, come on in. I doubt it, wouldn't want to be any of the tms on that day. Ya can't say you weren't told.  POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

In essence this is the handicraft of the Beast.



tm. The cult you support is the expert on that. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  Anti-gentiles, self-hating...  Those are all liberal/progressive positions..It is the libbies who hate the USA..are always complaining about how tis chiefly gentile nation is always mistreating one group or another  TM; you are really getting rich !
    To suggest that we are overlooking many millions of other deaths including Christians in WW2 is pure hokum...but nobody is trying to deny that those millions died as some ill informed are trying to do with the holocaust.
   Then when you accuse some of us who consider Jesus Christ the most important figure in history, who on the cross paid the price for the all-time greatest gift given to mankind...you are really flailing..  
     BTW..correction..The crucifixion is important, but not the "premier" event..the premier event is the resurrection..which I focus upon.
    
    Since you have questioned our faithfulness to Jesus Christ, I feel assured that I can speak for Pman, Swampthing and Billy when I say we believe that Jesus Christ is not only the Son of God...but also God the Son..
  
    Now that you doubt us, I return the compliment.  In your next post..please refer to Jesus as "the Son of God and God the Son"  
   If you don't I will keep asking you just who you believe Jesus is ..   The glove is on the ground before you !!

[powderman]

The crucifixion is important, but not the "premier" event..the premier event is the resurrection..which I focus upon.
   



IRONGLOW. Good post and the above is true. Cut the tms a bit of slack though, muslims don't believe that. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

TM the reason we ignore your "scientific investigations" as you call them is because they like yourself start with a preconceived result and work backwards from there. All the lies and garbage you spew here can be read on nazi, klan and skinhead web sights.  No matter what the subject you TM's come back to blaming the Jews for it. You TM's have become so far out, most look upon you as a caricature of antisemitism throughout human history.   

The refreshing thing is that so few here agree with your hate mongering.

[ironglow]

TM;
  In your post 3 162 you say I had never before page 6 mentioned that anybody but Jews suffered in the holocaust...really, you must start reading before you criticize.  In my post # 66 I cited some of my first-hand witnesses who were confined in Auschwitz..they were Polish/Ukranian..  In fact, in that same post I explained that the concentration camps were filled wityh nationalities from all over Europe.

  Just FYI...Claiming the resurrection to be the premier event..and the most important event in all history..is not simply 'quibbling' by us..it is a blood-bought fact.  The blood which bought it was God's blood.

  Again TM; ...Just WHO do you say, IS Jesus Christ ?

  

[bigMikeA]

IG,

The three TMs should start a comedy troupe; however, they really should get a new shtick...this anti-semitic line is starting to resemble a dead horse.    I think you and all the others are correct using the historically accepted total of 6 million dead Jewish victims.   I salute you for standing with the rest of us in defense of the truth.   Happy New Year, my friend.

ST762

well said SwampThing;  please allow me to second your thoughts.  Thanks IG for all your posts here.

TM....  you leave me speechless.  There's a whole lot I'd really like to say but why waste  the effort and I really don't want to get thrown outa here.

[1marty]

I had a "friend" who argued and argued that only 4 million jews were killed not 6 million. I asked him let's say he was correct and 4 million were killed would this somehow lessen the crime? Lessen the horror that took place?
I realized that my "friend" was just defending his antisemitic beliefs and the hatred of the jews which were past on from generations to generations in his family.

[powderman]

1MARTY. Sounds real familiar. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. It seems there has been a recount. Somebody has now gone back in time and dug up all the graves, counted bones, maybe how many times the ovens were loaded or counted the many open air burn piles and figured out how many bodies could be burned at once. If what all the tms say is true, which it never is, I wouldn't feel even a little bit better knowing that ONLY 4 million human beings were slaughtered like animals. He, or she, or they, seem infatuated trying to minimize the slaughter of over 6 million human beings. Wonder why?? Actually, Crusty posted several links that pretty well shot the tms down. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

tm #1. Crustys links actually made more sense than anything you have posted. You keep bringing up the crucifixing of Jesus, which of course has nothing to do with this thread and next I suppose you will be denying that. For you to keep minimizing the attrocities against the Jews during that period simply amazes me. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

I sure gotta give you TM's credit. You post some false information. Someone refutes it you just go on posting more. Well you are persistent.

I guess old Adolf Hitler had his setbacks too, but he kept spewing his hatred and look where it got him.

