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US Rep. Shot in AZ
« on: January 08, 2011, 09:04:57 AM »
U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head during a public event in Tucson this morning. The Pima County sheriff told MSNBC Giffords is still alive but in very critical condition. A friend told the network the congresswoman was in surgery.

Giffords was holding an event outside a grocery store when a man ran up and started shooting, witnnesses said. The sheriff told MSNBC five people were killed and six were wounded, including some members of her staff. One witness says three bodies are covered with sheets outside the Safeway store.

The sheriff said the gunman has been captured.

Giffords has represented Arizona's 8th Congressional district since 2007 and is a member of the Blue Dog Coalition of conservative Democrats. She narrowly defeated tea party-backed Republican Jesse Kelly to win a third House term in November.

Giffords' congressional office in Tucson was vandalized in March after she voted in favor of the health care reform bill. Sarah Palin included Giffords on a list of Democratic candidates who should be defeated in the midterm elections because of their support for the health care overhaul.

"We are just devastated. This community is devastated," Sylvia Lee, a friend of Giffords', said on CNN. "No matter what side of the political realm you're on, this is just a tragedy that is unspeakable."

"She was an incredibly dedicated community servant. She was always willing to talk to her constituents, she was very visible."

Democratic strategist Donna Brazile reacted to the shooting with this message on Twitter: The increasing levels of incivility, intolerance and a political climate that favors those who threatens, bully others must end. I am so sad

Giffords has served on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs and the House Committee on Armed Services, according to her election website.

Giffords previously served in the Arizona legislature and State Senate and was CEO of El Campo Tire, her family's tire and automotive business.

The election website describes Giffords as "a longtime gun owner and strong supporter of the Second Amendment."

Giffords, 40, married astronaut Mark E. Kelly in 2007. She was the first Jewish woman elected to Congress from Arizona.
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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 09:24:02 AM »
Was the shooter an "Illegal" I wonder?
Sounds like a planned assasination.
A tragedy for sure.
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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 09:33:38 AM »
The account I read indicated the shooter was a white male in his early 20's, and is in custody. At this time his motive is unknown. The unfortunate part about this, other than the human carnage, is the the negative protrayal it paints of responsible gun owners. I can hear the anti-gun machine firing up as I type.
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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 10:31:11 AM »
the wife was watching something on msnbc when this happened. i finely told her to turn to fox. the woman on msnbc ask about the auto handgun so many times i lost count the gun grabber even ask the hospital spoke person about what kind of hand gun it was( semi, auto are what).and yes they said it was a 22 year old white male combat vet. :( :'(

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 10:56:41 AM »
Seems planned. Doesn't look good for constituents who want to meet their congressman. Was Reagan the most recent victim of an assassination attempt?

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http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/03/sarahpac-puts-democrats-in-gun-sights/

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2011, 11:29:51 AM »
Seems planned. Doesn't look good for constituents who want to meet their congressman. Was Reagan the most recent victim of an assassination attempt?

Bad pub for Sarah
http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/03/sarahpac-puts-democrats-in-gun-sights/


Yup- its sarah's fault! Or maybe the federal judge that got shot was the actual target?

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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2011, 11:57:17 AM »
No, it's Bush's fault. He let the large cap magazine law expire.

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2011, 12:25:43 PM »
Either way, it was just plain wrong.

Political assassinations are third world.  The vote is the correct way to respond, not the gun.

It's another sad day in or country's history.

Let me be clear.  I'm a conservative, and I'm outraged by such actions.  
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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2011, 12:36:07 PM »
Seems planned. Doesn't look good for constituents who want to meet their congressman. Was Reagan the most recent victim of an assassination attempt?

Bad pub for Sarah
http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/03/sarahpac-puts-democrats-in-gun-sights/



 You'd think she or someone on her staff would take that down. 

