Author Topic: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens  (Read 995 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Zulu

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2477
  • Honor is a gift a man gives himself.
    • Wood & Ironworks
The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« on: December 27, 2010, 09:12:56 AM »
Found a neat picture while looking something up.  The Monitors turret complete with two 11" Dahlgrens was raised from the sea floor a number of years back.  I have read elsewhere that the turret alone weighed 200,000 lbs.
Few of us can imagine being on the receiving end of one of these monsters.  They never penetrated the "Virginian".
The turret in the picture is upside down.  The gun carriages were removed previous to this picture.



The picture came from the Dakota State University web site
http://www.homepages.dsu.edu/jankej/civilwar/monitor.htm

Zulu
Zulu's website
www.jmelledge.com

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 09:36:19 AM »
WOW.

Nice patina on the guns.
Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline Artilleryman

  • Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1378
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 01:50:16 PM »


Online Library of Selected Images:
-- U.S. NAVY SHIPS --  DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER   http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-m/monitor.htm

Wonder what it sounded like inside the turret when it got hit?
Norm Gibson, 1st SC Vol., ACWSA

Offline GGaskill

  • Moderator
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5668
  • Gender: Male
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 01:59:16 PM »
Hard to believe it was worse than firing their own guns, other than not knowing exactly when it was going to occur.
GG
“If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart; if you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain.”
--Winston Churchill

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 02:11:23 PM »
...
Wonder what it sounded like inside the turret when it got hit?



When your eardrums meet in the middle you know it's loud!
Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline seacoastartillery

  • GBO Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2853
  • Gender: Male
    • seacoastartillery.com
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 03:58:30 PM »


Online Library of Selected Images:
-- U.S. NAVY SHIPS --  DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER   http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-m/monitor.htm

Wonder what it sounded like inside the turret when it got hit?

     I was reading the naval memoirs of Commander S.D. Greene the other day and since he was second in command on the Monitor during the Battle of Hampton Roads, he should know. 

     This is what he wrote:  "The fight continued with the exchange of broadsides as fast as the guns could be served and at very short range, the distance between the vessels being not more than a few yards.  Worden skillfully manoeuvered his quick-turning vessel, trying to find some vulnerable point in his adversary.  Once he made a dash at her stern, hoping to disable her screw, which he thinks he missed by not more than two feet.  Our shots ripped the iron of the Merrimac, while the reverberations of her shot against the tower caused anything but a pleasant sensation.  While Stodder, who was stationed at the machine which controlled the revolving motion of the turret, was incautiously leaning against the side of the tower, a large shot struck in the vicinity and disabled him."   From:  Blue and Grey at Sea edited by Brian Thomsen.

      That middle dent of the three by the gunport was a result of "Friendly Fire" and came from the Federal ship Minnesota which the Monitor was trying to protect from the CSS Virginia.  One of her 32 pounders struck Monitor between what are thought to be 9" Dahlgren shell hits from the Virginia.

Mike and Tracy
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

Offline KABAR2

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2830
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 04:23:23 AM »


It says something of the riveting of the turret plates one hit on either side of the seam and no failure,
a third hit and a rivet head is sheared off but the shaft still seems to be in place, if a forth shot had found
its way to the same area the remaining part of the rivet might have broken loose inside the turret making
life for those manning the guns a little more exciting........
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

Sed tamen sal petrae LURO VOPO CAN UTRIET sulphuris; et sic facies tonituum et coruscationem si scias artficium

Offline Artilleryman

  • Moderator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1378
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2010, 05:50:17 AM »
I read somewhere that some of the bolt heads holding the armor on the CSS Virginia were sheared off and the bolts were punched to the inside.  There was no mention of any injuries. 
Norm Gibson, 1st SC Vol., ACWSA

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2010, 10:18:17 AM »
... the remaining part of the rivet might have broken loose inside the turret making
life for those manning the guns a little more exciting....

I've heard first hand accounts of AP rounds bouncing around the inside of the tank (Sherman) and leaving much of the white paint (on the inside) on the floor.  (Said with a grin, IFFC.)
Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline KABAR2

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2830
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2010, 10:50:25 AM »
I read somewhere that some of the bolt heads holding the armor on the CSS Virginia were sheared off and the bolts were punched to the inside.  There was no mention of any injuries.  

The CSS Virginia was more of an Applique armor, the Virginia was still a wood structure with the armor placed over it the rivets would have been
rather long they may have been knocked through but the drag on them from the wood timbers may have been enough to keep them from becoming missiles, the Monitor had no wood structure in the turet only Iron and a much shorter rivet shank.
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

Sed tamen sal petrae LURO VOPO CAN UTRIET sulphuris; et sic facies tonituum et coruscationem si scias artficium

Offline jer2349

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 17
  • Gender: Male
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2010, 09:20:24 AM »
  Not to mention each 11" gun weighed 8 tons. Perched on a 3200 lb carriage. Amazzzing   :o
                       Cheers jer2349

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2010, 11:15:40 AM »
  Not to mention each 11" gun weighed 8 tons. Perched on a 3200 lb carriage. Amazzzing   :o
                       Cheers jer2349

AND ALL of that on top of something FLOATING!!!   :o
Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline dan610324

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2413
  • Gender: Male
  • bronze cannons and copper stills ;-))
    • dont have
Re: The "Monitor"s" 11" Dahlgrens
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2010, 03:10:48 PM »
at least for a while   ;D
Dan Pettersson
a swedish cannon maniac
interested in early bronze guns

better safe than sorry