Author Topic: too old and decrepit to bug out. (Read 3518 times)

powderman · « **Reply #30 on:** January 20, 2011, 10:43:46 AM »

Age and health would probably keep us right here. We are about a mile off the hwy, good neighbors too. I've thought about us blocking our road on both ends and only letting those in with business here, We could easily do that. Our church has no real plans but our pastor has casually mentioned that we might all have to go to the church to survive sometime in the future. Everything we need is right here. Keep several gallon jars of dry beans, lentils, split peas, barley, etc. Lots of canned goods too, and I might be able to find a gun or 2 and maybe some ammo. We also reload and keep supplies on hand. I don't see it necessary to stock a million rds of ammo, they shoot back and if we are killed we would simply be resupplying the enemy. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #31 on:** January 20, 2011, 10:52:01 AM »

If all of America bugs out then 300 million folks will be running into each other

maybe better to stay home and miss the rush . Maybe better to stay where you know the lay of the land sorta speak. If possible staying home would be seen as protecting ones home. Walking with a weapon may be seen as a looter or such on the prowl .
Cane we even estimate how many will head for the hills ? will they be taking pot shots at each other ?
In an isloated case like New Orleans yea run but a nation wide problem maybe not.

bilmac · « **Reply #32 on:** January 20, 2011, 11:18:49 AM »

If you are gonna bug out because you don't think you can survive where you are, then now's the time to do it, yesterday would be better. You need to be an accepted member of a community before SHTF. If you go wandering around after, you've got all the bad things Shootall notes to think about. I would expect locked gates, armed guards, ambushes on roads, gangs running amok, and lots of other bad things.

If you aren't willing to move to a better location soon, then I would look really hard at how you best can be prepared to hunker down where you are. I know it's hard to talk face to face with friends and neighbors about the world falling apart, I have the same problem, but a guy really should be talking with like minded people now about how the community can best be prepared.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2011, 04:14:29 AM »

TN, scoping things out in the mountains would be a good idea, except, when I go squirrel hunting I don't get more than 100yds from the truck. mountain climbing would kill me.
my county is composed of blacks, mexicans and asians. not many whites left to get friendly with. the county lost it's school accreditation a couple of years ago and the white folks fled to the adjoining counties. that makes my house virtually worthless and without selling it, we can't afford to buy another one anywhere. I can only hope that we could get to southern Ill. or titusville Fla. where I have brothers.
I've started buying beans, rice, powdered milk and muffin mix. I stocked up on multi-vitamins and bloodthinner some time ago.

powderman · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2011, 07:17:00 AM »

BUGEYE. On the blood thinner, my doc gives me a script dbl what I need so they last 2x as long, saving me money. I need 10 mg, he gives me 20 mg. I bought a $1 pill cutter at the $ tree that works great. POWDERMAN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2011, 07:57:40 AM »

Guess at some point we dig in and take what comes

teamnelson · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:20:02 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 21, 2011, 07:57:40 AM

Guess at some point we dig in and take what comes

Its been on my mind (well maybe my heart) for a while now that as prepared as I might be, I know so many folks for whom bugging out is not feasible, and they may be younger, healthy, etc. They're just not mentally up to it. And for every family like that, I know two that are older, etc. for whom the duress of bugging out would be too much. I've read Alas Babylon probably a half dozen times since I was kid, and they essentially moved a couple of families into one big house, and hunkered down. And then made it a point to check up on others. Makes me think that it won't be good enough for me just to make sure Team Nelson is good to go; probably need a short list of folks that my son and I will go help bug over to our place if it comes to it. When the Tsunami of 2010 was coming (big whoop) we started to bug out, and my neighbor (husband deployed) comes over and says we're in a protected zone. So we hunkered down for the 1meter wave that disappointed a lot of knucklehead surfers. But had it come, I had enough propane to cook off all the meat on the block before it spoiled, and have a neighborhood party! Might be a good way to kick of the end of the world.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:33:14 AM »

If ya run ya die tired !

Victor3 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:13:32 PM »

While I dream about making a go of leaving the city to live in a more pastoral setting I doubt I'll ever do it; too spoiled by the lifestyle I'm accustomed to. I've also known family & friends who've tried but couldn't make it long term for various reasons.

Years ago my Mother in Law received a substantial inheritance that allowed her to stop working and buy a nice truck + fifth wheel. She left her apartment and went to live in a campground on the Northern coast of CA, thinking that at 50+ she'd finally made it to where she wanted to be in life. Two bad winters later with health problems, truck out of service, a leaky roof and mold taking over the trailer she was flat broke and living in HUD housing back in the city (still is).

