don't ask don't tell

[nomosendero]

Team Nelson is doing the right thing as long as he always calls sin a sin & can tell the homosexual their error, as in any other wrongdoing. If he compromises that, then he is doing the wrong thing.

I believe he will do the right thiing.

[yellowtail3]

  But Yellowtail;
       You should not have quoted me when you spoke of murder..I advocated against such a thing ! ....But do you not agree, individuals deeply involved in this perversion and still denying that they sin, may be committing spiritual suicide ?

I don't know; if sin is the issue, I suppose one could say that people commit spiritual suicide daily. But then, those who think that might also think that children are born to go to hell, unless they get it just right.

All that is far from the new legislation the President signed, which will simply recognize the rights of people in the military who are homosexuals. The bigots and fans of exterminatin' people they don't like will have to learn to get along and be decent to their fellow troops, or they can get out.

[searlock]

They can put a hold on you and your mos and keep you as long a they want. As far as their being a new breed of soldier now that is crap and cheapens the service of those who have gone before. I don't think audy murphy's medal of honor is less than any received today. The only thing different in a servicemans life is technology. Team nelson I applaude your service and wish you the best.

[SHOOTALL]

They can put a hold on you and your mos and keep you as long a they want. As far as their being a new breed of soldier now that is crap and cheapens the service of those who have gone before. I don't think audy murphy's medal of honor is less than any received today. The only thing different in a servicemans life is technology. Team nelson I applaude your service and wish you the best.

+ 1

[williamlayton]

Shootall
I understand your point.
Realistically---we always have.
Another thing to think on----in private industry we do the same when we use a product.
I have other things that concern me more.
Blessings

[SHOOTALL]

I have said that all along God judges we are suppose to forgive , set an example by our actions and teach our children right , wrong and holyness. I just don't wish to pay for sin with my money .

[Tommyt]

This is just the beginning
THE I want my better half's Pension and Benny's
We are a Couple Don't Mistreat us
Mr and Mr Marine should be able to collect on each others
Disability just like the Law suits when a companion can't
perform because of a disability
Its all coming to a Base near you

Right Rossie

Don't ask don't admit why your releasing someone
Thats my Thought

Tommyt

[Strikenmike]

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.  My church teaches that it is a mortal sin to masturbate, to covet your wife, to have sex out of wedlock, to KILL another person, to rape a person, etc.  How much of this do you suppose goes on in our military, now and forever just as in civilian life.

As a Christian, we should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as you would for any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though most Christians believe he/she is in grave sin.  Therefore, you should show him the same dignity as anyone else with whom you come in contact. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially-acceptable opinion that is void of godliness.

The military will handle this just fine.  Homosexuals have defended this country for ever.  Point is, it is not for any of us to judge.  It is now the law of our country.  I suppose the same stupidity swirled when blacks, and Asians, and Jews and Catholics, and women were first allowed into the services.  All this hate makes my teeth hurt.  I am pretty sure that Jesus would not consider being so full of hate a virtue either.

[Tommyt]

Strikenmike
 You say they are sinners ,I agree, I also no I am a sinner,
but when a "Group" like these homo's get the right in our country, It is WRONG!
This country was Brought up on freedom of religion and Christian was the Main religion
with that alone, is one big reason Homosexuals should not be accepted as the Normal
No hate, Just No HO-MO

That's my Opinion and I'll hold too it.
I don't, won't, wish no Illness on anyone of them.
But! I don't think they should be accepted as a reg. Man or Woman

Tommyt

[nomosendero]

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.  My church teaches that it is a mortal sin to masturbate, to covet your wife, to have sex out of wedlock, to KILL another person, to rape a person, etc.  How much of this do you suppose goes on in our military, now and forever just as in civilian life.

I agree with all of that  & the second paragraph, all except the last sentence of the first paragraph, not sure what to think of that. I don't think a Rapist gets this new consideration or murderers either. I believe those are still delt with as crimes, which as of today still are.

Homosexuals have defended this country for ever

Don't know about that, but I do know what George Washington & many military leaders thought of homo's. Can you name military leaders & or hero's of this nation's early wars who were homos? Not what Lib textbooks say, but as a known fact.

Point is, it is not for any of us to judge

The most misinterpreted of all things in the Bible. "Judge Not", yea I wondered about that when in the same chapter it said "by their fruits ye shall know them", you can't do that without making a judgement call. Turns out that the word "judgement" was used in a different way than we do today in that context. It meant condemn. Tons of folks know that, but I did not years ago, just like "pitiful", the word "suffer" had uses we don't today & many others. Yes we can Judge/make judgement calls & we have to all the time.

[ironglow]

I have said that all along God judges we are suppose to forgive , set an example by our actions and teach our children right , wrong and holyness. I just don't wish to pay for sin with my money .

  Shootall;
      True forgiveness is important, but have you noticed...even God forgives only after repentance.  (repentance: turn directly about and forsake)


   Yellow t;
           Better get your theology right concerning children. Could be important !

[yellowtail3]

Yellow t;
           Better get your theology right concerning children. Could be important !

How is this: they're born, they grow up, and  go to hell unless they get it just right, according to some Christians. and they're in really deep trouble if they turn out to be homosexuals.

[Strikenmike]

We have about 39,000 members on this Forum.  Less than 1% of them have even bothered to review this post.  Well under 1/2% have been agitated enough to comment, and several of those were repeat offenders.

That is pretty much how our nation views this.  A big hullabaloo about very little.  Our military can handle this, and we will continue to have the most formidable fighting force in the world.  Let's move on.

