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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2011, 04:43:35 AM »
  TM;
   With a statement like that, you make yourself to look as if you are completely unaware of America's founding, history, or it's route to greatness.  I don't think you are really that unimformed.



No, he, or she isn't uninformed. He, or she, just wants to make sure that the real God has no influence regarding our laws or policies. Can't be having Christian values and morality here. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2011, 05:28:13 AM »

 BTW...America's former greatness wasn't the government, which is amoral...it was the absence of goverment and moral regulation.
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2011, 05:47:53 AM »
 TM;
   With a statement like that, you make yourself to look as if you are completely unaware of America's founding, history, or it's route to greatness.  I don't think you are really that unimformed.
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Don't think so. I happen to believe in Separation of Church and Hate more than ever after what I've witnessed here the last few years.

Then Jesus said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.

That pretty much sums up the separation of state and church notion pretty well.

You might want to cross reference that with this :

 
(Matthew 8:10 +) When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.


which means forget about the state....when it comes to God
 
  

You can state your case if you want to....but I pretty much got your viewpoint down. BTW...America's former greatness wasn't the government, which is amoral...it was the absence of goverment and moral regulation.


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   OK TM; here's a start:   http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/founding.html
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2011, 05:49:14 AM »
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2011, 05:51:27 AM »
  TM;

    All fifty states (not 57 :D)  acknowledge God in their Constitutions...

  http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/god-constitutions.htm
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2011, 04:30:42 AM »
IG...so you're saying the USA, and the 57 states, are suppose to be Theocracies...mergers of church and state? That's what you get from those founding father politrical statements you linked....do I have that right..?

..TM7



TM;
     Oh MY ! You still don'y get it !..   #1..Please don't try to tell me what I said, I know what I said.
   I call your attention to YOUR POST # 29 where you did say...  "Christians aren't or shouldn't be so involved with politics in the first place anyway".

    Using documentation to disprove your claim, I posted hundreds of statements by those  who politically rejected aristocratic rule and founded this new nation...the forefathers of this beloved United States of America.  These were all statements addressing Almighty God and sometimes addressing the Son as Almighty God, which exposes their Christian thought and life commitment !  Then I furnished a list of the constitutions of all 50 states (not 57,  FYI for TM & Obama) which shows that all 50, when composing their constitutions..paid homage to Almighty God..often indicating Christian God.
  
   Neither I nor anyone else in this thread EVER said anything about "theocracy", that term was YOUR construct, in your feeble attempt to "re-arrange" what I actually said.

   I believe everyone knows that when in a debate, if the opponent says, "in other words you're saying"...that is an old sophomoric attempt to change what you have said.  Most don't fall for it and should not let it go unchallenged.
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2011, 04:49:30 AM »
  Furthermore; before the Darwinists, Marxists and Fabian Socialists along with the anti Christ people rose in academia & law, as late as 1892... The US Supreme court declared the United states to be " a Christian nation".
    http://vftonline.org/TestOath/HolyTrinity.htm
      ....Then came the 'panty-wetters'   ::) :P

  BTW:  The above links I posted are worth saving for Christians...so they have them ready when some whimperer starts the old discussion that the US "was not founded by Christians"... :D ;D
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2011, 05:36:42 AM »
IG...so you're saying the USA, and the 57 states, are suppose to be Theocracies...mergers of church and state? That's what you get from those founding father politrical statements you linked....do I have that right..?


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HEH. There are 50  American States, 57 in your cult. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2011, 11:31:54 AM »
  TM;
   I quoted virtually all our founding fathers and the 50 states' constitutions as referring to Almighty God and His Son.  Now, if you consider that to be a theocracy...you will just have to take it up with John Adams, Geo Washington, Patrick Henry, Ethan Allen, John Hancock, James Madison and the rest of the boys.  ;) :D
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2011, 07:57:23 PM »
If I may, for clarification, it seems to me like IG and TM7 are in actual agreement that our nation was not founded as a theocracy - although they disagree on many other things, granted. Founded by a bunch of very religious men, yes, but not implicitly or explicitly founded by design or intention as a theocracy, per the definition supplied by TM7. It was founded as a republic in which religion should be celebrated and highly valued by its citizens, but not interfered with by the "state" (i.e. government, specifically federal).
Is that a point on which we can agree?

I think its important to recognize agreement where it exists, because then I think we more clearly understand the differences. Just reading through this, and many other threads related prior, the difference of opinion lies in how one answers the question: what is the role of the Religious Adherent (Christian, Muslim, Jew, et al) in American government? To what degree should public policy be influenced by one's faith? I think we would all agree that if a president were to run the nation as if everyone in it believed as he, and to the same degree, we would quickly appear to be a theocracy. Policy therefore should be rooted in that which is common to all, as much as is possible.

I think this is the issue with Islam in the US. Public policy (in practice if not in fact) seems to grant Muslims greater concessions beyond that which is common to all; deferential treatment if you will. I think the argument could be made that its in part a factor of timing; we're on the crest of diversity and affirmative action in the public arena. We do not know how to assimilate and at the same time celebrate, so we celebrate first in the hopes that assimilation occurs later. And by celebrate, I mean we force tolerance. Given that Christianity is still the majority religion in the US, it is the Christians who are feeling the brunt of forced tolerance, and feeling the loss of tolerance of Christianity that goes along with it. Its no longer about what we may have in common with Islam, as we are told to embrace the whole thing lock, stock and barrel.
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2011, 02:49:37 AM »
  TN;
   Paragraph #1..you are right on. Our founding fathers deliberately avoided even the thought of a theocracy, having deliberately left that behind, across the Atlantic.  Although they founded a nation on Judeo-Christian principles, they endorsed no denomination and expressed tolerance for all faiths.  Anyone reading this thread already knows, I did not bring up the idea of a theocracy, even though I was accused of being a theocrat (obviously untrue).

