Measuring interest in 300 AAC BLACKOUT factory chambering

[dave29]

I wouldn't mind having a suppressed rifle, but not bad enough to pay $600-$800 for one, I can save my hearing with custom hearing devices for less and use them with any firearm. 

Tim

Don't forget about another $200 for the NFA Stamp as well.

[quickdtoo]

I didn't forget it, $300-$400 for the rifle, $100-$200 for the can and $200 for the NFA =$600- $800 by my calculatin. 

Tim

[rsilvers]

I didn't forget it, $300-$400 for the rifle, $100-$200 for the can and $200 for the NFA =$600- $800 by my calculatin. 

Tim

That can is $795.


http://clydearmory.com/aac-cyclone-k.html

[45-70.gov]

you can see the sights  over the  can?
my can is too   big for that
mine [357/38] has a red-dot.....works better at night  anyway
seems  like a rail and mote carlo stock would be better

[rsilvers]

In pictured form, The rifle, no silencer is 6.14lbs 29” overall
16.1” barrel
There is no other HandiRifle with a 16 inch barrel, as far as I know.
It will be lighter and shorter with the synthetic stock.
 

[Jason F]

When are you gonna start selling them I want one without the can

[rsilvers]

We are still collecting info to decide if we will sell them.

I know little about HandiRifles, but is the rear sight that far forward for a reason? Can it be located closer to the shooter for more sight radius?

[quickdtoo]

That's the normal position for the barrel sight, it's not so bad on a normal length barrel, but sight position can always be changed before the final product is offered, but that may require a different height front sight due to barrel profile, or just use a chamber mounted peep sight if it's drilled and tapped for a scope mount as are all modern H&Rs.

Tim

[Jason F]

A buffalo classic rear sight would be nice on a short barrel

[rsilvers]

This one?





http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=36260/pid=16154/Product/WGRS_HR_Fits_H_R_Top_Handi_Rifles__Ruger__22_Mk_II_d_t_req_?utm_medium

[Jason F]

That's it

[rsilvers]

I will order one and try it. Part number 962-100-158.
Does anyone think the rifle should just come with this? Or would it get in the way of using a red dot or something and then you would not have the barrel-mounted rear sight

[45-70.gov]

We are still collecting info to decide if we will sell them.

I know little about HandiRifles, but is the rear sight that far forward for a reason? Can it be located closer to the shooter for more sight radius?

how about this one from skinner ...if your stuck  on  iron sights
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=227514.0;attach=51394;image


but  i beleive  optics  ready with proper  comb to be a better way to go

[Jason F]

I was just sugesting the buffalo classic sight to spread sights out on such a short barrel I would definately scope it if I had one

[Dinny]

XS Sights make a scope rail with a built in peep sight. I think that would be the best of both worlds. Just install your optics with QR rings and use iron sights as a backup.





Maybe something similar to the sight pictured?




Thanks, Dinny

[Jason F]

As long as they are drilled and taped for base with the option of open sights that would be perfect

[45-70.gov]

As long as they are drilled and taped for base with the option of open sights that would be perfect

when is the last time you or any one you know ever took off the scope to use irons??


as  for the see through under the scope..............


i like a stock  for the elevation  of the sighting system
if the sights  fail......thats why you have a handgun


also  a red dot works good at night......so does the  can


seems like a lot  of money  to waste with crappy sights


if you can  afford the can you can probly  afford  night vision scope
all that  money.........and an  ill fitting stock


if it  were  me....and  i am sure they  know more than  me
i would go with  high comb  stock that comes with scoped  motels
offset  hammer......[not  needed  with red-dot  tho]
and a scope rail....the  picatiny ones


open sights  and those stocks for  them  wouldn't even be a consideration

[quickdtoo]

The BC sight is a Williams WGRS, H&R sells it for $25.10 shipped, part #FR03019, a taller front sight is definitely required for it tho.


Tim

[Ol BW]

I voted Quick!  +1 for!
 
Sounds like a great idea.  That is the intention I had with getting a 7.62x39, and loading for a "poor man's Whisper" (just getting started)  Would there be factory subsonic loadings as well as supersonic for this round?
 
We Handi guys have taken enough knocks about our rifles, and we really don't want an unsuccessful chambering that is not done right to add to that.  That being said....
 
I think that if Remington would really get behind it they could work out any bugs and make it work.  The H&R seems to be the "redheaded stepchild" in Remington's lineup. 
 
If they did it right the first time, this may breathe new life into our favorite rifle!
 
I would like barrel length and threading be an option.  Many would prefer 22" but I realize that 16" would probably be a good length for this round.  (carbine round?)  I am on the fence about barrel length. . .depending on the intended use, either could be ideal.
 
As far as sights or scopes, I would vote for a scope rail.  Scopes are far more reliable now than when your daddy bought his.  Add to that all the red dot and tactical scopes out there, whats not to love. 
 
I would like to see an option for ghost ring sights for those who wanted a ultra reliable tactical model, but a red dot seems to negate this.
 
I like iron sights also, but I am willing to admit, and have seen several times, the first thing I or others want to do is add a scope.  Especially after you see what a rifle with even a cheap (sorry, inexpensive) modern scope can do at a distance.  I think that this little round could be loaded to be a great performer at 100  yards.
 
If you really wanted to go tactical, figure a way to put a laser sight on it!
 
My $.02 worth.   

