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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2011, 03:22:41 PM »
A little more progress....
I guess trunion caps and a elevetion screw is next.






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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2011, 03:30:01 PM »
Winger Ed,
This is really coming together nicely.  I certainly can appreciate that the more hours you spend on a project the better the outcome.  Keep the pictures coming.
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2011, 03:40:20 PM »
Winger Ed,
This is really coming together nicely.  Zulu
Thanks bro.  I brought it home from the shop to work on, and its so cluttered here- its sort of embarassing.
I got the picture thing figured out using the site here. 
The address thiny I have to type for them at 'my hosted pics'is about 3 ft. shorter than some other sites.

I'll use 1" all thread rod for the post of the elevation screw,
and make something that looks close to the orig. outside 'jam nut' I guess you'd call it.
I've read that there has to be some sort of 'keeper' to prevent the barrel from flipping over under recoil.
I think I'll put some sort of short collar on the tube for the elev. post to go into, and have a pin go through them both.
The elevation would lock in at half turn increments- but it should work OK.
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2011, 04:04:56 PM »

 
I've read that there has to be some sort of 'keeper' to prevent the barrel from flipping over under recoil.
I think I'll put some sort of short collar on the tube for the elev. post to go into, and have a pin go through them both.
The elevation would lock in at half turn increments- but it should work OK.

Use friction tight cap squares on the trunnions.  Not only will they keep the barrel from rotating, then will keep the barrel from bouncing of the carriage when fired.

You can see them here on my Dom Dictator.  I don't believe the original dictator had them. It's a safty thing


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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2011, 11:20:17 PM »

  I don't believe the original dictator had them. It's a safty thing


Thanks.
I need a reality break every so often.
Sometimes I lose sight of the fact that I'm building a functioning:
'replica', instead of a 'scale model'.

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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2011, 02:24:04 PM »
Wow....
I always thought that as I got older, I'd be more caught up on work-a-day things,
and I'd have more time for my 'projects'.  Seems just the opposite is true.

Anyway-
I've had a chance to work on the mortar a bit more.
The barrel just didn't look right, so I added a few inches to the middle barrel band.
The extension was cut from the bottom part of the gas cylinder. 
I'm happier with the overall look & shape now.   
I'll never be able to get the cast Iron- 'soup pot' look, but hopefully it won't have a,
"Hey, that looks like a chopped off welding tank" apperance either.

Trunion caps are done, they're 1/4" angle stock, and the top & sides of the sled are tapped for bolts to hold them down.

A little more than 20 pounds of welding wire later, & a little Bondo;
I've gotten it primed, and almost ready to paint.  I hope to paint both pieces this weekend.





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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2011, 09:23:16 PM »
Ed,
Your project's almost at the finish line, and it's looking better with each photo installment.
Earlier you guesstimated the weight at 120 lbs X 3; have you given any thought to how you're going to tote the completed piece around?
RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2011, 01:52:22 PM »
have you given any thought to how you're going to tote the completed piece around?
Just from hefting the pieces around; the barrel has got to weigh a bit under 200 pounds,
and the sled feels like it is at least 250. 
I've got a young buck for a neighbor- he helps me move the pieces, or if he's not around,
I have to use a 'take apart' style of engine crane.

The 8 clamping bolts on the sides are really just for show.
I've scrounged some nice 1/4" plywood from a packing crate to cover the mid-section plates with. 
The lower four corner thru-bolts will have the original style extensions, more or less to scale. 
They're to short for wheels to attach,
but they'll make perfect lifting points for a sling made out of old cargo tie down straps.

To transport it:
I figure the mortar and the (disassembled) engine crane both will fit in the back of my F-250.
That'll work until I get a small tiltable trailer built for the crane & mortar to fit on together.
Getting the main piece of the crane in/out & put together is do-able, just sort of a hassle.

Another option: 
I'm the fabricator, painter, and welder for a high security safe & vault company.
I can borrow specialty safe moving trailers, lifting equip., and pallet jacks from the shop.
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2011, 01:50:18 AM »
Build an A frame  hoist.



That thing  breaks down into pieces for transport,

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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2011, 06:01:34 PM »
A little further along.......
The barrel looks OK in gloss black. 
But after I finish the wooden covered mid-section- I think I'll strip the bolts back out of it, mask the wood, and repaint it flat black.





