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Offline Strikenmike

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223 Recipes
« on: January 03, 2011, 06:06:20 AM »
I have browsed through a few pages of posts/replies and can not seem to find what I need, so hear goes.

I have in front of me a box of Sierra 55 gr spitzers for my 223 Ultra Rifle.

I need some ideas on reloading recipes for this bullet.

Currently using 25.5 grains of Varget with a 69 MK's.  I want to come up with a load for a smaller grain bullet.  Powder on hand...Varget, IMR4350 AND H335.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 06:19:48 AM »
I can’t help you with your powder on hand, but will say I’ve had very good results using 23.0 grains of IMR3031 with any 55 grain pill I’ve tried. Always less then 1 MOA in my Handi Rifle using premium bullets. Inexpensive 55 grain FMJ bullets such as the Priv Partisan are around 1.5 MOA.   
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 08:40:06 AM »
Quote from: Strikenmike on January 03, 2011, 06:06:20 AM
I have browsed through a few pages of posts/replies and can not seem to find what I need, so hear goes.

I have in front of me a box of Sierra 55 gr spitzers for my 223 Ultra Rifle.

I need some ideas on reloading recipes for this bullet.

Currently using 25.5 grains of Varget with a 69 MK's.  I want to come up with a load for a smaller grain bullet.  Powder on hand...Varget, IMR4350 AND H335.

First off forget about the 4350 , its way too slow burning for a 55g bullet in a case as small as the 223 , I never had much luck with Varget either , however - 24.5 grains of H335 did well with groups staying in the 3/4" area .

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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 08:52:12 AM »
Dime size groups with 23.8grn of Varget and a Nosler 55 BT, LC brass and a 1-12 twist.
  "                           23.9           "         Remington 55 FMJ,   "                  "
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 08:55:00 AM »
Winchester White Box 45gr JHP from Walmart, $13 for 40 rounds, have about 450rds stashed, no need to reload!!  ;D

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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 09:05:01 AM »
Must be nice Tim.  I am just starting to find components again.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2011, 10:06:19 AM »
+1 with Tim the Win white box shoot to well to bother reloading for the 223.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2011, 10:45:50 AM »
lucky   the only thing i can find the varmint winchester 40rnd white box is in 22-250 near me.  Ive been haven decent luck with remington UMC 55grn MC at $9/20 with the JHP at $13/20, and that is the cheapest I have found so far.  I do have a gander mtn 40 minutes away that I need to hit up sometime.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2011, 02:43:27 PM »
I've had good luck with H335 and Varget in the past, I did a little research on IMR 8082 XBR last night, it sounds promising if it can be found.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 08:11:48 PM »
I load Nosler 55gr bullets in front of 25.5gr of Winchester W748.  Gives me just under 3100fps velocity.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 11:10:54 PM »
I have yet to see or shoot a 223 that didn't like a load is H322 powder, a match primer and a 52 or 53 grain match bullet from a properly prepped case.

Just yesterday, I got a chance to shoot one of mine a bit. I had two different loads that shot exceptionally well, near 1/2" MOA to be more precise.



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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 12:19:31 AM »
I  just checked my Sierra manual. They seem to like Viht  N133. Next in line would be H335 with a charge weight from 23 grains up to 27.5 grains. 27.5 is a MAX. load. I haven't owned a 223 in years. Doesn't seem to do one thing better than my 204 Ruger or my 22-250. :o.  That statement should ruffle a few feathers of the 223 fans. ;D
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 02:05:09 AM »
Quote from: bobg on January 05, 2011, 12:19:31 AM
I haven't owned a 223 in years. Doesn't seem to do one thing better than my 204 Ruger or my 22-250. :o.  That statement should ruffle a few feathers of the 223 fans. ;D

You statement is completely true. Luckly it doesen't amount to a hill of beans. ;). You could make the same statement about hundreds of different items we use everyday.

 For example, if you had a 22LR, a 30/06, a 375 H&H mag and a 12 GA, and you loaded Your own ammunition. What other calibers would you ever really need? OK throw in a 45ACP 1911 as a side arm. ;)

What the 223 does it does efficiently and cost effectively. Its barrel will out live your 204s and do 90% of what your 22-250 will.  All while doing it with at least a 25% savings in powder.

Personally I sold off my bigger 22 CFs and kept the 223. It's a personal choice and I haven't regretted it one bit. The bigger 22 CFs have thief place, personally I feel it's just a smaller notch than most people realize or care to acknowledge. That's fine too cause new and different calibers keep things moving and fresh and that's good for all of us.