[Dinny]

when is the last time you or any one you know ever took off the scope to use irons??

I had to do that a few years ago when my red dot sight got water on the lens while hunting in the rain. I only wished that my rifle had iron sights! Instead I had to switch to a conventional 3-9x40 rifle scope. Lucky for me, the woods were dense and so was the deer.   By the time I had everything switched, the deer was only 15yds away and I was able to make the shot. Iron sights would have simplified the process.


I do understand the dilemma with having two different heights of sights and stock comb heights. Perhaps there's a a happy medium and it has something to do with a lower hammer for mounting scopes lower.




Thanks, Dinny

[gcrank1]

On that pic of the rail with peep, I doubt if that front sight is near tall enough for a 50-100 yd. -0-.

[Spanky]

I'm all for new and interesting chamberings for the Handi's but I have some questions.
Is it primarily designed for use with a can? Some states don't allow cans to be used for hunting so how does it compare to others like a 30-30 or 7.62x39 without suppression?
Simply put (and respectfully)... is there a real gain or benefit to this cartridge over some of the existing chamberings in a Handi?
Thanks.
 
 
 
Spanky

[gcrank1]

Niche market for sure; low volume sales Im afraid.
As interesting as this is, I would spend $800 + on a Ruger No.1; but thats just me.

[Dinny]

Spanky,
  When loaded with heavy-for-caliber bullets, I think it does more than the calibers you listed. Especially with a 1:8" twisted barrel.

"Full power 123 grain ammunition matches the ballistics of the 7.62x39mm AK, has 37% more energy than 5.56mm M855, and 9% more than 6.8 SPC TAP 110. In fact, from a 9 inch barrel, the 300BLK has more muzzle energy than 5.56mm M855 from a 16 inch barrel. When 300 BLK is used in a 16 inch barrel, it has 23% more energy than 5.56mm M855 from a 16 inch barrel - with much higher-mass projectiles for a more dramatic effect on the target. Or choose subsonic cartridges for optimal use with a sound suppressor - 220 grain Sierra OTM (open-tip match) bullets vastly outperforms a 9mm MP5-SD in penetration and long range accuracy.
Due to the high efficiency of the cartridge, less powder is used than 5.56mm, which results in a rifle that is a comfortable to shoot - even with a short barrel."



More info can be found here: http://300aacblackout.com/




Thanks, Dinny

[rsilvers]

This is mostly an inexpensive way for people to get into suppressed shooting - not just with subsonic ammo, but there are lots of full power loads on the way.


For the AR15, 300 BLK is good even without a suppressor because it can hold 30 rounds in a normal magazine, and 30-30 and 7.62x39 does not work well or at all.


For a HandiRifle, with no intention of ever owning a suppressor, you would be better off with 30-30, as even if the recoil were too much with 30-30, there are reduced-recoil 30-30 loads out there.


But this is getting suppressor people interested in the HandiRifle, and HandiRifle people interested in suppressors.

[gcrank1]

GOOD points, I had not looked at it that way (since Im kinda outa that loop).
Thanx for the 'clarification'.

[Spanky]

This is mostly an inexpensive way for people to get into suppressed shooting - not just with subsonic ammo, but there are lots of full power loads on the way.


For the AR15, 300 BLK is good even without a suppressor because it can hold 30 rounds in a normal magazine, and 30-30 and 7.62x39 does not work well or at all.


For a HandiRifle, with no intention of ever owning a suppressor, you would be better off with 30-30, as even if the recoil were too much with 30-30, there are reduced-recoil 30-30 loads out there.


But this is getting suppressor people interested in the HandiRifle, and HandiRifle people interested in suppressors.

 
Thanks very much. I wish we could hunt with cans here in NY but unfortunately it's a no no.   I do like the idea of the 1 in 8 twist in a 30 cal. barrel. I'll be watching with interest.
 
 
 
Spanky

[S A Webbx1]

What the 300 BLK can do that the 30-30 can't is stabilize a 250gr. bullet at subsonic speed. Without the can it will hit hard and be relatively quiet. Load it like a 32-20. Load it like a 30-30.  How heavy can you go with the 357 maximum and be stabile subsonic? Bet it would be ideal for the custom butcher. Got something really big and tough? Keep a few rnfp 250gr. handy. The range of bullet weights and velocities possible is interests me. Mild to wild, light to heavy.


Essay Webb

[myarmor]

I am really late to the party here, but I would love to have a barrel chambered for this little round. It fits a niche I have very nicely.
Are you considering selling chambered barrels or would you want to sell a complete rifle only?
A barrel is all I need, I can do the fitting up myself.
 
 
 
 
-Aaron

[Spanky]

What the 300 BLK can do that the 30-30 can't is stabilize a 250gr. bullet at subsonic speed. Without the can it will hit hard and be relatively quiet. Load it like a 32-20. Load it like a 30-30.  How heavy can you go with the 357 maximum and be stabile subsonic? Bet it would be ideal for the custom butcher. Got something really big and tough? Keep a few rnfp 250gr. handy. The range of bullet weights and velocities possible is interests me. Mild to wild, light to heavy.


Essay Webb

 
Would it be a cast only proposition with the heavy bullets like that? It doesn't seem like the case capacity is there to push big bullets very fast and I'd be concerned about whether or not jacketed bullets would expand at subsonic speeds.
 
 
 
Spanky