[ironglow]

  TM;
   Your suggestion that the Polish/Ukraine couple may have been Jewish (they weren't) still doesn't get it..in my post #66, I clearly stated that all nationalities from Europe found themselves in the concentration camps.
   I never endorsed or denied the 6,000,000 figure and if the figure is actually closer to 4,000,000 ...am I supposed to feel more comfortable with that ? When the murder figures reach those astronomical totals...debating a couple million one way or the other, is a moot point.
   One person murdered simply because of their race, nationality or religion is one too many...say nothing abot 1,000, 1000,000 , 1,000,000 or your own minimal figure of 4,000,000.
  I think we have worn this subject out !

[powderman]

and I should add, a promotion of legal fraud against God........TM7




Thats ok, you've stated many times that your god is not our God. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

As usual, none of that has anything to do with Auschwitz, and I'm positive that Jesus Christ was not crucified there. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Yes there were alot of folks killed in WW2, some in combat, some in bombing raids. What our resident group of holocost deniers can't understand is that onecertain group was rounded up and EXECUTED by the MILLIONS. The reason we were bombing and killing the German people was to break their ability and will to fight a war. Anyone so stupid as to think wars are won on the battle front is an idiot. Killing the folks making the rations and munitions and destroying the factories will bring an end to awar much faster than killing the soldiers. No reason what so ever to feel bad for the casualties of war on the enemy side, I sure don't, in fact I enjoyed it. Keep posting your lies, no one believes you anymore.

[billy_56081]

Here we go again refuting a lie.

major rail transportation and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the Nazi war effort.[3] Against this, several researchers have argued that not all of the communications infrastructure, such as the bridges, were in fact targeted, nor were the extensive industrial areas outside the city centre.[4] It has been argued that Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, a "Florence on the Elbe," as it was known, and the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and not proportionate to the commensurate military gains.[5][6]

110 factories and 50,000 workers, little if any huh?

[scootrd]

For those of you who are comparing the Jewish, Chinese, Native American, and other murders, exterminations and genocides; NONE lasted as long as the genocide of the Native Americans.  NONE were even close.  The Native American enslavement and extermination went on for at least 400 years.  I would bet no other genocide, extermination (call it as you will) could come close to the numbers of lives taken either.

Not to take away from your point , but to also mention It amazes me when anyone brings up the subject of Genocide we all forget the atrocities of Pol Pot and the Khmer rouge from '75-79  they murdered approx 2.5 million ... And the world just stood by and let it happen. Other genocides the world has tried to forget, yet most only mention Germany in conjunction with these atrocities, not that one is worse than another they are all bad but lets not also forget the following:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)   49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)   23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945)   12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908) 8,000,000
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)   5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20)   1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)   1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)   1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)   1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)   1,000,000

[billy_56081]

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They firebombed the city and melted it 3 months before the end of the war, not the surrounding strategic targets...what more do you need to know.? Kurt Vonnegut has spoken on this atrocity many times...read 'Slaughterhouse Five',,for example.

OH I get it, so they all knew the war was going to end in 3 months! WOW! I guess I must be so ignorant that I did not know that the ending date was set for the war in Europe prior to the formal surrender.

Hey how about this, do ya think that that might have had an effect on ending the war? 

[billy_56081]

Thanks for the supporting information. "Almost 200 factories were damaged, 136 seriously damaged" I have to say 250,000 killed, great job air force, I bet not one of those killed there was shooting at our soldiers after that. I would have been proud to have been the designer of that raid and known I did so good of a job. Hey I bet you guys didn't know that we didn't have smart bombs back then so there was a bit of slop when bombing in WW2. War is hell! Heck I didn't even have to refute your claims, you did it to yourselves. 

[powderman]

Babylon the Great, Israel, will corrupt and derange the world (including an apostate church) in the last days. It says all nations will have drunk of the wine of her spiritual fornication; “therefore the nations are mad.” (Jeremiah 51:7)



Another intentional falsehood and attempt to deceive. Babylon was the capitol of babylonia as you well know, which is modern day iraq, not Israel.
You  are so quick to misquote our Christian Bible take a look at Revelations ch 22, verses 18 and 19, see what it says about intentionally changing Gods Holy word. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

You intentionally use altered Bible  quotes to mislead folks, your reasons are obvious to all. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

Once again you TMs do not quite comprehend what data you all provide because of your forgone hatred of the Jews.  "Almost 200 factories were damaged, 136 seriously damaged", this is a direct quote from you guys. Doesn't appear this was targeting of civilian areas. And to tell you the truth I really don't care about the Geneva accords. Did we even sign them?