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Talk Radio ?
« on: January 11, 2011, 02:40:33 AM »
Talk radio is being blamed for the shooting in Az. The county sherrif has made several statements about such. I listen to some talk radio . I admit most is right of center . The left of center stations don't seem to last long . The sherrif said the consertive stations stir up listners. They do , but how ? When they replay what democrats have said mostly.
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 02:52:16 AM »
you're right.  it's what democrats say that stirs people up.
I would never go as far as that guy, but I have been furious at times.
democrats are a bunch of arrogant a**holes.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 03:39:53 AM »
I think democrats are Americans . I think like any large group there are many different agendas . Now it would seem the extreme left leaning ones are incharge. They are doing what any group would do in their place taking their plan as far forward as they can. Conservatives need to have a plan and advance it . Calling the opposition names does little good as it tends to give them power .
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 04:04:56 AM »
I see it as the extreme left is leading the rest of the democrats just as the extreme right is leading to much of the republicans so we get no where except for hate speech and worse. Moderation is good not only in eating and drinking but in politics also.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 05:17:15 AM »
Yep ! and when we start the name calling we forget people looking in can't see a difference.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 06:43:18 AM »
Anything that can be demonized by the left will be. If some folks don't fall in and lock step their way to ignorance, they blame them for anything evil and vile, that does not fit in to their warped utopian mindset. Our WA state goobernor is afflicted with the same disease when her pet tax increase didn't pass this last election, her response was "the people of this state don't know what we are trying to do for them".
  I know!! Lets make a law banning the Freedom of speech!  Everything should go through a freedom commission before its reported or talked about! Yeah, thats a good idea.  Four legs good, two legs B-a-a-a-d.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 07:30:42 AM »
Somebody ought to ask this sheriff if the Muslim terrorists listen to Limbaugh or Beck??gypsyman
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 07:33:57 AM »
Somebody ought to ask this sheriff if the Muslim terrorists listen to Limbaugh or Beck??gypsyman

I bet they do !
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 07:53:55 AM »
They try to make it seem like a bad thing to be right of center.
I'll always be to the right because the opposite of right is wrong, and the middle of the road is where spineless people get run over.
Left hates Talk Radio  because that is where their transgressions are laid bare for all to see and hear.
The left does not want people to listen to anything but them period because all liberals hate free thinking people.
Free thinking people expose liberals for what they are mindless lemmings or tyrants.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 07:56:27 AM »
Face facts libs live in a world of what could be and conservitives live in the reality of what is.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 10:11:10 AM »
I don't consider Rush, Hannity or Beck to be far right, just a little right of the center like me. We have let the far left media like NBC define what far right is.

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2011, 10:28:50 AM »
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I don't consider Rush, Hannity or Beck to be far right, just a little right of the center like me.

Okay...? So who do you consider to be far right? Curious minds want to know.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2011, 10:31:05 AM »
I use to like Hannity when it was Hannity and Colmes. You got to hear both sides of an issue debated.  
For the most part I found both respectful of each others views and I use to learn alot watching their
show.

Rush in very small doses. I find him arrogant and belittling most times.
though I don't consider him a dolt. Rush is for entertainment listening ,
not a news source.

Anne Coulter I consider far right. Though I may disagree with her points she appears well educated
and states her convictions intelligently.  she can be quite abrasive.
 
Glen Beck is a drama queen. I do consider him FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Right
What a wingnut . Save the Drama for your Mama. His conspiracy retoric dribble makes absolutely no intelligent sense and for the most part his research staff provides him information that ensures he rarely has a clue what he is talking about.  - jmho

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2011, 11:17:54 AM »
I have never in my life had anyone explain to me what "far right" is....it's just a word it seems, to be used when someone does not like someone.
Limbaugh can be arrogant...but that is not really far right...he just has a sense of humor that is hard for people to take. Has nothing to do with him being far right or not.
Heck most people don't even know what he says or listens to him. I don't have time to listen to any of them very often.