Yep, sad day all around. For the victims and for all legitimate gun owners. Here's the latest news I've seen, they identify the shooter and have a link to something he posted on youtube.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-shot-in-tucson/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 01:37:55 PM »
Definitely not a good thing for us.   News media is already reporting that it was a 9mm Glock with an "extended" magazine. Can already hear them clamoring for another hicap ban - quite likely 6 rounds next time around. :(

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2011, 02:00:17 PM »
I thought it was interesting how the second article I read on the event mentioned Sarah Palin three times. What the heck did she have to do with this?
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 02:24:30 PM »
I too am deeply saddened by these stupid events. Very sad for the victims, disgusted with the perps and mystified how to find some effective ways to stop the perps while preserving our shooting rights. 

I haven't seen the article discussing Palin but its so weird that some Palin haters are so hysterical they blame her for everything - almost as crazy as this shooter is.
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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2011, 02:59:50 PM »
The latest I heard was that the shooter was rejected by the Army, but they would not say way.

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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2011, 03:30:19 PM »
The latest I heard was that the shooter was rejected by the Army, but they would not say way.

What I've been able to find is sketchy.  He seems to be an anarchist at heart rather than either left OR right wing.  Almost makes it worse.  They won't be able to pin this on EITHER political party, but they'll certainly be blaming gun owners.

What I find particularly sad was something I realized when reading a different (non-firearms site).  Someone was claiming that non of those "beneficial" guns in society did anything to stop this guy - kinda hinting that CCW wasn't useful.  Then I realized: this shooting occurred on government property.  CCW holders wouldn't have been able to carry into this meeting.  As always, you can see how well such laws work against people who don't obey the laws.  All that rule did was make the honest man a target while the criminal just ignores them like always :(.

UPDATE: This is a Youtube video posted by someone using the suspects name a bit prior to the shooting (December 15).  As the news article that linked it mentioned, if this is legit, then the mental competency of the suspect is questionable - it literally makes no sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uRjwPWaxiY

Additional videos posted by the individual in the last month or two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNx0WThoF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhAx8WzNJT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Wr6AeZTCE

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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2011, 04:21:24 PM »
I ask you: where are the intelligent and articulate mass murderers? Purely works of fiction, apparently.

Seriously, though, where were the cops? This was a political rally with a bunch of high profile people attending. Isn't there supposed to be police protection at such events? Even a lot of small entertainment events hire off duty cops to keep the peace.

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2011, 05:37:10 PM »
The notion of relying on police for protection is folly at best.
The "gunsights" on Palins web site having anything to do with this should cause this to be moved to conspiracy theories.

Though we may not like what happens from time to time in DC, I abhore some of the actions of the elected. Some of their votes could be seen as unConstitutional and seems some downright are, I am not ready to give up on the ballot box just yet. The "vote from the rooftops" actions of this person was a hostile move in the wrong direction. IMO of course. I'll wait for more information before I go further.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2011, 06:29:50 PM »
The notion of relying on police for protection is folly at best.
The "gunsights" on Palins web site having anything to do with this should cause this to be moved to conspiracy theories.

Though we may not like what happens from time to time in DC, I abhore some of the actions of the elected. Some of their votes could be seen as unConstitutional and seems some downright are, I am not ready to give up on the ballot box just yet. The "vote from the rooftops" actions of this person was a hostile move in the wrong direction. IMO of course. I'll wait for more information before I go further.

 I think it "LOOKS" like shes calling for violence,but I don't think she really meant it that way. I think its just stupid and irresponsible,but I don't think she REALLY means that people should resort to violence. I think she means it in a sarcastic sort of way. Still,its a short jump for someone that is unhinged to "agree" and do something crazy. Yes,crazy people will do crazy things without being encouraged. But MORE crazy people will do MORE crazy things if you start fanning the flames. Did that kind of inflammatory rhetoric cause this? There is no way to know.

 On the other hand,yes,the media are going to try to find not only legitimate examples of people pushing the line but cast perfectly innocent events as inflamatory. Take for example an article that talks about her challengers fundraisers where he let supporters shoot a machine gun. They were trying to show this as somehow inflammatory. Thats pure BS. Its something fun that he knows his supporters would like to try doing,and presumably it required a donation. It shows his support for gun rights and reminds people of his military background. Unless they were shooting at pictures of his opponent I don't see the connection.

