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tcencore3006 · « **on:** January 11, 2011, 08:16:47 AM »

20 Deadliest Gun States
Article I just read on yahoo entitled 20 Deadliest Gun States. Thought I would share it with you.

The Daily Beast The Daily Beast – Tue Jan 11, 1:13 am ET
NEW YORK – You're five times more likely to die from a gun in Arizona than Hawaii. In the wake of the Giffords massacre, The Daily Beast ranks which states have the worst record of gun fatalities. Plus, full coverage of the Arizona shooting.

While the country roots for the survival of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and mourns the death of the six people killed during Saturday's massacre, lawmakers and policy wonks are once again faced with explaining the challenges and limitations of gun regulation and violence across the U.S.

It's difficult to make a direct correlation between legal gun ownership and violence. Jared Lee Loughner may have purchased a gun in Arizona, a state with the most permissive gun laws in America, but there aren't laws in any state that can prevent a person with a clean record from obtaining a firearm for a premeditated massacre. In fact, among the top 20 states with the strictest gun laws, as rated by the Legal Community Against Violence, seven have death rates from guns that are higher than the national average.

"I am generally skeptical of gun laws," says Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA. "The theory is that gun laws may prevent crimes of passion—domestic crimes, altercations over traffic incidents, or committed by someone who is otherwise law-abiding but has an anger problem… gun-control laws can potentially do something, but the kind of crime by which they can do the least is a mass shooting."

But advocates for gun laws argue that restrictions prevent suicides, gun trafficking and domestic violence. A study commissioned by Mayors Against Illegal Guns last year concluded that the states with the most lenient gun laws are responsible for the guns used in crimes across state lines at much higher rate than states with strict laws, concluding that "certain gun laws are an important component in reducing criminal access to firearms."

"My own belief is that laws are a way of showing that you're doing something, and some of them are actually counter-productive" counters John R. Lott, author of More Guns, Less Crime. "You have to ask yourself 'who's most likely to disarm?' The most law-abiding citizens. If you disarm the most law-abiding citizens, you see increases in violence relative to the dropping gun ownership."

Gallery: The 20 Deadliest Gun States

Given the complexities involved in gun regulation and violence, The Daily Beast sought to determine which states are the most dangerous when it comes to firearms. Our methodology was simple: Rather than measure the number of guns, we measured the measure of gun deaths per capita in each state, using the most recent data available from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That counted for 75 percent of the ranking. The other 25 percent was derived from the Legal Community Against Violence's state-by-state comparison of firearm laws, which ranks all 50 states by their relatively severity, incorporating everything from policies on mental-health background checks to whether loaded guns are allowed in bars.

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#1, Mississippi Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3 Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona Gun deaths per 100,000: 15 Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6 Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1 Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9 Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico Gun deaths per 100,000: 15 Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6 Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2 Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5 Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5 Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

#11, Kentucky Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.4 Permissive gun laws: 5th out of 50

#12, West Virginia Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.8 Permissive gun laws: 25th out of 50

#13, Tennessee Gun deaths per 100,000: 15 Permissive gun laws: 31st out of 50

#14, Oklahoma Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4 Permissive gun laws: 17th out of 50

#15, Idaho Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5 Permissive gun laws: 2nd out of 50

#16, Georgia Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1 Permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50

#17, Missouri Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.9 Permissive gun laws: 12th out of 50

#18, South Carolina Gun deaths per 100,000: 13.4 Permissive gun laws: 20th out of 50

#19, North Carolina Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.3 Permissive gun laws: 28th out of 50

#20, Florida Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.5 Permissive gun laws: 41st out of 50

#21, Kansas Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.5 Permissive gun laws: 14th out of 50

#22, Indiana Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.6 Permissive gun laws: 21st out of 50

#23, Texas Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7 Permissive gun laws: 32nd out of 50

#24, Michigan Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.9 Permissive gun laws: 39th out of 50

#25, Maryland Gun deaths per 100,000: 12.1 Permissive gun laws: 44th out of 50

#26, Colorado Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4 Permissive gun laws: 24rd out of 50

#27, Pennsylvania Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7 Permissive gun laws: 40th out of 50

#28, Virginia Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.7 Permissive gun laws: 35th out of 50

#29, Utah Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.5 Permissive gun laws: 18th out of 50

#30, Vermont Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.4 Permissive gun laws: 3rd out of 50

#31, Oregon Gun deaths per 100,000: 10.4 Permissive gun laws: 30th out of 50

#32, North Dakota Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.9 Permissive gun laws: 15th out of 50

#33, Ohio Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.6 Permissive gun laws: 29th out of 50

#34, Maine Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.1 Permissive gun laws: 9th out of 50

#35, Delaware Gun deaths per 100,000: 9.2 Permissive gun laws: 33rd out of 50

#36, Wisconsin Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.7 Permissive gun laws: 34th out of 50

#37, Nebraska Gun deaths per 100,000: 8 Permissive gun laws: 19th out of 50

#38, South Dakota Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.5 Permissive gun laws: 16th out of 50

#39, Washington Gun deaths per 100,000: 8.5 Permissive gun laws: 37th out of 50

#40, California Gun deaths per 100,000: 9 Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50