So I printed up some select statements from the founding fathers and showed it to someone at work without the authors names, they read some of them, and sure enough, that was far right stuff.  I then told them who wrote those statements...the authors of the constitution.  They seemed to be more in tune with with the writings of Marx...showed them some statements from him...gee wizz...this guy was more center...LOL!!!!  I then told them who this was. Always fun to get people thinking. 

Far right or far left...means nothing these days, there has to be facts and logic in everything.  To me, passing legislation through congress full of corrupt spending that funnels money to very questionable places to pick up votes is just plain corruption and way wrong, and against our consitution, no sense in trying to figure out if that is far left or far right. It just needs to stop.  Anyone that brings this to the front and exposes it, will likley be "far something" to all the ignorant people that put up with it.

FWIT...I'm known as a far right person at work by some people who have asked my opinion on things...I'm not really.  There is no right or left, there is only right or wrong, per the laws written, you don't have to agree with the constitution, That is OK.  Problem is trying to walk over it and have judges legislate form the bench, and not changing it the right way, per law, to AMEND the constitution.  Since they don't have the votes...they just walk over it with like minded judges.  Much easier.

There is no middle of the road on many issues...this is what we fight for. I have never met anyone half way on a bad idea, or met them half way on spending money foolishly.
That's a big NO for me.  The idea is to beat them all the way, not half way. In other words...the 8 BILLION dollars funneled to ACORN in the great stim package should not have started out as 16 BILLION....or wound up as 4 BILLION...it simply should not have been there at all. Call it far right wing if you must, but it was a corrupt idea, and a bad one.
BTW...stim package was chuck full of that stuff...including more payoffs than anyone could possibly imagine. Was that "left wing"?  I have no idea...but it was corruption at its highest level ever.  Maybe best to look at it like that instead of trying to find a political handle for it.  There was a time when the word liberal meant something completly different as well...and they were known as true conservatives. Word games happen over the years, mostly to confuse or hide the real agendas.


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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2011, 11:22:45 AM »
I have never in my life had anyone explain to me what "far right" is....it's just a word it seems, to be used when someone does not like someone.

The terms left and right are often used to spin a particular point of view rather than as simple descriptors. In modern political rhetoric, those on the Left typically emphasize their support for working people and accuse the Right of supporting the interests of the upper class, whereas those on the Right usually emphasize their support for individualism and accuse the Left of supporting collectivism. As a result, arguments about the way the words should be used often displace arguments about policy by raising emotional prejudice against a preconceived notion of what the terms mean.

In politics, The terms "left" and "right" appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the king to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left. (The seating may have been influenced by the tradition of the United Kingdom Parliament, where the monarch's ministers sit to the speaker's right, while the opposition sit to his or her left.)

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Far right


Extreme right, hard right, radical right, and ultra-right are terms used to discuss the qualitative or quantitative position a group or person occupies within right-wing politics. The terms are often used to imply that someone is an extremist. The terms have been used by different scholars in somewhat conflicting ways.

Far right politics usually involve supremacism — a belief that superiority and inferiority is an innate reality between individuals and groups — and a complete rejection of the concept of social equality as a norm. Far right politics often support segregation; the separation of groups deemed to be superior from groups deemed to be inferior. Far right politics also commonly include authoritarianism, nativism, racism and xenophobia.

The ideologies usually associated with the far right include fascism, Nazism and other ultra-nationalist, religiously extreme or reactionary ideologies.


Far left

Far left, revolutionary left, radical left and extreme left are terms which refer to the highest degree of leftist positions among left-wing politics.

The far left promotes social justice and egalitarianism more explicitly in language and sometimes in action, may exhibit opposition to and aggression towards stratified economic, political and social establishments, and is typically hostile towards people who are associated with a stratified establishment.

Centrist (Moderate)

In politics, centrism is the ideal or the practice of promoting moderate policies that lie between different political extremes. Most commonly, this is visualized as part of the one-dimensional political spectrum of left-right politics, with centrism landing in the middle between left-wing politics and right-wing politics. The phrase is often associated with the political philosophy realpolitik, which favours practical considerations more than ideology.