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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2011, 06:52:41 PM »
Whew!!!  Its done.
I'll dig the engine crane out and put the barrel on,, hopefully tomorrow.

The elevation screw is a length of 3/4 Stainless 'allthread' rod.
I cut a piece of 3/4 Copper tubing and painted it silver to slip over it while its not being fired.
The inserts where the trunion sits are 2" wide brown (not red) harness leather.
The leather tightens the trunion up just right, and the trunion caps will cover it.



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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2011, 07:35:54 PM »
I like it Ed, the brass strips on the front and rear transoms are also a nice touch; very good!
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2011, 07:42:43 PM »
     Ed, we think you are doing a super job.  Everything looks great!  We are sure that you can make some neat looking 'Cap Squares' which will hold the trunnions tight in their notches in the mortar bed just fine.  We use leather pads to keep our tube tight on the iron bed of our 1797 half scale 8" U.S. Land Service Siege Mortar.  The tube doesn't move at all.


Use friction tight cap squares on the trunnions.  Not only will they keep the barrel from rotating, then will keep the barrel from bouncing off the carriage when fired.

You can see them here on my Dom Dictator.  I don't believe the original dictator had them. It's a safety thing.


     We didn't think they did either, Double D., but we were wrong.  I ran across this old photo from a year ago when I took my grandson to Denver's City Park where I showed him an 11" Dahlgren, a 100 Pdr. Parrott and this 1861, 13" Seacoast Mortar.  You can see along the upper, right cheek where one used to be before some flippin thief stole it (see the threaded stud sticking up?).




Make those cap squares, Ed; you'll be glad you did.

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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2011, 03:41:01 AM »
Ed,
This is really looking nice!  You have obviously spent many hours on it.
Many hours is the key to turning out a really nice project.  I think the end result is worth it.
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2011, 08:10:37 AM »
Ed , hi that has turned out to be a very nice looking mortar . It looks like your time and effort have been well spent .

Will you be going into production soon ? ;D

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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2011, 08:15:10 AM »
Ed, it must be the angle or sumpin, I can't see the EG&A on the  barrel... ;D

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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2011, 02:35:55 PM »
Ed,  Nice work!  Those hollow side plates are not the easiest thing to make.  Yours are first class.  Dom

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« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2011, 07:25:55 PM »
Ed, it must be the angle or sumpin, I can't see the EG&A on the  barrel... ;D
Its behind it actually.  A buddy did a tour of Recruiting Duty back in the 70's and snagged me the billboard/poster of a Marine F-4 Phantom in flight.  It takes up the entire garage wall on one side.

I can't thank you folks enough for all your support, help, and encouragement on this build.
Without it, this project would more nearly just be another long tube with a fuse hole,
supported by a tripod, and a shallow hole in the ground.
I still worry that the trunion mounts are a little too far back, and set too deep.
In the future I want to re-cut/move the pockets to where they belong, then do the caps correctly.

However; I doubt if I'll produce any more of these. 
I'll probably shoot this one a bunch, then sell it to someone who'll also use it.
I don't want it to end up hardly ever being used.... I've already got a single shot .50BMG like that.

The next project will probably be to build the carriage I really want for a 2 1/8" bore Howitzer-Ordanance Rifle (I'm not exactly sure what design it is) barrel I've had for a few years.

We've had the typical Dallas-Ft. Worth weather lately.  Storms & Tornados blowing around all day & night.  So it will be another couple days to dig out the crane and put this thing together---
Unless I can catch up with that big/husky, young buck neighbor...


   
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2011, 05:30:42 AM »
The 13" Dictator in front of the Iowa Capital building (serial number 1) had trunnion caps.  One of the 4 bolts was broken.  Hmmm.

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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2011, 05:31:22 AM »
I like it Ed, the brass strips on the front and rear transoms are also a nice touch; very good!

It's the presentation model.   ;D
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2011, 07:10:33 PM »
Well,,,
I still have a few little finishing touches, I guess there always is-
Thanks again for all the help.

I'm gonna call it done.








When the storms break, I'll take it outside and get some better pictures, one with a powder can-
But this is pretty much what its gonna look like....
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2011, 07:25:31 PM »
I'm gonna call it done.

Done, and done well; you did a heck of a job, Ed.
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Re: Winger Ed's Winter projects
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2011, 03:27:24 AM »
Ed,
That is outstanding!  The talent shown on this forum is a wonder.  It is obvious you take great pride in your work.
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