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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 02:39:59 AM »
  Thank you CW for letting me know my statement wasn't worth a hill of beans. We all have opinions and we both have stated ours.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 03:37:21 AM »
Moderator here...Rule #1:  you guys stop poking each other in the eye.

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Quote from: bobg on January 05, 2011, 12:19:31 AM
That statement should ruffle a few feathers of the 223 fans. ;D
you threw down the Gauntlet but cwlongshot didn't have to pick it up. 

Now, refer back to Rule #1.

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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 03:49:39 AM »
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Quote from: cwlongshot on January 04, 2011, 11:10:54 PM
I have yet to see or shoot a 223 that didn't like a load is H322 powder, a match primer and a 52 or 53 grain match bullet from a properly prepped case.

Am I glad to hear that Brie!   ;D  Tim just convinced me to buy a pound of H322 to try in my 45-120, and I just got a 223.  Never even looked at 322 before.   :-\  But powders is like wimmins!  There a lot a good ones out there that you gotta go through before you find a great one!   ;D
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 04:23:18 AM »
I bought a Handi .22-250 for a 4 to 500 yard fox/coyote riflle.  I just never got there with it.  I bought a new .223, bore sighted it, sighted it in at 35 yards and smacked a pigeon with it at over 300 with junk Russian ammo.  Do I like it?  The .22-250 may well be for sale.  I have the dies and components to handload for the .223, but I haven't done it yet.  Too involved with my pistol calibers and the .38-55 and .45-70.

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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 05:41:00 AM »
Pete, You should sell all those worthless guns you have but those last two ;D
I was close to getting a 22-250 Handi here lately but I seem to think most I've heard about them hasn't been that good. Think I'll think on it some more, MAYBE ::)

I thought I'd never own a 223 but have about 5 of them now, unless another is hiding from me again ;D

You say you have Varget and 335, start with some and work your way up till you get what you like.

Tim, you bought them for $13.00 a While back. Someone posted finding them at Meijers for $17-18 the other day. I went to two Meijers here and they are $23 on sale $2 off. I still have one box left from about when you got yours but I don't recall them doing so great for me. Think I'll split them up between these barrels and try them out. Then I'll have 40 more pieces of brass ;D  Same with the 22-250s I have from when they cost about what the 223s did ;) More Brass ::) Probably getting old, time to rotate stock :)
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2011, 05:53:26 AM »
Quote from: bigvarmnt on January 05, 2011, 05:41:00 AM
Tim, you bought them for $13.00 a While back.

Yup, about 5-6yrs ago, it's $25 a box now at Walmart.  :-\

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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 08:42:25 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on January 05, 2011, 05:53:26 AM
Quote from: bigvarmnt on January 05, 2011, 05:41:00 AM
Tim, you bought them for $13.00 a While back.

Yup, about 5-6yrs ago, it's $25 a box now at Walmart.  :-\

Tim


That's still a good price for 40 rounds... especially since they shoot so good. ;)



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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 11:29:26 AM »
Quote from: AtlLaw on January 05, 2011, 03:49:39 AM
Quote from: Land_Owner on January 05, 2011, 03:37:21 AM
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Quote from: cwlongshot on January 04, 2011, 11:10:54 PM
I have yet to see or shoot a 223 that didn't like a load is H322 powder, a match primer and a 52 or 53 grain match bullet from a properly prepped case.

Am I glad to hear that Brie!   ;D  Tim just convinced me to buy a pound of H322 to try in my 45-120, and I just got a 223.  Never even looked at 322 before.   :-\  But powders is like wimmins!  There a lot a good ones out there that you gotta go through before you find a great one!   ;D

Hello Richard!!

 I do like the H322 for the 223 and its a very good one for the 444Marlin too. I see no reason why it wouldn't be a good choice for the 45 120 too!!!

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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 01:58:13 PM »
Tried the White box but was not impressed...However, the cases work real good with IMR3031 and 50 grainers in my 223.....off a rest, 5 inside a nickel at my backyard range....life is tough....wish I could get more than 65 yards to practice on.   I liked the 3031 so much I bought 5 lbs...that aught to last a while with the 223.
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2011, 02:38:49 AM »
I also use the 3031 .Kurt
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Re: 223 Recipes
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2011, 02:15:49 PM »
Wow, I find myself agreeing with Sourdough on something.  Amazing.

55 gr Nosler BT with Win 748.  I worked up a bit more powder, but had to pull some when high pressure signs showed up when working them up for a Ruger M77 MKII.  Just don't like to have rounds stored that won't shoot in any firearm that I have chambered for that caliber.

I make an exception to that rule with the 44 mag and Lee 310gr RF/GC cast loads, but I mark them "not for 629! - Win 94 only"
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