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Re: Talk Radio ?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2011, 11:55:10 AM »
The ideologies usually associated with the far right include fascism, Nazism and other ultra-nationalist, religiously extreme or reactionary ideologies.

scootrd, naziism was not a far right organization.  The nazi socialist party seemed a bit left to me where innocents were blamed for their demise and being unequal, sentanced to imprisonment and in some cases,death. The assimilation of the far left with their willingness to establish a human euthenasia program for the elderly and  "bad" fetuses, can be readily seen by those who support "death with dignity" and other programs.  Just sayin, but I'm kinda leary of the source you quoted.
  Actually the far left part of your post better exemplifies the nazi party;   The far left promotes social justice and egalitarianism more explicitly in language and sometimes in action, may exhibit opposition to and aggression towards stratified economic, political and social establishments, and is typically hostile towards people who are associated with a stratified establishment

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2011, 12:46:44 PM »
Telling the truth, whether it be in person or on talk radio, never leaves any hearer unaffected whether they agree with it, disagree with, are offended by it, enriched and enlightened by it, or simply can't recognize it as truth.  Who is telling the truth?  The ones who agree with my viewpoints, of course! Better to be right than accepted and praised by the left anyday.

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2011, 01:07:06 PM »
Well, not sure who wrote all this stuff....but I just can't go along with it.
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Far right politics also commonly include authoritarianism, nativism, racism and xenophobia.


For example...far right is not really racist...a racist is just a racist.  Matter of fact, why can't we just call someone an authoritarian or xenophobic, or whatever...without the "far xxx"...The people who are thought to be on the left such as Jessie Jackson...are actually racists, not thought of as far right...so what sense does anything really make then? Me thinks whoever wrote all these descriptions...were "far out"....and just put what THEY thought it all meant. Like someone's opinons. We maybe could use just the words themselves to describe someone...facist, nazi, ect.
I think people assign the term right or left for a different reason, with nothing really based in facts, and add the word FAR to make it all sound even better.

For example...Jackson and pals has racial tendencies, Obama is a socialist/communist, Alan Keyes is a conservative constitutionalist, Polosi is not "all there"...and Barney Frank is a "crook" who crashed Fannie and Freddie and knew all along the housing would crash at some point. OK...a "gay" crook...whatever.  How about a "far crook" ?

Now we even have Pat/Rick bring up some points that the left should be associated with Nazism...instead of the right...because this is all so complicated.  Even more complicated with all those descriptions listed on what far left and far right is...which someone just wrote that has no more sense than me, but a lot of feelings maybe.  

Hey...they were Nazi's...period...why pin it on right or left?  What is right and left anyway these days? I still think there is only right and wrong.  Right and left is for effect, center is getting popular, although nobody knows what the hell that is either, just sounds good.  :D


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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2011, 02:16:14 PM »
good lord! anybody who can be persuaded to do a crime by something they heard on the radio is obviously a retard in the least or possibly deranged totally.

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2011, 02:55:47 PM »

Anne Coulter I consider far right. Though I may disagree with her points she appears well educated
and states her convictions intelligently.  she can be quite abrasive.
 

Ever notice how people that speak the truth, and expose the lies, and corruption politicians are committing, are labeled "far right", by the ones that are committing the lies,and corruption, and their supporters.  I figure the ones labeled far right are on the right side of the line.
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2011, 04:31:25 PM »
Hey all don't kill the messenger , as I stated in original post , I did not research , they were not my words,
 they were a straight cut and paste ... as I pointed out in the response to Jimsters question what is Far right.

Pat/Rick  -  Dont need to debate me .... regarding Nazism right or left , straight wikipedia - cut and paste (don't know who original contributor was. As I stated it was a direct Cut and paste.  
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2011, 04:49:20 PM »
Not trying to off the messenger at all, just didn't agree with the description. Often I'm thankful for different views and descriptions on topics, it make me use the ol' noodle.  ;)

  If a class starts at say, 12:00, and left works towards 11:00 and the right represented by movement towards 1:00, wouldn't travel to the extreme left or right meet somewhere around 6:00? and what would be considered by some as absolute fascism? Just sayin' that extreme views by whatever party, group, affiliation, seems to want absolutism. As people we are sure to deposit beliefs one way or the other all around the clock with some views stronger than others. Did the desire to have ones party win all give birth to extremist ideals, not wanting to live in a give some take some world?

