Obama Administration: The Most Corrupt Ever.

[SwampThing762]

I direct these questions at Junior1942:

1.  Who was President when DJIA hit an ALLTIME HIGH, and what is his party affiliation?

2.  Who was President when the Community Reinvestment Act, which is part of the the origins of the subprime mortgage crisis, became law, and what is his party affiliation?

3.  Who was President when all of the 2009 bailouts of banks, unions, corporations were extended and magnified, and what is his party affiliation?

4.  Who was president when  over 3.1 trillion dollars was added to the national debt, proposed adding another 700 billion to the debt, and what is his party affiliation?

The answers to these questions will provide sufficient clarity on whom to assign blame and credit.   I already know the answers to these questions, so I will know if you speak any lies.

ST762

[SwampThing762]

Junior1942,

I'm waiting for your answers.

St762

[Junior1942]

I direct these questions at Junior1942:

1.  Who was President when DJIA hit an ALLTIME HIGH, and what is his party affiliation?

2.  Who was President when the Community Reinvestment Act, which is part of the the origins of the subprime mortgage crisis, became law, and what is his party affiliation?

3.  Who was President when all of the 2009 bailouts of banks, unions, corporations were extended and magnified, and what is his party affiliation?

4.  Who was president when  over 3.1 trillion dollars was added to the national debt, proposed adding another 700 billion to the debt, and what is his party affiliation?

The answers to these questions will provide sufficient clarity on whom to assign blame and credit.   I already know the answers to these questions, so I will know if you speak any lies.

ST762

Bush, Clinton, Obama, Obama.  Is that what you're looking for, Swampy?  Now answer why Obama had to do #3 and #4.  What president could have reversed #3 and didn't?  Also, what president left office and left the country on the verge of financial collapse?  What president's "regime change" philosophy killed and wounded 1,000s of American soldiers?  What president said the Constitution is just a "GD piece of paper?"  While you're at it, tell us what president made exponentially more Muslims hate us than hated us on 911?  After you answer all that, tell us what president is about to get the USA out of Iraq and Afghanistan?  Hint: he has more melanin in his skin than you do.

[teamnelson]

Junior, the President who will get us out of Iraq or Afghanistan will be the one after this one; that's a fact. The timeline in Afghanistan has been extended to 2014 by this current administration, and that's a soft target. And the withdrawal timeline in Iraq was executed precisely as planned under the Bush administration, up until the current administration decided to leave more troops in Iraq longer. I wear the uniform everyday - I know this first hand. Obama's policies have in fact lengthened our commitment, extended our combat rotation cycles, and then on the back end slashed support and family programs to turn around and go on a junket to India? Fund union retirement plans?

Tell you what, when he stops proposing new spending. When he instead proposes massive cuts in social spending, and demonstrates he can run the government on 2.1 trillion a year. When he demonstrates the same fiscal responsbility we require of a PFC with a security clearance, get back to me. At some point the president has to take responsibility for what happens on his watch, and stop blaming his predecessors.

[Junior1942]

....At some point the president has to take responsibility for what happens on his watch, and stop blaming his predecessors....

I don't believe the president is blaming his predecessors--I am.

[gypsyman]

Junior1942, sounds like you don't read or hear much of the news. Unless your listening to R.Madow, or Oberman 100% of the time. Even on Leno the other night, he made a joke about Obama still using Bush for an excuse. It's been almost 2 years now, time for him to man up and admit he's just made matters worse, not better. I think he's doing it on purpose, I believe he wants to tank the economy. He's had a socialist adgenda beat into him from the beginning. He's listening to the man behind the curtain, or has buddied up to weather underground terrorists. Plus, he's from Chicago, where the last honest man died in 1958, and voted twice in the 1960 election. gypsyman

[Junior1942]

..... Plus, he's from Chicago, where the last honest man died in 1958, and voted twice in the 1960 election. gypsyman

That's an outstanding line, gypsyman!!

[Cabin4]

What president brought us
1.Unconstitutional national health care system?
2.Fake $1trillion stimulus plan?
3.Continued corp & Wall Street Bail outs?
4.FORCED other private sector companies to take bail out money that those companies did not what so the Fed could institute a forced takeover?
5. $1 trillion dollar annual budget deficit?
6.$13 trillion dollar national debt?
7. Near 10% national unemployment rate and a near 20% jobless rate?

[Junior1942]

What president brought us
1.Unconstitutional national health care system?
2.Fake $1trillion stimulus plan?
3.Continued corp & Wall Street Bail outs?
4.FORCED other private sector companies to take bail out money that those companies did not what so the Fed could institute a forced takeover?
5. $1 trillion dollar annual budget deficit?
6.$13 trillion dollar national debt?
7. Near 10% national unemployment rate and a near 20% jobless rate?

That one's easy.  In a roundabout way,  Regan and Bush 1 & 2.