   Your second paragraph..  We havbe had few recent poresidents who ran the office strongly along Christian lines, with the possible exception of Pres. Ronald Reagan.  Carter TALKED Christian..but didn't walk it very well... While it is difficult to see where genuine Christian principles , generally followed, would do great harm to the nation, it is not at all difficult to visualize the harm "sharia" based opinions would engender.

  Somehow, here in America..Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Shinto, Christian, Hindu and even pagans have learned to get along without blowing each other to pieces.  Only Islam seems to be the misfit...and it is not ALL the Islamists who are creating the violence.  Just seems we should know better by now...but then Scripture says we shall have no peace until the "Prince of Peace" returns..
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2011, 03:05:58 AM »
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Somehow, here in America..Buddhists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Shinto, Christian, Hindu and even pagans have learned to get along without blowing each other to pieces.  Only Islam seems to be the misfit...




You noticed that too???? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2011, 03:26:15 PM »
My observation so far has been; if Arabs (muslims) quit striking Israel tomorrow, there would be peace. However if Israel quit striking Arabs (muslims) tomorrow there would still be no peace. This is a direct correlation to the Koran where it says Islam must be the sole religion and all non-believers must convert or die.

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2011, 03:46:21 PM »
GREENHUNTER. True, but the godless ones don't want peace, only innocent blood. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2011, 04:10:00 PM »
There's plenty of people slaughterd in America for all kinds of near political and societal malaise. From school shootings McDonald's attacks, to this latest Giffords' attack, to mental breakdown.   Endless it seems.


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  Well; I am relieved to see you here trying to explain that guy in Arizona !  That guy was kook,,, but we still don't know much more than that he loves "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" ...and that he hates Jews (which the congresswoman is)...a rather common combination, I guess..
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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2011, 04:48:04 PM »
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...and that he hates Jews (which the congresswoman is)...a rather common combination, I guess..




Starting to line up now. Sad. Check your pm IG. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2011, 03:38:33 AM »
from TM;
     IG...I don't know anything about this Loughtner guy's religious affiliation or who he hates, or why exactly he acted out.....seems more Christians were murdered than jews in Arizona that day again. Nor do I know what was on his reading list and loved, except to say those two books you mentioned are key fulcrums of 20th century history and probably should be read...not banned...Those two books taken together are rather polar opposites in a sense. I am, however, concerned who's care he was under and what meds they had him on. I also thought Loughtner was a jew,,,but doesn't matter too much at this point as long as he is put away.  Please tell PMan he wasn't a muzzie..

..TM7
 

  TM;
        According to the news reports on his facbook and  youtube accts...he didn't trust the govt, police or God.  Today they report on police finding a skull, candles etc set up in his back yard.  Doesn't look like muzzie or Christian. As far as the books he favored, again you are using hyperbole.  News stated that those same personal pages he claimed "Mien Kampf" and the "communist manifesto" to be his FAVORITE reads.
   Read again..I said nothing about BANNING any books, in fact a well rounded person should read those two...so they can recognize enemies of freedom early on.  ...But when it goes as far as this creep does and calls "Mein Kampf" and the "Communiust Manifesto" as his FAVORITES, then he/we have a problem.
 
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2011, 12:16:56 AM »
  TM;
   While I agree with you (ring the bells)..that this guy is probably a nutter, driven only by hate, I must say that the report of him preferring both the Commie Manifesto and Mein Kampf need not be a stretch.  Often these nut cases like both...because both books are great for stirring up their natural HATRED.
    Again, you are correct (!!) that any culture has it's own share of nut cases.  ...But keeping this in mind, would it not seem that the Muzzies produce far more than their rightful share of them ?

   http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
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« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2011, 03:55:54 AM »
 TM;
   While I agree with you (ring the bells)..that this guy is probably a nutter, driven only by hate, I must say that the report of him preferring both the Commie Manifesto and Mein Kampf need not be a stretch.  Often these nut cases like both...because both books are great for stirring up their natural HATRED.
    Again, you are correct (!!) that any culture has it's own share of nut cases.  ...But keeping this in mind, would it not seem that the Muzzies produce far more than their rightful share of them ?

   http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

They make up 26% of the worlds population what would be their fair share ? 26 % of the worlds nut cases ?
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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2011, 05:11:30 AM »
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They make up 26% of the worlds population what would be their fair share ? 26 % of the worlds nut cases ?



SHOOTALL. The godless ones % is way higher than that. They kill for fun, innocent blood is what they live for. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Re: What If Christians were treated like muslims??
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2011, 02:35:01 PM »
After all this I still say muslims get a free pass in America. I never hear anyone in Hollywood  bad mouthing them. I'm a christian and like some other posts have mentioned we are constantly mocked. As a christian, I personally see neighbors pull up their iron curtains as soon I they find out what I believe. Where do they get their opinion of us? Movies most likely. A muslim can shoot a bunch of soldiers in texas and his religion is defended. A loony in Arizona shoots a 12 people and who gets blamed? Christians do! Sara Palin and Glenn Beck more than anyone, and the guy was a left wing nut. Also, the meaning of separation of church and state doesn't mean what the liberals have most thinking it means. There is some debate what they meant but keeping christian ideas and values out of government was not their intent. We have kicked God and his values out and look what we have now. I know how christians think cause I am one. They would never discriminate against their ideas in their new government. Come to think of it, christians run all over the world helping muslims, earth quake,hurricane, tornado,flood victims. I never see muslims, buddists, athiests, JW's mormans, ,or much of anyone helping out in these cases. Just an observation.