Author Topic: new hogdon 4pk of powder (Read 1106 times)

emmie · « **on:** December 15, 2003, 11:18:05 AM »

add in predator xtreme shows hogdon powder coming in a pack of 4-4oz bottles of different powder. just the right amount to try out loads. box was in target- hunting -pistol and shotgun i belive.
if this is so its a great idea
emmie

ButlerFord45 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 15, 2003, 01:15:21 PM »

This is a GOOD THING!!! At least it's a start in the right direction. Now if they'll just let ME pick the four, I'd be in hog heaven!!!!

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2003, 06:05:44 PM »

Personally I think it will be a financial disaster for them. They gonna lose their proverbial butts on this one.

GB

ButlerFord45 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 16, 2003, 12:25:17 AM »

GB, your probably right, but it'd sure save ME a lot of moner!! Don't tell'em I said it but I'd be willing to pay a bit more per pound if they would do this.

stv · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2003, 01:53:08 AM »

I don't think Hodgdon will loose on this deal. You have to look at it like they are introducing users to a selection of their products in a way that will encourage canister sales of larger units like 1 lb or 8 lb units. In the larger picture they will not make a lot or may even loose a little on the sample packs but gain on the introduction of their products to their potential customers. I really like the idea.

grizz · « **Reply #5 on:** December 16, 2003, 08:02:24 AM »

I for one really like the idea.. I think they will loss very little if any at all.. I would buy the 4 pack and try them out if i found 1 that worked well I would end up buying a 8lb can.. In another rifle I may find a different powder in the same package works well i then would buy a 8lb can of that as well.. I hate spending 15-20 bucks on 1lb cans only to see it doesnt work in my gun and I may not have a gun it works well in at all so its a waste..

grizz

Graybeard · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2003, 08:50:50 AM »

I think you'll likely find the four pack that weights only a single pound will end up costing more like two pounds would because packaging is going to be a bigger cost than will the powder. You will almost for sure NOT be able to select which four powders you get in the mix and so will likely find no more than two of them of interest to you. So you will then in effect be paying four times as much to try it or in other words that 1/4 pound you wanted to try will costs you as much as one pound of same powder would have.

Perhaps I'm wrong. I'm sure they and you hope so but I'm pessimistic of the idea. I just don't see it flying.

GB

grizz · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2003, 10:13:50 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

You will almost for sure NOT be able to select which four powders you get in the mix and so will likely find no more than two of them of interest to you.

You are prolly right on that.. That was one thing I wasnt thinking about... Maybe selling them in just the 1/4lb cans by itself would be better..
Time will tell...

grizz

razmuz · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2003, 01:46:00 PM »

I wouldn't buy Hogdon because I've used all thier powder and have plenty left. I woul buy small amounts of some of the new powders to give them a try.

BruceP · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2003, 07:44:58 AM »

Is it just me or does anyone else feel this is a way to lead to higher prices for powder. (and more profit for the powder companies) In the begining the 1/4 lb will probably be about 1/2 the price of a 1 lb canister now. Then when the reloaders who dont load much more than their hunting rounds and a few practice rounds a year start buying the smaller canisters and not the 1 pounders then the price for the 1/4 lb will go up. Since it will already be about 1/2 the price of a 1 lb, the 1lb canister will go up too. After all they would not sell many 1/4 pounders if the price were say 2/3 to 3/4 the price of a pound.
Yes, I too have unused canisters of powder in my reloading room but I would rather have this than to end up paying the same for a 1/4 lb as I now do for 1 lb. I can always give the unused powder to a friend that uses that type or use it to help a friend try different powders in their firearm. If not that I can always make up rounds for me to use for offhand practice or to just stay "in touch" with my rifle even if it wont shoot half inch groups with the powder in question.
BruceP

Graybeard · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2003, 10:25:44 AM »

Dunno if that will happen or not Bruce but unless the other powder companies jump on the 1/4 pound bandwagon I don't think they can afford to try that.

If they offered the quarters singlely I'm sure more folks would try them. I just can't see why a serious reloader would tho. Heck you'll always end up with something to use it in eventually if you're like me and are all the time trying new guns and calibers. Some of the stuff I don't initially find a real use for I later wish I had a 10 pound can of it sitting here when it gets discontinued just about the time I find a gun/cartridge combo it is the best thing going in. Things like H450, W680 and others I truly miss.