[Cabin4]

Junior,
You’re not fooling anyone except yourself. You can keep putting Obama on a pedestal all you want. The guy is a disaster on any balanced scale. Your answer was not at all clever, just par for the course like a good little liberal faced with trying to defend their horrible policies.

[SwampThing762]

Junior,

I am at work now, and only have access to Internet via phone.  When I return home and get some sleep, I will answer your questions.

ST762

[Junior1942]

Junior,
You’re not fooling anyone except yourself. You can keep putting Obama on a pedestal all you want. The guy is a disaster on any balanced scale. Your answer was not at all clever, just par for the course like a good little liberal faced with trying to defend their horrible policies.

I wasn't trying to be clever, just factual.  Conservative "horrible policies" got us where we were on Jan 20, 2009--almost in another Great Depression.  Thanks to Democrats, we're on our way out of the recession, as you'll discover if you'll read something other than right wing spin.

[Dixie Dude]

Conservative policies of Reagan gave us 25 years of growth.  That is a historical fact.  Clinton signed the "free trade agreements" which gutted our industry and created the "health care crisis".  The textile and shoe industry were the first to go.  Later other industries.  These industries provided health care to their employees.  Reagan said government isn't the solution, government is the problem.  Another question for Jr.  Why do most Billionaires support democrats?  George Soros, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffett all supported Obama and Clinton.  Why, because they know a socialist government will keep the masses down and they will always have theirs.  Wall Street is not the problem, the government is the problem.  Clinton strong armed the banks on Wall Street to give loans to people who didn't qualify, thus causing the bank colapses.  The Bush administration warned congress 5 times to do something or they were going to colapse.  Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd were in charge of the Banking committees in the house and senate.  They ignored the Bush administration warnings.  hmmm.  Oh, and they are democrats.  Face it Jr, Roosevelt is not the prez anymore.  Even he wouldn't start a welfare program, because he knew people would become lazy and dependent on the government for hand outs.  He started jobs programs.   

[Cabin4]

Junior,
You’re not fooling anyone except yourself. You can keep putting Obama on a pedestal all you want. The guy is a disaster on any balanced scale. Your answer was not at all clever, just par for the course like a good little liberal faced with trying to defend their horrible policies.

I wasn't trying to be clever, just factual.  Conservative "horrible policies" got us where we were on Jan 20, 2009--almost in another Great Depression.  Thanks to Democrats, we're on our way out of the recession, as you'll discover if you'll read something other than right wing spin.

As I said earlier, both parties are horrible. Your the one defending a party, not me. I'm simply pointing out the disasters of the political party your defending. If you tried defending the other, I'd list thier failures. Typical move of the left is the blame prior republican administrations and ignore thier own horrible historical policies. Using your logic, we can blame just about everything on LBJ and the great society policies.

[Junior1942]

..... Using your logic, we can blame just about everything on LBJ and the great society policies.

I thought the right wing blamed everything bad on Bill Clinton and a she-devil in a blue dress?

[dukkillr]

..... Using your logic, we can blame just about everything on LBJ and the great society policies.

I thought the right wing blamed everything bad on Bill Clinton and a she-devil in a blue dress?

I still blame some things on Franklin Roosevelt.  Over at the Civil War thread you aren't even allowed to post unless you blame Lincoln for everything.  Some wounds never heal, and some presidential decisions have an impact for decades to come.

[powderman]

The people on this site that are sticking up for the health care legislation and think they know what's in it, obviously have been screwd so many times they actually like it now.



junior. HEH, you beat the tms in giving me my morning laugh. What a crock. 
DIXIEDUDE. Good post. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

junior. Another thing, that she devil in the blue dress was a YOUNG intern who was  taken advantage of and used by a low life, adulterous, dirty old man. Bet you voted for him twice. After all, if ya can't trust the pres of the United States, who could you trust??? POWDERMAN.  

[Cabin4]

Lincoln was the start of the major decline in this country and he was a republican. He was the worst violator of the constitution.

I think you need to open your eyes Junior and see what’s really happening in this country. Pure political party partisanship is what got this country into the sad state it’s in. Your beloved Obama is one of the worst presidents ever. What he has implemented has further exacerbated the problems and he is willing to violate our constitution with little regard. He is in good company as a terrible president and people with your immature partisan view point is what’s pushing this country further over the edge.

[Junior1942]

Lincoln was the start of the major decline in this country and he was a republican. He was the worst violator of the constitution.

I think you need to open your eyes Junior and see what’s really happening in this country. Pure political party partisanship is what got this country into the sad state it’s in. Your beloved Obama is one of the worst presidents ever. What he has implemented has further exacerbated the problems and he is willing to violate our constitution with little regard. He is in good company as a terrible president and people with your immature partisan view point is what’s pushing this country further over the edge.

Good God almighty!  You call me "immature" and you're mad at Abraham Lincoln?

