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What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« on: December 30, 2010, 03:45:47 AM »
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If Christians Were Treated Like Muslims
by Gary Bauer

12/28/2010
Few Americans would deny that Judeo-Christian beliefs and values informed the Founding of this country and that they continue to shape much of American life today. Nor would many of us deny that Americans who embrace Islamic values are a distinct minority here.

I raise these two facts because of an emerging reality: that, in a variety of contexts, American Muslims are treated better than American Christians. That might seem like a bizarre assertion, so think about it in another way: What if the Christians were treated like Muslims in America, and Muslims like Christians?

If Muslims were treated like Christians in America, Muslims would have to tolerate the defamation of their holiest images in our national museums, acts which would be called "artwork" -- and, if particularly provocative, even given taxpayer-funded grants from the National Endowment for the Arts. They would also have to accept Korans being burned and thrown into toilets, which instead of inciting worldwide outrage and retribution would provoke a collective shrug of the shoulders.






If Muslims were treated like Christians, Muslims would be mocked by late night TV talk show hosts and lampooned in crude cartoon parodies. If Christians were treated like Muslims, conspicuous Christianity would be celebrated by our elites as a sign of our diversity and open-mindedness, not disparaged as an embarrassment, a nuisance and a breach of the law.

If Christianity were treated like Islam, our students would be taught a white-washed version of Christian history, with the troubling bits miscast or omitted from textbooks and lesson plans.

If Christianity were treated like Islam, if an evangelical Christian committed an evil act in the name of his faith, he would be portrayed in the media as a deviation from, not a personification of, the Gospel message. Meanwhile, our political and media elites would hasten to assure the public that evangelical Christianity is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of evangelical Christians do not support terrorism.

If Christianity were treated like Islam in America, our president, a professed Christian, would proudly attend Christian-themed dinners and events while skipping Ramadan dinners, not vice versa. And Muslim politicians would go out of their way to assure people that their faith would not affect their policy-making.

If Christianity were treated like Islam, Christmas and Easter would be publicly celebrated for what they are — the signature events of Christianity, marking the birth and the death and Resurrection of Christ — not stripped of all their theological meaning and transformed into secular holidays devoted to crass consumerism.

If Christians were treated like Muslims, NASA would be tasked with reaching out to Christians and recognizing their faith's profound achievements and contributions to science, math and engineering, instead of being told to make Muslims feel good about their rather meager scientific accomplishments.

If Christians were treated like Muslims, the Catholic Church's stances on sex, contraception and human life would be revered as welcome departures from our over-sexed, self-obsessed culture, not condemned as a cause of disease and death in the less-developed world. And if Muslims were treated like Christians, the application of Sharia law around the world would be met not with stony silence but with the outrage it deserves.

If Christians were treated like Muslims in America, amusement parks would celebrate "Christian Family Day," (Six Flags recently celebrated "Muslim Family Day"), and Christians would be asked to embrace, not set aside, their religious convictions at the door when they entered the public square. Meanwhile, Muslim imams, not Christian pastors, would fear hate crimes lawsuits for preaching orthodox views of sexuality and sin.

The notion that American Muslims face discrimination, even to the point of violence, is often posited by America's elites. But that idea evaporates under scrutiny. Remarkably few hate crimes are reported against Muslims (fewer than one-eighth those against Jews). What's more, Muslim immigration to America has risen sharply since September 11, 2001, and Muslims thrive, economically and educationally, once they arrive.

In fact, it is Christians, not Muslims, who increasingly encounter cultural elites who are hostile to their beliefs and values.

Sadly, Christians will never be treated like Muslims by America's elites. Why? Because Christianity can be attacked without fear of retribution. The Christian response to insult and attack -- "to turn the other cheek" -- contradicts the knee-jerk call to violence of many Islamists.

It's also because left-wing elites and radical Islamists are united in the common cause of upending the Judeo-Christian culture and roots of American society.

I’m not in favor of burning the Koran, and I don’t think insulting or defaming symbols of any religion constitutes art. At a time of the year when intolerance for public displays of Christianity is most acute, it is my Christmas wish that Muslims and Christians would be treated equally.
 