#41, New Hampshire Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9 Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6 Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois Gun deaths per 100,000: 8 Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3 Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1 Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50

#46, New Jersey Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2 Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3 Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5 Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6 Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8 Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50

ed k · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2011, 08:33:58 AM »

I'm guessing this is all gun deaths which would include accidental and suicide. Neither of which have much to do with violent crime. I would also like to know what a permissive gun law is. I live in the terrible state of North dakota and i will have to say its pretty safe. The saying up here is 40 below keeps the riff-raff out. ED K

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2011, 08:40:28 AM »

I think you are right that it includes suicides. It appears to include anything as long as it applies to guns. It doesn't seem right though. If someone is going to kill themselves and has their mind set on it they will do. Gun or no gun

blind ear · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2011, 08:47:52 AM »

How is Mississippi #1 with 18.3/100,000 while Lousiana is#5 with 19.9 per 100,000.

The Brothers are hard on thier brothers here in Mississippi I must admit.

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MGMorden · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2011, 08:48:55 AM »

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 11, 2011, 08:40:28 AM

I think you are right that it includes suicides. It appears to include anything as long as it applies to guns. It doesn't seem right though. If someone is going to kill themselves and has their mind set on it they will do. Gun or no gun

Gun-grabbers are an odd lot. I've debated the issue on other boards countless times, and not only does it include suicides, it's one of the main things they state (as hinted in the article above). Much of their reasoning is based on the false belief that people who commit suicides with guns probably wouldn't do it if the gun hadn't been there. By the same token, they say that guns shouldn't be in the home because in domestic violence incidents where someone is shot wouldn't happen if there was no gun there.

They operate under the insane mindset that somehow people are just impressionable husks that only act out as a result to stimulae in the environment. In reality, people who have decided - however rash - the harm themselves or another person are going to quickly find a tool to do that. Those tools can't be removed from society because they are everywhere. Baseball bats become clubs. Kitchen knives become, well, knives.

These people are broken in the head though. Even when England was trying to band pointy tips on knives someone on a US board was arguing (paraphrasing this as I can't remember their exact wording):

"Well, when you think about it, does anyone really NEED a pointy tip on a knife? Not really, so if doing this saves lives, we should give it a serious look.".

There's no reasoning with some people.

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2011, 08:54:18 AM »

Yeah I don't get it. I have had plenty of disagreements with people and never once been tempted to grab a gun. However, my car alarm went off in the middle of the night in my drive way. I live out in the boondocks and you better believe I went outside with a gun and a flashlight. It was loaded.
You were right when you said there is no reasoning with them.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2011, 08:55:04 AM »

You can carry in Arizona concealed or open. I would think that the reason for more gun deaths there are because of the huge illegal problem.I would like to see this info broken down a little.....Self defense,Suicide,accidental, violent and such.

Vermont is a permissible gun state, and the death by gun rate, is I think the lowest in the country. Surveys and so called studies don't mean squat! You can slant them any way you want!

Vermont has very few gun control laws. Gun dealers are required to keep a record of all handgun sales. It is illegal to carry a gun on school property or in a courthouse. State law preempts local governments from regulating the possession, ownership, transfer, carrying, registration or licensing of firearms.[291]

The term "Vermont Carry" is used by gun rights advocates to refer to allowing citizens to carry a firearm concealed or openly without any sort of permit requirement. Vermont law does not distinguish between residents and non-residents of the state; both have the same right to carry while in Vermont.

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2011, 08:59:20 AM »

Thanks to you NW, I have to go home and tell my wife we are moving to Vermont!

nw_hunter · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:04:12 AM »

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 11, 2011, 08:59:20 AM

Thanks to you NW, I have to go home and tell my wife we are moving to Vermont!

Your welcome

By the way tcencore, "I'm curious" What are your thoughts on the study of the 20 deadly gun states?

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:14:22 AM »

NW,
I think people use statistics to prove truth just as much as they use it to lie. I found the article to be more interesting than the study below it. I was suprised at the fact that the media included this "I am generally skeptical of gun laws," says Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA. "The theory is that gun laws may prevent crimes of passion—domestic crimes, altercations over traffic incidents, or committed by someone who is otherwise law-abiding but has an anger problem… gun-control laws can potentially do something, but the kind of crime by which they can do the least is a mass shooting."

It was actually rather refreshing to see both sides of an argument in a liberal media source. People from both sides of the aisle will probably get tweaked off on this article.

You know that the left is going to point as these stats when they are convenient to make an argument.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:27:15 AM »

Interesting if the statistics hold true, however I see that they blatantly did not include the cesspool of Washington, DC, which has long held the title of highest murder rate, and most draconian gun laws. They need to use the statistics and show the gun death rate in all the big cities, and see who comes out on top. take a state like Illinois, or Michigan that has huge amounts of small towns aways from their crime infested big cities, and the non city population dilutes the percentage of crime occuring at higher rates in the population centers.

myronman3 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2011, 11:24:27 AM »

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2011, 12:19:37 PM »

I dislike stats worded like that. It should read worst States for murderers, accidents, and suicides. Just the libs, dems, and pantywetters way to bad mouth guns. Guns = bad, understand?