One who has 'made it' long term is my Wife's Brother (another dreamer who grew up in the city). He's been in and out of rural hippy communes from CA to India since he was a teenager (now 42). No education, health insurance or Wife/kids; he does odd jobs and I don't know what all else to survive. He's "free" though. Free of cash usually.

Others in my Wife's extended family have been living in small remote communities for generations. Not anything I could handle for very long myself. A lot of poverty, alcoholism and chain smoking going on between picking avocados and selling jars of honey on the side of the road. They do survive though. They'd fare better than most during any kind of supply chain breakdown.

I could dump the Wife and kid (they wouldn't agree to join me), take my money and retire to a rural property today if I just wanted to 'survive' for the rest of my life. It would probably be a short and unhappy life though. I'll take my chances on a SHTF and stay here with family, kitty cat and office politics.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2011, 03:38:33 AM »

Quote from: powderman on January 21, 2011, 07:17:00 AM

BUGEYE. On the blood thinner, my doc gives me a script dbl what I need so they last 2x as long, saving me money. I need 10 mg, he gives me 20 mg. I bought a $1 pill cutter at the $ tree that works great. POWDERMAN.

It sounds like we go to the same heart Doc. he doubles everything for me but I still refill every 90 days so I've built up a nice stockpile of plavix, coreg and imdur. without those, I'm a goner.

no guns here · « **Reply #40 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:44:48 AM »

Alas Babylon is a decent book...

Havent' read it in years though.

NGH

Victor3 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:34:25 PM »

With Police Absent, Egyptians Arm Themselves to Protect Neighborhoods

CAIRO -- When Egypt's police melted from the streets of Cairo this weekend, the people stepped in.

Civilians armed with knives, axes, golf clubs, firebombs, metal bars and makeshift spears watched over many neighborhoods in the sprawling capital of 18 million this weekend, defending their families and homes against widespread looting and lawlessness.

The thugs had exploited the chaos created by the largest anti-government protests in decades and the military failed to fill the vacuum left by police.

On Saturday, the army sent out an appeal for citizens to help.

"The military encourages neighborhood youth to defend their property and their honor," it said in a statement.

At least we in the US still have our guns...

billy_56081 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:41:54 PM »

If your old and decrepit like ya say, mmaybe the best thing is to fort up and if needed die wth your boots on in your house. Take a bunch of the cretins with you and leave the world a better place for the future.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #43 on:** February 01, 2011, 01:22:49 AM »

Victor3, that will probably be the way things work out in the US. neighborhoods protecting their own. on my block there are 3 white families, 2 black, 2 mexican, 4 asian and 2 lesbians who are antigun.
the girls know that I have guns so they'll probably come running when the looters show up.

Couger · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2011, 05:41:14 AM »

Quote from: no guns here

Alas Babylon is a decent book...
Havent' read it in years though.

"Alas Babylon" is a good [reading] primer for the survivalist. First such book I ever read, about age 14-15. Was my dad's; I've got it in storage somewhere.

"Alas .... Babylon" was a code phrase for a couple of brothers in the book, one in Air Force Intelligence who was at Offutt when the balloon went up. 'Alas Babylon' was what their boyhood preacher would exclaim when he imagined the end of the world and second coming, hence where the author "stole" it from.

Wesley-Rawles' "Patriots" is a much better read and idea source.

gypsyman · « **Reply #45 on:** February 01, 2011, 07:41:50 AM »

Shootall, another reply like in post 31, and I'll have to get a bigger towel to wipe my monitor down. Coffee just about came out my nose on that one. gypsyman

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #46 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:27:59 AM »

The problems for us folks who will not bug out, will be when those that do, run out of the food they need in the first week, decide their survival skills are'nt good enough by the third week, come down to get themselves a chicken or an apple or a goat or produce from our gardens.Then we that stay in place will be left to defend, and defend with a fury.