 The view that naziism is a right wing extremist group doesn't jibe with their nazi socialist party title, thats all. Do we our selves not associate the left with socialism? Didn't the nazi's provide for those of pure german blood? Damning all others of religion, ethnicity, and racial pureity? There may be paralells but in overview? There is a fine line seperating all groups and easy for one too spill over as it were. Then there are the differances of each class; socialist compared to say Fabian socialist.  Not putting anybody under the microscope, just sayin'.

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2011, 05:40:22 PM »
Nazi are leftists by definition. Nazi roughly translated is National SOCIALIST party. By definition and acts it cannot be right wing. The Soviet Union was communist,not the same as socialist,tho many facets are the same. All Governments that murdered their populace or the populace they conquered are leftist. Hitler, Stalin,Mussolini,Pol Pot,Mao .This is true history,facts that cannot be denied,except by leftists.

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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2011, 04:31:58 AM »
With reference to "Right" and "Left" in this country, it seems to boil down to one thing: Those who believe in our Constitution are "Right" and right and those who do not like the Constitution, or want to radically change it, or interpret it to death are "Left" and wrong.
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2011, 06:54:22 AM »
Magooch , I'm not sure if it's a cut and dry as you comment  -  
Some believe the Constitution is a static , Some believe it is dynamic.
And both Parties have throughout history changed and amended the constitution.
Twenty-seven amendments have been ratified since the original signing of the Constitution.

Even the framers wrestled with this ..........

 I entirely concur in the propriety of resorting to the sense in which the Constitution was accepted and ratified by the nation. In that sense alone it is the legitimate Constitution. And if that is not the guide in expounding it, there may be no security for a consistent and stable, more than for a faithful exercise of its powers. If the meaning of the text be sought in the changeable meaning of the words composing it, it is evident that the shape and attributes of the Government must partake of the changes to which the words and phrases of all living languages are constantly subject. What a metamorphosis would be produced in the code of law if all its ancient phraseology were to be taken in its modern sense.

 - James Madison

"The Constitution on which our union rests, shall be administered by me according to the safe and honest meaning contemplated by the plain understanding of the people of the United States, at the time of its adoption,—a meaning to be found in the explanations of those who advocated (it)...These explanations are preserved in the publications of the time, and are too recent in the memories of most men to admit of question."

 - Thomas Jeffereson

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2011, 07:15:05 AM »
No matter the side left or right it is important to understand the Consitution can and always could be changed. It is a long process and it should be . The Consitution as written had to have admendents added for some states to agree . The adding or deletion of adm's can change the law of the land. For us the 2nd adm has been used to test DC gun laws and others and it has protected the gun owner. BUT if enough support in enough states was mustered the 2nd adm could be changed just like the ban on drinking was .
Talk radio , computers and other devices have opened communication to most in America in ways never dreamed of 25 years ago. Any and every law can be challenged before it passes. Every American can get his views to his rep in Govt. Its hard to hide an agenda in this day and time. Being an elected offical isn't as easy as it once was .
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2011, 07:28:27 AM »
No matter the side left or right it is important to understand the Consitution can and always could be changed. It is a long process and it should be . The Consitution as written had to have admendents added.....

I completely agree, that was the thought I was trying to state to Magooch. I dont think his right /left comment was accurate.
It's not a right left issue, it's a static or dynamic constitution issue.
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2011, 07:42:02 AM »
The fact is it can be both depending on the wishes of " WE THE PEOPLE"
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2011, 09:53:49 AM »
The fact is it can be both depending on the wishes of " WE THE PEOPLE"

Absolutely, and the best reason why we should never stop writing our reps and voicing our thoughts and concerns. Well stated SHOOTALL>

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2011, 04:29:37 PM »
I love 2nd amendment talk. The fact that we should all remember is that we All, have a basic right to defend ourselves with or without the Constitution. The Constitution & 2nd amendment just makes that right upfront & centered. It is not a privelege, or something the government gives us.
Talk radio is good for America. What we talk about in our homes or local cafe can be heard all over this country.
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