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44Mag Handi's
« on: December 29, 2010, 11:36:05 AM »
I'm sure this has been discussed, but I missed it.  Do the .44's come D&T plus iron sights, or are they iron only?  Goatwhiskers
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 11:41:25 AM »
Several Years back they came with Iron fore & aft, D&T With scope rail.

Now, no Iron. Just D&T W/ scope rail.

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2010, 11:50:54 AM »
Pre 2008 SB2 44mags came with sights, 2008 and later SB1 don't, 22" accessory barrels only come with scope rails, not drilled and tapped for sights. Talo Trappers  come with an 18¾" barrel w/sights and are drilled and tapped for a scope rail, H&R has some Trapper accessory barrels in stock, or did recently, 44 mag part# FR03634, don't ask the price, I dunno.

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2010, 12:03:43 PM »
I was just looking at Davidson's and they have a 44 Mag Compact/Youth Superlight model listed with a 20" barrel and sights. First time I've seen this configuration and I'm thinking I might add it to my collection.
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2010, 12:18:35 PM »
I saw that a couple months ago when they had none in stock, thought it was a misprint, but Bud's has it in stock now too!

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 12:23:06 PM »
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 06:00:48 PM »
Tim, are these really SB1? Charlie
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 06:03:17 PM »
Yes, that's the only way they come, have been since the beginning of the 2008 model year, 357mag also. I just ordered one of the Superlight compact 44mags from Bud's tonight, I'll swap frames with my SB2 44mag and rechambered the Superlight barrel to 444 Marlin for a Superlight big bore!  :)

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 06:05:38 PM »
Obviously it will be safe to shoot all 44 mag loads in the SB1 right?
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 06:07:30 PM »
Yes.  ;)

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 06:38:26 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on January 01, 2011, 06:03:17 PM
I just ordered one of the Superlight compact 44mags from Bud's tonight, I'll swap frames with my SB2 44mag and rechambered the Superlight barrel to 444 Marlin for a Superlight big bore!  :)

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Will you do the rechamber yourself? Is it as simple as a 357 mag-max?
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2011, 06:46:00 PM »
I dunno yet, might have Wayne do that one, have to check it out first.

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 08:35:20 PM »
Tim
 
 Have you been hangind out with Tyler? A .444 as a super light?  ???


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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2011, 08:49:07 PM »
I wonder if getting kicked, snapped and pressurewaved from muzzle blast can cause brain leasions like football concussions or combat shock waves?  ;D  ear
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2011, 02:05:47 AM »
I believe the barrel breakin load for a 444M Superlight is a 405 grain BTB on top of a compressed load of H110. ::)

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2011, 05:22:34 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D A 265gr Hornady at 2100fps doesn't kick all that bad in a 6½lb rifle, I haven't seen any Contender pistol or carbine guys complaining.

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2011, 06:36:42 AM »
tim, my boy (j2) just completed my rechamber to .444. we first thought about going to supermag, but he said
lets go all out !!!!! its not a handi but it shur does shoot gud !!!  ;D
it did'nt take too long to do but he has a barrel lathe. it was not done by hand.
he also used 2 different reamers and both had pilots.
the calculations and equipment setup took longer than the ream......
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2011, 06:56:09 AM »
Power equipment only does it faster, not always better; and that set-up time is often a time killer on a machine job.
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2011, 07:07:09 AM »
yep your right gcrank... but the boy isa 15 year percision USMC armorer. its right ;)
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2011, 07:15:42 AM »
My apprehension about doing it by hand is from the amount of metal that has to be removed in comparison to the 445SM ream, the 444 is a bit larger in diameter than the 44mag (.470" vs .457") and the pilot probably won't be in the rifling from the start like it is in the shorter rechamber, that could result in a poor chamber.

Besides, I have another project in mind that I might just have Wayne do at the same time, bore and rechamber a 243 Superlight barrel to 375 Whelen Improved!!  :o

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2011, 07:22:08 AM »
Tim,

You almost cost me $201 dollars.  I looked at the Talo 44Mag at Buds.  I can't believe I had the willpower not to buy it, must be sick.

IF you go with the Superlight 375WI you may want to use one of Trotterlg's bolt thrust reducing cartridge designs. ::)

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2011, 07:32:31 AM »
I be enabling, that's my job!!  ;D

Not to worry on the 375WI, I'll put a Handi-grip on it!!  ;)

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2011, 09:35:46 AM »
Trend setter.........
Lengthen .357MAg to Max;
45-70 to 45-120,
Bob barrels,
I dont know what else,
Now overbored superlights.
I can hardly wait for the 'installment'..........
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2011, 10:35:29 AM »
Hmmm, a 45-120 Superlight!!  ???  Wayne won't do that, I don't know his min muzzle diameter for a .458 rebore.  :-\

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2011, 03:46:35 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on January 02, 2011, 05:22:34 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D A 265gr Hornady at 2100fps doesn't kick all that bad in a 6½lb rifle, I haven't seen any Contender pistol or carbine guys complaining.

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I shoot a stock 45-70 Contender carbine. I had an opportunity to get one for very little money so i picked a caliber that would be interesting. It wakes you up with trapdoor loads. I have not had the interest so far in shooting Marlin level loads in it. The .44 265 grain flat nose Hornady is a tricky component to buy these days. Marlin Owners has a lot wondering if Hornady will ever produce them again. I have a trick to getting them in hunting quantities. But I don't use them for hunting. Go figure.....
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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2011, 03:52:32 PM »
That's Ok on the Hornady's I have a box+ of em plus a new box of 265gr FTXs and there's always the 225gr FTX for varmints!  ;D

Tim

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2011, 02:28:30 AM »
Tim,

You might want to try the 310 gn LWFNGCs from Oregon trail in your 444.  My Illion made barrel likes them a lot.

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Re: 44Mag Handi's
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2011, 05:35:57 AM »
Thanks BB, even the old overbore 44mag barrels shot 300gr XTPs acceptable with max loads, in the 444 1:38" 300gr work fine as well, it's the 325gr-405gr that are a problem in the slow twist without pushing pressure beyond SAAMI specs which could be done on and SB2 frame with careful load work, it's been done in leverguns.

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http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/19

http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/28


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