At gunshows I can almost always pick up a pound of most any kinda powder for at the most $16. I'm betting the 1/4 pound cans indivdual cost will not be a lot less and you'll be having to pay for three other 1/4 pound cans of something you may never want or need. DUMB idea if you ask me. Which by the way NO ONE HAS. :-D

GB

T/C nimrod · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2003, 10:42:40 AM »

Or, are we missing the bigger picture? Didn't Hogdon just aquire IMR? That stock just tripled, giving the marketing dept. a whole lotta pocket change to work with. So, with the new cartridges the market is carrying, why not a parrallel change from a powder company? Good marketing strategy, I'll give them that.

GB, I agree and disagree with you. The only people taking a loss on a move like that is us, not Hogdon. Just like you said, we won't have a choice in what combos are put together. I don't have a choice with the boxed juices I get for my children, they don't drink apple juice but they do drink the grape and orange juices that are packaged with them, so I buy them anyway. This powder combo will be the same thing. The "general" reloading community will buy the pack for maybe two of the offerings, and "stock" the other two until something comes around to try them in. Hogdon gets to set the price. The question is - how to do that? Do you price it competatively with the 1lb. and 8 lb. canisters, or do you price it as a convenience (higher then a 1 lb. canister)?

I, for one, don't like the future costs this move could possibly bring.

BruceP · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2003, 02:36:05 PM »

Graybeard you are right in that the other powder companies will have to get in the 1/4 lb. boat also before Hodgdon could do that with their prices, but if that boat will float the other companies will see the profit potential in it and be inclined to move the same direction. I don’t know if I would buy a four pack knowing I could only use two of those. If I had the need to try three of them but not the other yes I probably would. I like you like to try new and different guns and calibers and might be able to use the others later.
You are also right in that no serious reloader would continuously keep going back and buying 1/4 lb. at a time. But, I do know some that reload only about as many rounds a year as some people buy factory ammo. Unfortunately the last few years I have been close to that due to lack of time to shoot and hunt. I hope I can change that shortly. It's going to take several rounds to become proficient with my handguns and that is a goal I have set for myself.
BruceP

JBMauser · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2003, 05:29:20 PM »

Like all marketing plans it will be brilliant if it works and it will be a good try if it it flops. I would vote for it succeding to some degree (and that is the area of debate). I would buy a pack to try some new powders. I would think most of us have $$ tied up in powders we will use up eventually and not replenish. And there are some of you who have a hard time justifing another powder when you may have over a half a doz. on hand. The old 80 20 rule would state that we all would produce most (80%) of our loads with probaply 2 out of 10 of our inventory brands (20%) I have 3 Hodgdon powders in my current inventory of 10 powders and one is 777 and one I rarely use (Clays). They do not have to make money on this for it to be profitable. If they break even it is more successful than plain advertising which is all cost with direct revenue. Lazer cast will send you free bullets to try, I don't think the powder boys can do that even if they wanted to. Like I said they don't have to make a dime on this program, if it breaks even and they pick up a few customers for their other powders it's a big win for them. It's called market share. JB

thecowboyace · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2003, 09:52:12 PM »

I was going to start a topic on this and on bullets also. One quarter pound of powder and 25 bullets will tell you whether you like that particular one. Set it back with all of the data that one can think of when doing the reload. The whole 9.05 yards of it. Temp, humidity when loaded. Same when shot. Cartridge length then OAL, looking good on that one. Get same powder or bullet weight check it out. Then finish it on out for that particular gun. Then see if it works in the bolt action as it did in the slide/semi-auto etc.

I quit reloading several years ago and I cannot find but very little of my data on the .38, .357, .22 Hornet, .223, 22-250 .243, .270, 30-06, 7.62x39 and then this year I acquired a 7.65 Belgium Mauser (don't understand why but this caliber only has recommendations for 3 bullets, 150, 174 and 180 & the Net is short on it also because that is where I found the loads for that rifle. Wonder if the One Book - One Caliber to see if there are any lighter heavier loads recommended for it) and the 7.65 Russian. Found 2 of them for $80. One is 100%bluing 95% bore, 75% wood other a 90% bore, no bluing, 50-60% wood. Just couldnt turn 'em down. Got more guns than I can shoot of an afternoon at the range anyways.
Take care
God bless

When I was doing my reloading, I had some charts showing density of powders and I had worked my loads up by using density of powder so I could get about 70%+/- of case being full. Anyone out there know where to find this on the internet. I had got this list from a gun sales/repairs store that eventually went out of business when KMart started handling the basic RemWinSav in their lineup. D&D Guns had the repairs and sales of the other calibers of guns. Bad to see them go.

