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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2011, 12:29:08 PM »


Lakota,
you need proof.  Read the post about the dead girl.
Stupidity with no gun = a fun nite you will relive and laugh about when you are old.
Stupidity with gun = 1 dead girl and 1 boy who after he goes to prison will wish he was dead


BS. Stupidity with no gun would just equal a dead girl by some other means. You cant fix stupid and you cant legislate it out of existence. And a post about a girl killed by a moron with a gun in a college dorm doesnt make the Brady Campaign drivel about how you are more likely to be injured by a gun kept for personal defense true
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2011, 01:44:53 PM »
Sorry for the strong statement. Im new to these forums. Not so sure i like them either. With nobody ever talking face to face, anyone can say anything, sometimes the truth, sometimes a satement to just get some  reactions. I dont know which. Ill sit back and read for a while and not comment.

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2011, 01:54:27 PM »
Dang Gramps! Alot of people on this forum wish that was the worst thing I had ever said on here.

You need to ramp it up a little so maybe I will look more normal.   ;D

This thread is just beating a dead horse at this point anyway..............................
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2011, 04:33:33 PM »
I'm not gonna blame anyone for inciting Loughner.  He's a wacko, pure and simple, and not a newbie in that respect.  But what bothers me is that the NRA and Gun Owners of America seem to be fine with this wacko having a weapon.  I'd like to read a definitive "YES" or "NO" from both organizations.  Same with that POS from Va Tech.

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2011, 05:20:23 AM »
This guy wanted to kill period. If guns were not available he would have just found another weapon. One more gun law wont prevent things like this look at how well the thoushands of laws on the books already are doing.
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2011, 07:29:45 AM »
Just a simple YES or NO is asking too much?

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2011, 12:31:13 PM »
Automobiles kill; let's ban them!

It would not work for the government to ban guns. Such would make it profitable for a black market to exist in the gun trade. (When people want something, it will be made available.) This would bring the most criminal element into gun sales.

The ban on drugs hasn't worked has it?
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2011, 02:08:58 PM »
Some part of "YES or NO" you folks have a hard time understading?

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2011, 03:08:31 PM »
Some part of "YES or NO" you folks have a hard time understading?

 Of course he shouldnt have been able to buy a gun but this aint a perfect world. What do you propose? Ban private gun ownership because there is a slight chance that a gun may fall into the hands of a deranged lunatic?

Like someone above said maybe we should ban automobiles since there is a slight chance one could wind up in the wrong hands and a car is a much better tool for mass murder as you can just run people down wholesale and there is little to no chance of defending against one.
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2011, 04:15:26 PM »
Not at all.  But the NICS has provisions regarding mental illness reporting (by the states to the feds).  Something that has been sorely lacking on the part of the states.  That needs to be tightened up and made mandatory, and will be soon.  Va Tech will soon be on the short end of a couple of wrongful death suits based on that negligence.  Simply put, the laws on the books need to enforced, as the NRA should agree.

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2011, 04:28:43 PM »
Vinny, the weapons you are talking about were the most modern military arms at the time. The reason for the second amendment is not for hunting it is to give the PEOPLE the power to rise up over an oppresive government. Actually alot of the patriots were armed with w weapn even more effective than the military, the rifle. It was not well suited to the mass formation battle but it played hell on the officers and in guerilla attacks.
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2011, 04:31:18 PM »
I think it's highly unlikely any gun restrictions will come from this AND I think it would benefit gun owners and gun rights advocates to take a deep breath and not whip themselves up into the kind of screaming "you ain't gettin' my guns" frenzy that the leftist media loves to capture on camera and tape.

The house is in Republican hands AND there are also dozens of strong Democratic gun rights advocates in the house that would never vote for a ban no matter who wanted it.  The Senate is closely divided and even though the Democrats control it, if you count the NRA rankings there's no way.  

Beyond Congress, the last thing Obama needs is another huge fight on his hands.  The re-election mountain he needs to climb starting next year just keeps getting higher every day.  He's not stupid, he isn't going to start shoveling more dirt on top of a damn tall mountain.   The states just shifted strongly toward Republican control and least everyone forget, our friend on the Supreme Court just affirmed last year--FINALLY!--that the 2nd amendment is an individual right, not just a right held by state controlled entities.  So here's what I think we gun owners need to do to take advantage of the situation and beat the gun grabbers at their own game:

1.  Calm down.
2.  Keep the focus on the fact that the AZ shooter was severely deranged and mentally unstable.  This incident was caused by the failure of the AZ government, social services, his community college, and his parents.  They either knew or should have known that he was mentally unstable and gotten him help or had him committed to a mental institution.  Instead they shrugged off their responsibility and people died.