Think about it. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2010, 02:26:14 PM »
Then we'd be royalty!!!!!!

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 03:00:45 AM »
great post.  I'll probably get a lot of flack about this, but, I don't think liberals have a soul. its been sold to satan.
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 04:01:01 AM »
It would be a lot easier to get through an airport.  ;)

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 04:07:29 AM »
BUGEYE, CONAN. Agreed on both counts. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 04:56:54 AM »
WOW, your apparent hatred of Christians and Jews really runs deep. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 05:16:30 AM »
Mr. Bauer is a whiner.

The God awful truth is if so-called American Christians were treated like moslems,,,

...they would have regime changes and importation of 'democracy'
...they would have 2 or 3 million of their kind rubbed out
...they would have their ancient land stolen, massacred, and live in refugee camps
...they would have their religion castigated, malaligned, and misquoted
...they would be subject to surprise attacks and remote drone attacks and their infrastructure destroyed
...they would be occupied by a foreign hostile army, and their culture under relentless attack
...they would live under despotic elite class rule, as vassal states of the West and NWO hegemony
...they would have their natural resources and banking system reallocated
...they would be subject to all manner of devisive embargoes and other seizes
...they would have their countryside and people poisoned by all manner of weaponry
...they would be prevented from developing meaningful defensive weaponry against aggressors
...they would have their enemies quote religious inequites to justify brutality
...they would have their own extremists provoked to justify even more brutality
...they would under threat of total anniliation just one psychopath away



...TM7
 
 

   TM:
   Just why in the world do you hang around in such an evil country and such an evil people...when the Somalian paradise and the riches of Sudan beckon to you ?
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2010, 05:48:32 AM »
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Just why in the world do you hang around in such an evil country and such an evil people...when the Somalian paradise and the riches of Sudan beckon to you ?



Pretty obvious to the Christians and other thinking people here. Remember the thorn in Pauls side??? POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2010, 06:22:26 AM »
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So I think as an America Firster with my loyaties straight, I'll stay right here for the time being and keep countering the BS of the anti-gentiles and the co-religonists and discuss their psycho war mentality...as is my right and duty so far.




Thats a hoot, thanks for the laugh. I've never heard you say ONE good thing about America in all the years I've been reading your misinformation. What a laugh, thanks, I needed that. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 10:24:12 AM »
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In fact, around the world they are often the ones that defend Christ and the Holy Mother,,,often with Christian colleaques.




Another untruth. Tell it to the Christian families of the church your godless friends bombed in Egypt today, over 20 dead, 80+ maimed or injured. This was just today, and they still have time for more blood. There were more Christians murdered yesterday. YEP, the godless ones are big defenders of the Christian faith. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 10:41:33 AM »
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/12/31/international/i173542S70.DTL&amp




Heres a link to todays bombing of another Christian church by the godless ones. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 05:00:58 PM »
If Christians were treated like muslims, there would be peace in the world.
We learned the true nature of Islam on 11 Sept 2001.

Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 07:01:31 AM »
If Christians were treated like muslims, there would be peace in the world.


YEP. And if the godless ones would lay down their arms, and quit murdering innocents all over the world, there would be peace  in the world. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 07:08:06 AM »
I forgot to add, noor amaleki would probably still be alive. honor killing, my arse.

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We learned the true nature of Islam on 11 Sept 2001.

Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 07:13:56 AM »
I have to ask - treated like muslims by who ?
And how would that cause peace ?
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 07:47:50 AM »
SHOOTALL, I was making the point that if Christians got the preferred treatment that muzzies now enjoy, there would be peace in the world.

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Show your appreciation for Islam....eat more bacon.

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 08:01:22 AM »
I doubt it
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 12:42:52 PM »
TM7, et al. I did not read Bauer as blaming Muslims for the persecution of Christians in the US. I reread the article, looked it up in its original form - no where does he make that assertion. There is a third party referenced in his article, ostensibly the "government" or "liberal elite" that is the agressor in his article. He is simply pointing out that this 3rd party treats Muslims in the US ... not worldwide, not in the scope of his article ... better than they treat Christians in the US. And to that point, I think he's valid. It is en vogue to mock Christians, Christianity, and the Christ Himself in America today, even among some self-proclaimed Christians. You can't blame Islam for that though, and neither can you applaud their efforts in the US to defend Christianity - to this issue they are silent.