[jimster]

Thanks to Democrats, we're on our way out of the recession, as you'll discover if you'll read something other than right wing spin.

Thanks to the Dems, and reps...we had a huge recession...only government can cause such a thing in the first place. Economics 101....and due to the last couple of years the Dems managed to drag it out some I notice as well...
They did the opposite of what you should do durring a recession, that THEY caused. Complete dolts.

Lincoln was the start of the major decline in this country and he was a republican. He was the worst violator of the constitution.

Yep....he actually had to put the good ol constitution on hold for a while while he unleased military force on U.S. citizens.

I get a real boot out of people trying to stick up for the "party" deal....got to be blind as a bat to be attached to such things and believe in them.

Way I usually look at it is...The Dems are as bad as you can get, the opposite of everything you should do and proud of it...and the reps like to "hep" em out ...  None of them could run a business or a household using any of their math or policies.  

[buffermop]

Bring back the wig party

[Pat/Rick]

The whigs or the federalists might be a viable alternative indeed. (just not rich enough)

[SwampThing762]

Junior,

I will answer your questions very succintly.  Your boy Obama had a choice not to extend the bailouts, which has contributed to devaluation of the dollar and has extended the recession.   The 3.1 trillion dollars he has added to the debt, and not counting the extra 800 billion he wants to add on by raising debt ceiling to $14.3T, has also contributed to devaluation of the dollar.

Your boy Obama has DEMONSTRATED his disregard for the Constitution by putting his agenda through as regulation instead of legislation, beyond his healthcare law which has been gutted by an unconstitutional component, the individual mandate.  OOPS, guess he made a mistake!

As for Iraq and Afghanistan, your boy Obama has not gotten us out of Iraq.  The Iraqi PM has told the US government to leave, and your boy Obama had no input on that decision.  OOPS, can't take credit for that!

As for Afghanistan, he has not gotten us out, because we still have troops on the ground.  It will be at least 2014 before we have all troops home, and your boy may not be in the White House at that time.  Maybe you missed that ONN update.

BTW, you did answer the questions correctly, and I give you credit.  But I will add that the CRA was originally signed under Carter, and amended under Clinton.

ST762

[Cabin4]

Lincoln was the start of the major decline in this country and he was a republican. He was the worst violator of the constitution.

I think you need to open your eyes Junior and see what’s really happening in this country. Pure political party partisanship is what got this country into the sad state it’s in. Your beloved Obama is one of the worst presidents ever. What he has implemented has further exacerbated the problems and he is willing to violate our constitution with little regard. He is in good company as a terrible president and people with your immature partisan view point is what’s pushing this country further over the edge.

Good God almighty!  You call me "immature" and you're mad at Abraham Lincoln?

Judging from what you have written on this thread, yes its immature. I never said I was "mad" at him. Your words not mine. He is responsible for some of the most horrific acts against this country and our constitution. I guess he must be another one of your hero's next to Obama. I’m not surprised.

[nw_hunter]

Lincoln was the start of the major decline in this country and he was a republican. He was the worst violator of the constitution.

I think you need to open your eyes Junior and see what’s really happening in this country. Pure political party partisanship is what got this country into the sad state it’s in. Your beloved Obama is one of the worst presidents ever. What he has implemented has further exacerbated the problems and he is willing to violate our constitution with little regard. He is in good company as a terrible president and people with your immature partisan view point is what’s pushing this country further over the edge.

Good God almighty!  You call me "immature" and you're mad at Abraham Lincoln?

Judging from what you have written on this thread, yes its immature. I never said I was "mad" at him. Your words not mine. He is responsible for some of the most horrific acts against this country and our constitution. I guess he must be another one of your hero's next to Obama. I’m not surprised.

+1..........I don't think  C4 is mad at old ugly, just stating a fact!Lincoln was a  monster "IMO"

Read the Real Lincoln by Thomas D'Lorenzo.You won't find the drivel fed to us in the History Books.

Getting back to the O man! He is a sorry excuse as a President, as was the one before him, and "more than likely" The one that follows will be even worse. Actually he will just be extending the Murder of America led by the ones before him. Keep voting the lesser of................The Usurpers of our freedoms love it!

DAMN! I HATE PARTY POLITICS

[Spirithawk]

Polititions have always cared more about politics and their own agendas than the welfare of the people they are sworn to work for. Nothing new about that. It just seems that the new administration is way more blatant about it not caring what we think and seems to relish rubbing our noses in it.

[billy_56081]

Well said Spirithawk.

[teamnelson]

Anybody notice the 5 presidential appointments made during congressional recess just last night? With a majority in senate during this past congress, these must be real dogs if he didn't think he could've gotten congressional approval for them.

Hawaii Reporter just posted his vacation has cost the public $1.5 mil so far; final tally may pass $2 million.

[powderman]

TN. Only 2 mil? We got off cheap, he must have been scrimping. POWDERMAN.