There were plenty of signs that this guy was dangerous, but a whole list of people personally failed to do something or put in place laws that would do something to protect society from him.  

3.  We firearms owners are law abiding citizens and as such we should take the law and order stance which is that mentally ill people need to receive treatment because if they don't the community is unsafe.  It's nothing to do with guns.   A mentally ill person could just as easily buy 200 pounds of fertilizer and some diesel fuel.

This incident wasn't cause by guns.   It was caused by the personal failure of liberal politicians and bureaucrats and parents to put in place the things that make it possible to get treatment for a mentally ill person before he kills people.


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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2011, 05:56:01 PM »
Those things ARE in place, but grossly underfunded.

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2011, 03:07:00 AM »
Where and how do you draw the line with mental illness? Should you not be able to purchase a gun because five years ago you were treated for depression after a loss of a child? What about a cop that has signs of post traumatic stress syndrome after being involved in a gun fight and is treated. It would be easy to place a "mental illness" label on many of our gulf war vets.  "Mental illness" is a very broadly used term that can apply to something very significant, or not. I see this issue as a very slippery slope where those "in power" could start saying who is and who is not mentally ill. I would say that some of you on this board would consider me mentally ill due to some of my liberal beliefs.  :(
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2011, 03:56:52 AM »
anyone in the mood for a differing opinion:

a wacko should not be able to purchase a weapon and clips who'se only useful purpose is to
efficiently kill a maximum amount of people.    he was tackled while he was changing clips.
his intention was to kill even more.

i really enjoyed the member's post quoting washington, the adams boys, the federalist papers, etc.
in their day, the weapon of choice was the musket.  the musket took time to reload.  if i am correct here are the steps:

#1
Pull back on the firing striker so it is in the half-cocked position, exposing the flash pan where the flint spark ignites the shot. Pour a little gun powder directly into the flash pan, then return the striker to the start position, closing the flash pan.
#2
Turn the musket so the barrel is pointing up and the butt of the rifle is resting on the ground for support while loading. Pour the remaining powder from the measurement or cartridge into the end of the musket.
#3
Put a minie ball, a musket ball, into the end of the musket barrel. Place the paper from the cartridge, or the wadding cloth, in the barrel as well.
#4
Pull the rammer, or ramrod, from the insert on the musket. Line up the rammer with the barrel opening and push the rod into the barrel, jamming the minie ball and wadding all down into the musket and packing it in. Return the rammer to its spot on the musket and the weapon is read to fire.

4 time consuming steps. 

washington, adams and jefferson were smart. 
do you think if they are dealing with tec 9s, ar 15s, uzis etc with 40 round mags ; that
they might have seen the need for a bit of control?

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Now ask yourself this question:  how the hell are the armed citizenry supposed to prevent tyranny in our government if the tyrannical government is armed with M4s, and you are armed with a Kentucky musket?  Yours is the weakest argument I've ever read for gun control that attempted to use the founding fathers as a basis.
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2011, 04:34:38 AM »
Where and how do you draw the line with mental illness? Should you not be able to purchase a gun because five years ago you were treated for depression after a loss of a child? What about a cop that has signs of post traumatic stress syndrome after being involved in a gun fight and is treated. It would be easy to place a "mental illness" label on many of our gulf war vets. 

The line for mental illness is drawn based on weather the person is presents a danger to themselves and to society and most importantly whether or not the person is incapable of telling right from wrong.

You seem to be assuming that mental illness is unlike other diseases in that it is incurable and leaves a person "tainted" or "permanently damaged". This is part of the problem and part of the reason why people with mental illness fail to seek treatment and their families are reluctant to seek it out for them. 

Nobody's "labeling" anybody with anything, mental illness isn't an insult, it's a disease just like cancer.  It can be diagnosed and quantified.  Both depression and PTSD could make a person a danger to themselves and to others, but both conditions can be diagnosed and are treatable and curable.