Powdermans suggestion of the folks all meeting at the church is a good idea with the safety in numbers aspect. Likewise my family is all professing to go to "uncle pats". More mouths to feed yes, but also more to provide security while others work fields, or cut wood or haul water. I'd rather have a dozen folks crammed under one roof helping than to have a dozen folks outside bent on taking.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #47 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:11:28 AM »

And that is about the way it will happen.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #48 on:** February 01, 2011, 04:15:57 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on January 20, 2011, 07:40:35 AM

bugeye, I've been mulling over your thread here for some time. I used to live north of you in Cumming, and hiked all over N.Ga. One thought if you want to bug out is pick one of the more remote campgrounds in the northern mountains, maybe something on the GA section of the AT. There's a walk-in hostel for through hikers that's not too far away from Amicalola falls (used to be a trail volunteer there). Scout it out, find the back routes, and pick a nice spot. I can think of 3 or 4 off the top of my head. I kinda figure anyone on a campground when things get bad is actually in a good spot.

Another idea is scout some commercial property, which won't be a first look for looters especially if its maybe vacant even now. Big metal buildings are less susceptible to fire damage than the wood frame with brick facade that's all over ATL. Consider it a temporary location on your way to somewhere better. I route my long runs through some of those areas where I live now and eyeball the properties that are up for lease.

It would be great if some of the churches thought this through like I know many did for Y2K. The church I was with at the time had a working plan to check on people, stockpile a few things, and set up shelter at the church itself if needs be. Its make a natural base for community, and it really gave the men of the church a good project to work on that most of them felt they could handle.

And I love the cricket, well I have its predecessor the chipmunk. Thanks to your reminding me, its now gonna be my wife's pack rifle when it comes to it. I set up a Contender 16" 223 for my pack, with chamber adapters in 22lr/wmr.

Wow TeamNelson

It looks like you have been reading my play book. All good advice! I would like to ad that there are self storage units in Jasper and Ellijay to stock supplies for those in Hotlanta for when it gets to hot to stay. You may get raided on the way or end up going on foot.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #49 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:05:41 AM »

What's the thought of a small gun and ammo along with cash , knife , matches etc. in a safe deposit box along your planned evacuation route ?
I have heard here and elsewhere where folks going out of country hide a handgun just off the road and retrive it on the way back. I would think that a small deposit box in a bank or such would be better. Maybe its a risk in a bad time but if you are on the ball you will be ahead of the rest .

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #50 on:** February 02, 2011, 05:09:33 AM »

Tying yourself to bankers hours doesn't sound all that great to me. Depending on the situation you are escaping, SHTF sounds like a perfect reason to not open a bank to me. You are worried about looters and such, where would a bank president align himself? Protect bank assets or open up for the convenience of those needing to get into the safety deposit boxes?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #51 on:** February 02, 2011, 09:17:17 AM »

I agree but at some point it will open and it might be the best place to have one left. It would be a gamble and should be an extra.
There are some truths in a SHTF time. Some will not be up to the task. Some who have will lose it to those who don't have. If you look like a target you will be one and a pretty girl will have an edge !

blind ear · « **Reply #52 on:** February 02, 2011, 12:21:09 PM »

Many safe deposit boxes got stripped by bank employes in the crash era of the 20s & 30s. ear

teamnelson · « **Reply #53 on:** February 02, 2011, 12:33:08 PM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on February 01, 2011, 04:15:57 PM

Wow TeamNelson

It looks like you have been reading my play book. All good advice! I would like to ad that there are self storage units in Jasper and Ellijay to stock supplies for those in Hotlanta for when it gets to hot to stay. You may get raided on the way or end up going on foot.

That's a good idea on those self storage units! A clever man might go ahead and load up a decent stockpile, pack it in a small storage unit with a combination lock somewhere along the way out of town or at least in the most likely direction of egress, off the beaten path. Push comes to shove you might even be able to live out of that for a while before you move on. I like that idea over a bank since it doesn't have to be staffed to access it, and if things were real bad, there's going to be more drama at the bank that at the self-stor.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #54 on:** February 02, 2011, 05:49:35 PM »

Storage units would be good for apartment dwellers as well. Live in one!! Thats funny because there was a guy who was doing that not far from me. Used a bucket for a chamber pot and would dump it at an RV park close by. Bought his "groceries" at the Chevron gas station mini mart. IIRC he lived there for around three months before he got caught and "evicted". 75 bucks is pretty cheap rent.

I've been thinking of a "cricket" for a foraging rifle. Already got a Stevens model 72 "crackshot" and an M-6 scout in .22/.410. been thinking of getting chamber adapters and guage mates for my savage .30-30/12 ga. I got a mosin nagant and 200 rounds at each of my sisters place as well as my kids places and one of my friends. Even if they bug out here, they will have a weapon to bring and hopefully defend themselves with.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #55 on:** February 03, 2011, 03:48:59 AM »

Storage units will be broken into easy .