As for as the topic goes, I will buy powder by the 1/4lb. And would buy bullets in the 25 ct box. I dont' see where that will increase the amount that they would sell the 50 or 100 bullet/box. One will certainly have some extra money spent ahead of getting into the reloading of that "favorite, honey" round.

I bought 500 Remington bulk, 30cal for one of my guns and because that gun likes that particular bullet, remember this one from a long time ago but currently working up a powder for the solution for the "favorite" round. I am pretty certain it was an IMR because I used mainly that brand because of workups I did.

Old Syko · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2003, 01:48:17 AM »

GB hit the nail on the head right off. After dealing with the packaging industry for a few years I can assure you this is a case of the packaging costs exceeding the true cost of the product. I've been truely shocked to discover how many products I use that fall into this category. We use the product then throw away the expensive part of the purchase. The packaging industry will be the one to profit reguardless of the success or failure of this venture.

I agree with T/C nimrod on the fear of how this may effect our future expenses. I buy 1# cans to test only. I then buy in volume when it's time to load so this 4pac deal can't help me, but could hurt.

razmuz · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:25:50 AM »

I've never understood why ammo dealers don't break up a box of shells and sell them five at a time? They could double their money and we could try out new ammo to see how it shot without buying the whole box. They could put five in a Zip-Lock bag and charge $5 or whatever.

Graybeard · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2003, 08:50:16 AM »

Dang you guys are wanting smaller packages of everything. You need to get out and shoot more. I'm looking for bigger packages with more in them. Bullets should come 200-500 per pack and ammo by the 100 at least.

GB

razmuz · « **Reply #18 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:59:03 AM »

What are you going to do with 500 rounds that won't group in your rifle. You knew someone would ask that.

T/C nimrod · « **Reply #19 on:** December 19, 2003, 10:47:32 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

Dang you guys are wanting smaller packages of everything. You need to get out and shoot more. I'm looking for bigger packages with more in them. Bullets should come 200-500 per pack and ammo by the 100 at least.

GB

Well, I'm in agreement here. The only problem with this is the quality issue - I'm already weeding through boxes of 100, and segregating by weight and length. I can just imagine what would end up in lots of 200 or more.

Graybeard · « **Reply #20 on:** December 19, 2003, 12:12:31 PM »

Really the only bullets I've had a problem with in this regard are Barnes X Bullets. I just sold what I didn't want here on the Classifieds Forum. As for all others of all brands I've tried I've found them plenty good. I've had some guns that the RP PLHPs don't like but have found some they do also. I am always moving onto other guns and other chamberings but in the standard calibers I have no problem using them up when bought in 500 quantities or even 1000 at a time.

GB

BruceP · « **Reply #21 on:** December 19, 2003, 03:48:32 PM »

razmuz, I dont know if I would buy factory rifle or pistol ammo in small lots. I do have a local dealer that will break up a box of turkey loads for your shotgun and you can buy as few as you like to patteren your gun with. I have bought shotshells at about three of each kind to try for my turkey gun. Then when I find the best one I go back and buy a box preferable of the same lot if I remembered to write that down when I bought them.
BruceP

thecowboyace · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2003, 02:59:13 AM »

Graybeard, " the RP PLHPs ", I take it that this means "Remington-Peters Hollow Points but what does the "PL " mean?
TIA
By the way, slick board! Meant to say earlier.

BruceP · « **Reply #23 on:** December 20, 2003, 03:23:54 PM »

I'm not Graybeard but the PL stands for Power Lokt.
BruceP

Graybeard · « **Reply #24 on:** December 20, 2003, 05:29:23 PM »

Sorry, just now seeing this question but Bruce is correct. They are a plated bullet. The copper or whatever is plated onto the lead core. They were toted to be super accurate but sure haven't proven it to me.

GB

rickyp · « **Reply #25 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:27:48 AM »

About a month ago I started a trend saying how I wish powder company's would make and sell 1/4 lb lots.

If they are going to ship the powders in four 1/4 oz bottles, the dealers could be smart and break the packs up and just sell single bottles so customers can pick what powder they want or need.