Again, why play into the liberal media's hands by making this all about the guns?  Put the emphasis where it belongs, on the fact that this killer was mentally deranged and failing to stop him was a personal failure to protect the public.

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2011, 05:00:42 AM »
As i read thru the post some things come to mind , while in Canada I met people who refused to reg. guns now it seems after years and millions they still won't. Hi-cap mags are already here and can still be here , Cops always had them . Bad guys will steal them from cops ,  good guys with money will pay a hundred bucks for them like last time . Like the comic said if the first 3 hit ya what does it matter if there are 27 more ? If guns are made illegal alot of good citizens or subjects will become felons . America does a poor job with the insane . Ones freedom should be considered when they become a threat to others . Not always taken away but checked .
 I watch the news and often they show tons of illegal drugs comming into our country , how many Glocks could fill the same space ?
 I like the idea of all citizens going armed like the Jewish people do in their home land . Stops alot of crime and extended court cases .
 The problem in America is some think if they stop doing something and pass a law so others are suppose to stop it will happen , idoits really.
 Take the gun or the hi-cap mag from legal gun owners and then only bad guys will have them , its like tieing the good guys hands in a fight , silly really

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2011, 07:03:46 AM »
 
It happens to be a fact that you or someone you domicile with is much more likely to harmed or killed by a gun you keep at home.

Vinnie - with all due respect that statement doesn't hold true, in fact it is part of the misinformation mantra of Handgun Control, Inc.    Please read the studies of Dr. Gary Kleck of Florida State University.   He is a criminologist and is not affiliated with either Republican or Democratic parties.    His work has yet to be refuted by any other scientific studies. 

His findings have shown that defensive use of firearms to stop or prevent a crime are 3 to 4 times higher than the criminal use of guns, thereby concluding that guns are an effective deterrant of crime.   
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2011, 07:55:27 AM »
Brewster;

Let me ask you a question, what about the Vets that come back from overseas who are suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome, the very same men and women who fought for yours and my right to own what we have and to be able to say what we want, when we want to. Are you saying that they should have their "GOD" given not government given Constitutional right or rights taken away?  

Grouse;

In some aspect I agree with you but what the government want to do is say that if you have depression then you are suffering from a form of mental illness and then you fall under the ban. Doctors can not discuss any thing about their clients due to hippa laws so everybody is grouped into one category.     
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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2011, 08:02:29 AM »
There is one thing to remember, "when you take the guns away from the people and only the military and police have them then what you have is a police state".   
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2011, 08:38:57 AM »
There is one thing to remember, "when you take the guns away from the people and only the military and police have them then what you have is a police state".   
Yes indeed,  Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro and countless other despots used this very tactic to gain control of their countries. 
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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2011, 08:56:35 AM »
As has been pointed out, Matt, mental illness including PTSD, does not have to be terminal nor permanent.  But if a PTSD vet is diagnosed suicidal or homicidal, then by all means they should not be permitted until such time as they've been helped sufficiently.

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2011, 08:59:06 AM »
Same with anybody.

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« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2011, 11:15:40 AM »
With around 40,000 vehicular deaths a year, whats the problem with guns?

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2011, 02:08:33 PM »
the arguments to disarm citizens just don't stop, and for every time I've heard that one or another solution is "common sense gun regulation", I hear of an attack on the opposite side of the spectrum to whittle away our rights.  examples;

only highly trained individuals are capable and competent enough to use guns--- gung-ho vets with guns are scary, and/or cops who want to play rambo shouldn't be going after their own people and need to quit being gun freaks..... so no-one outside of government service is qualified to use them due to a lack of training and discipline OR those trained individuals are not "loose cannons" looking to go blast someone?????

no "honest" man needs a high capacity magazine--- magazine capacity restrictions are easy to get around by just carrying more magazines..... so they just go after semi-auto instead.  PS- real assault weapons usually are belt-fed, no magazine needed and not usually compatible as a back-up either (the m-249 s.a.w. can, but good luck getting one for under 20,000grand or so).

some ammunition is too powerful to be controllable and really risks too much collateral damage--- yet if you want to be able to hit and kill at range it has to REALLY hit hard up close right?!  if it can't kill period- it's not of any martial use anyways, it's a gun not a taser!!!!