So the issue for me then is the US government, by nature of its implied favortism towards one religious group within its borders as opposed to another, in violation of the establishment clause?
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2011, 02:34:13 AM »
Most would agree with that , so why is it this way ?
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2011, 03:20:49 AM »
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Incidently, Christians don't have to put up with any attack on their values, mocked, or disparaged in any way,




Another muslim falsehood. Thanks for my morning laugh. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2011, 03:33:33 AM »
  TM observes;
     Incidently, Christians don't have to put up with any attack on their values, mocked, or disparaged in any way,


      I say;
   This is pretty rich !  In my opinion, anyone who would make that statement certainly cannot be a Christian or have any who are close to him...or he would know better than to make that silly statement... ;) :D ;D
    Criticism of Christians is widespread...but perhaps it takes a Christian to notice..    Here are some examples in academia:

   http://acct.tamu.edu/smith/ethics/BP_AntiChristian.htm

   ...And have you ever heard of the many TV/Hollyweird types such as Bill Mahr launch into their anti-Christian diatribes ?


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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2011, 03:56:34 AM »
  Here's another instance (among thousands) where a Christian is ridiculed...(and goes on to explain in paragraph 5) the difference in 'tolerance' exhibited by professors...
 http://engagefamilyminute.com/?p=820 
  Much to be said about the "open and free inquiry"  atmosphere of some of our colleges and universities... and they are doing it pretty much on the taxpayer's dime (or millions of dollars).
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 04:03:10 AM »
  There is a whole community of demonic unbelievers who insult Christians regularly...and the liberal/progressives in govt keep funding the vehicle they ride to do it.  They are doing this at the taxpayer's expense:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

   Just how "artistic" and "inspired" was this display...and how much do you suppose the stupid politicians who support the NERA paid a slobbering idiot for suspending a plastic crucifix in a fish tank of urine ?
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2011, 04:43:51 AM »
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This is pretty rich !  In my opinion, anyone who would make that statement certainly cannot be a Christian or have any who are close to him...or he would know better than to make that silly statement...   
    Criticism of Christians is widespread...but perhaps it takes a Christian to notice..    Here are some examples in academia:



IRONGLOW. He, or she, has stated many times that our God is not his, or her God. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2011, 08:06:13 AM »
Our govt will court any new or fresh segment of voters . That is why the illegals are not sent home . There is a plan to make them voters. When christians stand and vote as one they will be treated like they want to be. They are the only block of voters standing in the way of progressives which is why they are attacked while others get a free ride.
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2011, 12:46:12 PM »
  TM says;

  Christians aren't or shouldn't be so involved with politics in the first place anyway.



  My reply;
    
    I can see you have sipped the "progressives" Kool-Aid... ;) :D
     
   Who else do you think should not be involved in politics... shoemakers ? Farmers ? Chemical engineers ? philosophy profs ? Automotive technicians ? Pediatricians ?    ...now do you see how silly that remark is ?

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2011, 03:44:45 PM »
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TM says;

  Christians aren't or shouldn't be so involved with politics in the first place anyway.



IRONGLOW. Well of course he, or she, would say that. Can't have any of that ol Christian garbage being put out for everybody to see. Imagine the horror of having Christian values and high moral standards involved in the law making and decision making process. My goodness, that would be scary. Laws made according to Gods laws and family values???? The horror would be terrible, give the pantywetters nightmares for life. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2011, 02:24:01 AM »
Christians should be involved , to say otherwise if foolish.
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2011, 02:43:26 AM »
Christians should be involved , to say otherwise if foolish.



You bet, thats the only way America has a chance. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2011, 03:57:47 AM »
  TM;
   With a statement like that, you make yourself to look as if you are completely unaware of America's founding, history, or it's route to greatness.  I don't think you are really that unimformed.
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