This site is intended to discuss guns, and shooting things with four legs, or at least two legs and a couple wings; and Oh ya, fishing.  Most members understand that completely.

So, I am done with this.  Going back to plan my purchase of a new NEF 'yote-killer.

[ironglow]

Yellow t;
           Better get your theology right concerning children. Could be important !

How is this: they're born, they grow up, and  go to hell unless they get it just right, according to some Christians. and they're in really deep trouble if they turn out to be homosexuals.

  Yellow T;
  You're just like the Democrats and many of the Republicans..you "just don't get it" !  Likely it is not your fault though, many local churches really don't get into Bible studies in depth.  It takes a bit of getting out of the milk and into the meat, to do so.  No room here to delve into the exegesis of the subject, but here is a start, hope it helps:
 
http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/children-and-salvation/

  Strikenmike;
  This category  "Round the Ole pot bellied stove" is only one of many categories here on GBO and it was designed just for these type discussions.  The discussion of hunting, shooting, four-legged things etc are well represented in all those other headings, use them.  GBO is perhaps the most complete, most diverse and certainly the best, outdoor sports website on the net.

[nomosendero]

We have about 39,000 members on this Forum.  Less than 1% of them have even bothered to review this post.  Well under 1/2% have been agitated enough to comment, and several of those were repeat offenders.

That is pretty much how our nation views this.  A big hullabaloo about very little.  Our military can handle this, and we will continue to have the most formidable fighting force in the world.  Let's move on.

This site is intended to discuss guns, and shooting things with four legs, or at least two legs and a couple wings; and Oh ya, fishing.  Most members understand that completely.

So, I am done with this.  Going back to plan my purchase of a new NEF 'yote-killer.

In other words you don't know who these past homo leaders in our Military are, I thought so.

Actually this particular foum is not about hunting & fishing, it is a discussion forum.
Merry Christmas

[SHOOTALL]

I have said that all along God judges we are suppose to forgive , set an example by our actions and teach our children right , wrong and holyness. I just don't wish to pay for sin with my money .

  Shootall;
      True forgiveness is important, but have you noticed...even God forgives only after repentance.  (repentance: turn directly about and forsake)


   Yellow t;
           Better get your theology right concerning children. Could be important !

Yes and it is Gods domain to judge. We should forgive those who hurt us.

[beerbelly]

That is one problem I have always had with religion, that turn the other cheek deal! That is just BS!

[SHOOTALL]

Beerbelly , you needed to go to my sunday school class. my teacher said if a guy punched you turn the other cheek but keep and eye on him. If he tried to punch the other one then all bets are off. As a free nation

[magooch]

I don't think the majority of people have a problem with queers defending the country.  Living, showering and going potty with queers--that's a problem.

[SHOOTALL]

maybe so but I dare say any of us who use public bath or toilet rooms do. And no I don't like it either but its the way it is. I would assume those in the military have been dealing with it since armies were first organized . I guess we each have to be secure in our own sexuality , religion and desire to live in  a free country.

[magooch]

There's a big difference between speculating about the fact that there might be deviates using a public facility while you are, but now they are going to leave no doubt about it in the military.  I actually wonder what would be wrong with a queer who declared himself, or herself and then expected to be treated with indifference by the straights.  Not in my world.

[SHOOTALL]

I would ask - in who mind your's or theirs ?

[Tommyt]

magooch
 It just the beginning. They will soon need different quarters, so they could live without harassment.This will also open them to suing for mistreatment after they Openly admit being Gay.
 he first time the drill Sargent Say's YOU DAM QUEER THIS IS NO PANTIE PARTY I SAID PUSH UP DO 20 FAGOT
Now there you go He may have said that 100,000 times in the past, about hitting the floor for 20.
 Now he openly called an admitted Gay man a QUEER ,Fagot
Time for a court battle
I'm sure some one will challenge what a DI has called him or her
If its not broke, don't fix it

Tommyt

[ironglow]

I would ask - in who mind your's or theirs ?

    Shootall;
   As I have said time and again..life in the military is very different from civilian life...and the combat arms units, the less likely the troops are likely to accept it...and it will be a cold day when the elite troops...Special Forces, Rangers, Marine Spec Ops and the seals etc, welcome perverts with open arms.
     Your insistence that there will likely be no kick back, begs me to ask about your military experience.  What branch did or do you serve in and what type unit..combat arms or rear eschelon ?

[billy_56081]

I agree IG, being a combat arms veteran myself I cannot see them tolerating it.

My next question is, will that latrines and showers be open toboth male and female now? Being in combat arms we were an all male unit, but it would have been fun in the field showers.

[SHOOTALL]

When have I said there would be no kick back ? What I said was those who are now known homosexuals will not be allowed speical treatment. If they get out of line ever so slightly they can be delt with. Any unessary watching or commits would now be sexual harrasment on the homosexuals part . You must consider they will have a harder time now , the troops have been dealing with them all along .

[SHOOTALL]

I agree IG, being a combat arms veteran myself I cannot see them tolerating it.

My next question is, will that latrines and showers be open toboth male and female now? Being in combat arms we were an all male unit, but it would have been fun in the field showers.

Billy do they know who is in the shower now ?

[billy_56081]

Before slick Willies DADT, there were no open homo's in the army, if you were even slightly suspected in our unit you would be exluded and shunned.

[SHOOTALL]

Billy , do you think that will change ?

[ironglow]

  Shootall;
  You have not yet answered my question in post # 145...

  ...By not answering my question, I believe you have answered my question.  I'm assuming you never served in combat arms.. Correct ?

  I reiterate...the military is very different than civilian life..