civilians don't need sniper rifles--- they talk about "sniping" and how scary it is, oooh, snipers  ::)  deer rifles are good to 300yds generally, and that is a LONG ways away, so if politicians need to be safe then you need to lose your ability to not only accurately reach but KILL a deer/critter at a good distance.  of course, if the range of a reliable and humane kill is only 50yds, you need more than the bare minimum to do it.  A .22lr could do in a squirrel but not likely a deer, so again you need a truely capable rifle, and with that much power and penetration comes REACH AND RANGE!  The liberals cry about the ability to kill with precision at a distance but if you cannot hit what you aim at with a very small margin of error then you really are a retard that is "spraying bullets".  there are really snipers and there are accurate rifles that are capable of serving a sniper but there are no real sniper rifles.  some are just better than others, and a sniper would use a good one, as would any responsible person hunting.  DUH!

ammo restrictions based on volume/stockpile, penetration, hollowpoints or whatever else THEY can think of; armor piercing bullets is kind of a joke- it's hard to stop bullets, armor doesn't cover everything, bullets that don't go through do damage anyways, armor doesn't accept too many hits in the same spot, armor can fail for a multitude of reasons, and by legislating penetraion or power THEY undercut their arguments against hollow points, sintered metal projectiles and other "gimmick" ammo.  long story short, a piece of hard plastic fabric, even backed by ceramic plates, won't take that many hits before it fails IF IT CAN STOP THE PROJECTILE IN THE FIRST PLACE, IF THE PERSON SHOOTING DIDN'T JUST SHOOT AROUND IT!  Arteries kill faster than all but brain shots.... lots of arteries to hit on the limbs.

Scary hollow points are only for killing.... then what are the other bullets for, poking and making a tickling sensation?  Hollow points have the potential to not only deliver a more broad and therefore POSSIBLY more lethal wound in a SHALLOW target, but manage to damage a shallow target to the maximum instead of shooting through it with an intact, stabile and almost full-speed projectile hitting another target incidentally.  Well what if the shooter (ccw civilian, cop, whoever) misses a perpetrator and hits an innocent with a "deadly, evil, malicious" hollow-point?  well, cops and civilians that shoot persons other than perpetrators are in the wrong and subject to lawsuits and prison time already, those people can bleed to death with REGULAR, conventional ammo too, and are more likely to GET hit from a standard spitzer styled bullet because those ricochet more from misses, and go semi-straight through targets to hit something beyond.  that's why shooting ranges have backstops, because REGUALR ammo goes right through stuff.  the issue is to teach marksmanship, not argue wound characteristecs from specific projectiles in hypothetical scenarios, yet liberals think they can win by pushing an argument based on a logistical and technical concept non-shooter's don't get.  us shooters do get it though, which is why hollow-points are good- because we don't want collateral damage (supposedly THEY don't either, but they gotta ban all the designer bullets before then ban conventional ones in the incrimental erosion process they so love).  so we cannot have penetration, because that's SCARY!  We cannot have evil/deadly/malicious hollow-points, because that's SCARY!  We cannot have precision and/or range, because that gives a man unnatural reach and  the power to pick off "important" people, oh how scary.... and if we want to get around the bullet and or range issues, we cannot compensate with more ammo or really hard hitting ammo of high caliber because that's freaky too?!  Oh, let's not forget efforts to regulate/restrict concealable and affordable guns too.

can't hit hard, can't hit far, can't be accurate, can't miss and hit the wrong target, can't take ammo that isn't registered, accounted for after registration (microstamped in the future maybe), can't be on you, can't be in your car, can't go to certain places, can't be loaded at certain times, can't be too big if it's a pistol, can't be small and concealable, can't be a short barreled long gun, can't be auto, can't be semi-auto, can be a revolver-breech action-or something else but don't you dare compensate by using strong ammo, and you cannot compensate for the inherent lack of kinetic energy by using an aerodynamically efficient shape that allows it to pierce air in travel and flesh on contact, can't be made of too heavy a material (or matrix) or it's armor piercing, and GOD FORBID IT HAS LEAD IN IT BECAUSE LEAD KILLS, JUST LIKE GUNS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN USED TO INTENTIONALLY SHOOT SOMETHING.  The only way I can get halfway close to meeting all these criteria, in my mind, is to make a one foot diameter log that is at least three feet long (a fat and heavy cylinder), drill out the center, screw in a barrel and have the cap for a twist breach exposed in the back/protruding, it can only use rimfire ammo under .30 cal so it's pathetic and not readily reloadable (no need to micro-stamp), can't shoot often, can't shoot quickly and wieldly because it's a log with single-shot capability, and shoots accurately because it's stable (if it doesn't roll away first) because a rimfire can't shake a log with recoil, defies pistol, rifle, shotgun or whatever status because it's a log, doesn't really take lasers and bipods and other scary things but if it did it would still suck anyways, and it would have to be shooting "green" ammo, bought with a thumbprint and a huge "sin" tax plus price hike due to all the regulation and loss of business.