The quote from his campaign was

"I don't see the connection," between the fundraisers featuring weapons and Saturday's shooting, said John Ellinwood, Kelly's spokesman. "I don't know this person, we cannot find any records that he was associated with the campaign in any way. I just don't see the connection. Arizona is a state where people are firearms owners — this was just a deranged individual."

 and I have to agree with it 100%

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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2011, 06:43:59 PM »
One of the democrats being interviewed today "It should outrage everyone and we must do something about it"  Got any doubts what he is talking about?
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2011, 08:13:43 PM »
Pray for her continued recovery, and continued commitment to the 2A. Sounds like the guys a whackjob, as are all the spin pundits who are trying to lay blame around anyone's neck that they happen to not like.
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2011, 02:11:41 AM »
I thought it was interesting how the second article I read on the event mentioned Sarah Palin three times. What the heck did she have to do with this?
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2011, 02:17:59 AM »
There weren't any cops there. Why? The killer was eventually tackled by brave unarmed people.

It seems to me that some police presence should have been requested, or the police who surely knew of the event should have assigned a cop to stay close to the event. Now something like 17 citizens are dead or injured because this dangerous situation was created in a context where they should have been protected. There was very poor planning here.

It now emerges in the news that congressmen are reluctant to hire security for these events because it sends a bad political message. So here we have an example of what happens because of this policy. Attacks on the innocent in a place known by the attacker to be free from opposition.

The question to be answered publicly is the chain of decisions that were made to put the public in harms way yesterday, and who made those decisions.

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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2011, 02:26:48 AM »
Political assassinations are third world.  The vote is the correct way to respond, not the gun

Obama is turning us into a third world country, so way would you expect the people not to act as third world?

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2011, 03:51:22 AM »
I was listening to KGO (San Fransico) last night and one of their super lib talkers couldn't blame Sarah Palin, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh enough.  I'm wondering if the same would have been the case if the Congress person would have been a Republican.

If anyone thinks that the presence of guns in our society is the cause of incidents such as this and that if guns were eliminated they would stop, think again.  How many people would have been killed if some crazy just aims his vehicle at the crowd and guns it?

At all events where politics are part of the proceedings, there should be at least a couple of plain-clothed armed guards who are watching and ready to take out the nuts.
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2011, 04:01:04 AM »
It is very disturbing that this event had no police presence. Brave citizens tackled the killer. We learn now from NPR that congressmen are reluctant to hire security for these events because it sends a bad political message. We need a public explanation of why no police protection was requested for this event and why the police, knowing of the event, did not post an officer nearby.

This bad decision put the public in harms way, and resulted in killing or maiming of avout seventeen innocent civilians.  And for what? Because of an entrenched policy of ignoring risks for political gain.

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2011, 04:47:46 AM »
Where was Sherrif Joe?

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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2011, 06:11:30 AM »
Joe is in Maricopa county not Pima county.
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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2011, 08:45:33 AM »
The latest update on Rep. Giffords condition!
The Doctors say she is responding to simple commands. That is a great sign! The bullet actually went through some portion of her brain, and they say it's uncommon to survive such a wound. Much less be able to communicate.So far swelling of the brain has not been a problem, and was is one of their main concerns.They are keeping her in a medically induced comma, and waking her periodically to communicate with her.

Forget the politics! It makes little difference who she is, and what she is about.
This lady, as well as the others shot need our prayers. 
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Re: US Rep. Shot in AZ
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2011, 09:12:33 AM »
I just wonder why she or the venue did not have a protective detail. I would have. Hope she overcomes. Nobody deserves such cowardly acts.

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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2011, 09:26:32 AM »
I was listening to KGO (San Fransico) last night and one of their super lib talkers couldn't blame Sarah Palin, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh enough.  I'm wondering if the same would have been the case if the Congress person would have been a Republican.

If anyone thinks that the presence of guns in our society is the cause of incidents such as this and that if guns were eliminated they would stop, think again.  How many people would have been killed if some crazy just aims his vehicle at the crowd and guns it?

At all events where politics are part of the proceedings, there should be at least a couple of plain-clothed armed guards who are watching and ready to take out the nuts.

I agree all need our prayers. As far as guns being to blame, crazies will always find a way. On the other hand, since there were no police nor guards, if just one of the people in the crowd had a CCW and fired back a lot of grief might have been saved!