POWDERMAN.

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2011, 12:29:29 PM »

When I was dating the girl who is now my wife she was taking a statistic class in college. I recall she had a book entitled: How to lie with statistics.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2011, 01:01:15 PM »

Quote

, however I see that they blatantly did not include the cesspool of Washington, DC,

being that washington. DC is not a state could be the reason its not included:). I don't really think this can hold true at all, and I kinda got a good laugh. When I did a project in english class I did a informitave argumentive speech on gun control, and when I did it (granted it was like 6 years ago) New York was among the top ten states as far as gun related crimes and death, per the DOJ website.

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2011, 01:43:58 PM »

torpedoman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2011, 03:04:22 PM »

Don't you just love the "permissive gunlaws" thing. If the 2nd amendment is recognized as the law of the land it must be a bad thing to them. The outfit they got their numbers from the cdc is a hotbed of antigun people.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2011, 03:06:33 PM »

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 11, 2011, 01:43:58 PM

DOJ?

Department of Justice.....you know Eric Holders domain...... $:-\$

billy_56081 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2011, 03:39:31 PM »

THe statistics do not differantiate between homocide, suicide, acident and justified deaths by firearms.

Here is a list of state MURDER rates.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/statistics/crime-rate-state.html

Spirithawk · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2011, 04:18:01 PM »

Something you all are over looking. It doesn't say if it includes law enforcement shootings either. I would like to see the stats compared to vehicle related deaths in the same states, as well as other non natural deaths. Stats are too easy to insinuate what one wishes them to show.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2011, 06:42:37 PM »

+1 Spirithawk. These should be paralell with vehicular deaths as well. I wonder how many would start screaming about "messing with their freedom" then? certainly we could say that there are a few folks out there who shouldn't be driving

Spirithawk · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2011, 06:49:15 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on January 11, 2011, 06:42:37 PM

+1 Spirithawk. These should be paralell with vehicular deaths as well. I wonder how many would start screaming about "messing with their freedom" then? certainly we could say that there are a few folks out there who shouldn't be driving

Aint that the truth!

bigbird09 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2011, 07:37:12 PM »

Quote from: Pat/Rick on January 11, 2011, 06:42:37 PM

+1 Spirithawk. These should be paralell with vehicular deaths as well. I wonder how many would start screaming about "messing with their freedom" then? certainly we could say that there are a few folks out there who shouldn't be driving

not sure about other states but I can tell you illinois had between 950 and 1000 vehicle related deaths in 2010

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 12, 2011, 02:28:22 AM »

Bigbird,
I really believe they should do away with cars.

jlchucker · « **Reply #24 on:** January 12, 2011, 02:44:24 AM »

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 11, 2011, 08:59:20 AM

Thanks to you NW, I have to go home and tell my wife we are moving to Vermont!

My house up here's for sale. This lists VT as being number 3. Who are 1 and 2? Not all states are listed here. You may not like it here, though. We've got a populace that these days thinks that Sen. Bernard Sanders is some kind of god. That makes me wonder how long it's going to be before these folks launch an all-out attack on Vermont's gun laws.

tcencore3006 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 12, 2011, 07:29:48 AM »

Quote from: jlchucker on January 12, 2011, 02:44:24 AM

Quote from: tcencore3006 on January 11, 2011, 08:59:20 AM
Thanks to you NW, I have to go home and tell my wife we are moving to Vermont!

My house up here's for sale. This lists VT as being number 3. Who are 1 and 2? Not all states are listed here. You may not like it here, though. We've got a populace that these days thinks that Sen. Bernard Sanders is some kind of god. That makes me wonder how long it's going to be before these folks launch an all-out attack on Vermont's gun laws.

Well Chucker it can't be worse than the gun laws in NY.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #26 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:14:55 AM »

Hand Gun Control put out some stats like that and in the stats they counted all gun shootings.
Accidental, murder, attempted murder, self protection, sucide, and justified Police shooting.
I think if you want to see how dangerous a state is. police, true accidents and sucides should be excluded.
I find it funny that they do not include Washington DC in the list.
Toughest gun laws in the country and most often it is the murder capital of the country.
I also find it hard to believe that CA is as low as it is with all the gang activity in and around Oakland and LA. But as we said stats can be made to say anything.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:58:34 AM »

not really, you also have to relize that this is per capita meaning that it is based off the amount of people liveing in that state. the more people in that state the more crimes you have to have to raise your percent, thats why Alaska is so high considering LA has about 4 times the people than the entire state of Alaska.

blind ear · « **Reply #28 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:21:44 PM »

It says per 100,000 which would be a straight percentage I thought. You divide the total number of gun crimes in a state by the total population of the state. Gun crimes per capita/per citizen would be a decimil with amout six zeros behind it before the number (I thought).

It is the number of crimes per citizen and the total population will have no bearing on the outcome as far as ranking is concerned.

Per capita and per 100,000 should give the same percentage.

I am often and easily confused especially when it comes to being expected to believe some liberal politicians stats it seems. ear