oh crap, someone could saw the log open and just take out the reciever, and use the wood to make a stock!!!! and have a rifle again.  sorry I failed guys.

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Re: Gun Grabbers Wasting No Time After Giffords Shooting
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2011, 02:16:20 PM »
saddelbum, i had no intention to offend you or any other member.
if you took it that way, i'm sorry.

vinny


You must obtain your facts from Huffington Post, CBS,NBC,ABC, CNN or some other Liberal leaning Agency.
Your state would even ban the use of Primitive arms, and more than likely will.

The media and gun grabbing politico's circle like vultures, waiting for the next tragic event to take place, so they can spin just that kind of BS you would have us believe.

Just got this email alert and it comes as no surprise to me that a LIBERAL REPUBLICAN wants more restrictions on the 2nd.

GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA
Friday, January 14, 2011

Calls for greater gun control in response to the Tucson, Arizona massacre are growing daily on Capitol Hill.

This hardly comes as a surprise.  For many legislators, the knee-jerk reaction to any criminal shooting is to pass yet another gun control law, despite the fact that the criminal already broke many laws in the commission of the crime.

The zaniest of the new proposals is one by Representative Peter King (R-NY) to ban guns within 1,000 feet of certain federal officials -- including members of Congress.  What the Congressman ignores is that what he euphemistically calls "gun free zones" are actually "criminal safety zones."

Thankfully, House Speaker John Boehner flatly rejected the King plan.

Another proposal, being offered by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), would ban ammunition feeding devices holding more than an arbitrarily determined number of rounds.

For Mr. Lautenberg, the magic number is 10 rounds.

"These high-capacity clips (sic) simply should not be on the market," Lautenberg said. "When the Senate returns to Washington, I will introduce legislation to prohibit this type of high-capacity clip."

But what would Lautenberg say to the "average citizen" who runs out of ammunition when facing multiple attackers?  Or, more accurately, what would he say to that victim's family?

Of course, if Lautenberg were successful there is no doubt he would be back with a ban on even smaller magazines as soon as the next headlines are made.  He's only trying to take a small bite out of the Constitution at this time, as he seeks political advantage from the sad events of last weekend.

To make matters worse, when the Senate reconvenes later this month Majority Leader Harry Reid has cooked up a plan to make it easier to pass anti-gun laws like Frank Lautenberg's.

Reid is seeking to change the rules of the Senate to strip the minority party (currently Republicans) of their ability to stop legislation using the filibuster, which historically requires a 60 vote majority to overcome.

Pro-gun Senators have successfully used the filibuster to stop gun control, especially when emotions are running high following a nationally publicized shooting.

But before the Senate considers changing its rules to make it easier to pass gun control or votes on any bills that would violate the Constitution, Gun Owners of America has a proposal of its own: Read the Constitution!

As you know, GOA spearheaded the effort to get the Constitution read on the floor of the Congress.  Speaker Boehner brought the reading to the House floor two weeks ago, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has made no indication that he will follow suit.

That is a sad commentary on the Senate.  The Constitution is the real, binding contract with America, but it continues to be ignored even though each and every Senator raises his or her right hand and swears an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic," and that they will "bear true faith and allegiance to the same."

Harry Reid cannot be allowed to continue to rule the Senate with an iron fist.  GOA is working with several senate offices on a plan to read the Constitution over Reid's opposition.  It is important for all Senators to support this effort to read out loud America's most important founding document.

Action: Contact your Senators and urge them to 1) oppose Harry Reid's plan to do away with the filibuster, 2) oppose the effort by Sen. Frank Lautenberg to ban so-called "high capacity" ammunition feeding devices and, 3) support any effort or resolution to have the U.S. Constitution read out loud on the floor of the Senate. You can click on the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center to quickly send your Senators a pre-written message.
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