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New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« on: January 13, 2011, 02:24:04 PM »
Here we go again. There is a new push for a ten round magazine limit. I haven't seen the actual bill yet, don't know what else is in there. Given the current climate you never know what will pass.

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 03:35:11 PM »
If introduced buy every hi cap mag you can find you'll be rich in 6 months.
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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 06:12:46 AM »
The problem is it makes no sense (or difference). Most shooters are not going to keep pulling the trigger till a hi cap mag is empty. There will likely be some gaps in the shooting. Those gaps will be the same amount of time it takes someone to load a fresh mag.  Even an unpracticed shooter should be able to switch mags in 5 seconds. 95% of the time in mass shootings 5 seconds isn't gonna mean crap.
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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2011, 09:32:17 AM »
When I bought my first Glock 6 months ago I picked up the 31 round mag to go with it, silly thing really, as it alters the balance of the gun.  But I figured, you never know.  I tested it and put it away, now with all this talk, I took it out and I might be able to sell it down the road for 2-3 times what I paid for it.   

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 09:47:06 AM »
When I bought my first Glock 6 months ago I picked up the 31 round mag to go with it, silly thing really, as it alters the balance of the gun.  But I figured, you never know.  I tested it and put it away, now with all this talk, I took it out and I might be able to sell it down the road for 2-3 times what I paid for it.   

I did the samething a few years back when they offered these larger capacity mags too.  I grabbed one for my 1911 and my 9mm cz pistol.  Why?  Do some ask because i could at the time.  Maybe i should buy more.  California is going to bann mail order ammo.  My point is one by one other states do follow one another.   Its just CZY ain't it?

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 11:40:28 AM »
Foolish if they do. On the other hand if I'm limited to magnum revolvers and 45 acp autos I won't be heart broken!

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 02:55:15 AM »
Loughner is a homicidal idiot. Is there any reason to believe that he would have complied with a hi-cap regulation if there was one?

And how about Peter King's idea of prohibiting the possession of a firearm within 1,000 ft of an elected official. Does anyone really believe that Loughner would have adhered to such a regulation if it was in effect?

The odds that these proposed laws would have changed Loughner's conduct are about the same as the odds of him following the vehicle & traffic law as he sped away from the shooting. How stupid!

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 09:52:47 AM »
If anyone finds the actual bill # please post it.  Being able to look up the specific bill will help alot to gauge how much support there is for it.

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2011, 10:19:58 AM »
If anyone finds the actual bill # please post it.  Being able to look up the specific bill will help alot to gauge how much support there is for it.


This may be a link to what the OP is referring.  If so, the general consensus from around the web seems to be it is already dead in the water, BUT, keep close watch.  We've seen the impossible flourish before.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47565.html
 

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 01:34:49 PM »
If anyone finds the actual bill # please post it.  Being able to look up the specific bill will help alot to gauge how much support there is for it.


This may be a link to what the OP is referring.  If so, the general consensus from around the web seems to be it is already dead in the water, BUT, keep close watch.  We've seen the impossible flourish before.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47565.html
 

Hopefully so.  I don't see a chance for much of this stuff until the 2012 elections, by which time I think most of the hoopla will have blown over.

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 07:04:40 PM »
If a hi-cap mag ban is passed and limits capacity to 10 rds., how long will it be until somebody says that 10 rds. is too much and tries to enact a bill to lower it to 8 rds? Here in kaliforny we are limited to 10 rds. Ya'll better stock up.
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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 08:26:49 PM »
If a hi-cap mag ban is passed and limits capacity to 10 rds., how long will it be until somebody says that 10 rds. is too much and tries to enact a bill to lower it to 8 rds? Here in kaliforny we are limited to 10 rds. Ya'll better stock up.

 You know,I was convinced that no serious gun legislation could pass,but this really could change that. The fact is,the dems control the senate,so it could pass there,and the president would most likely sign it,but the house is controlled by the republicans. The issue is of course,a member of the house was shot. Not only do they want to look like they are doing something they are human,they are going to want to FEEL like they are doing something. It was one of their coworkers who was shot,someone they knew and the only thing that they CAN do is pass laws,so its quite possible laws will be passed.

 Write you senators and and congressmen (and women) and remind them that no gun law would have stopped this guy. Dont go all over the place talking about how armed citizens could have stopped him or what not. Just remind them that even with 10 rd magazines he would have just reloaded as it only takes a second and that laws making it illegal to carry guns around congressmen would have been pointless as its clearly illegal to shoot them too,but he didn't pay much attention to that either. I suggest starting your email or letter off with something about your sincerest condolences regarding the loss of their colleague.Then move on to how you are concerned about how some are opportunistically using this as a change to advance their agendas. Perhaps mention the presidents speech or even quote him. Finally get to your point clearly. Dont go all over the place talking about how great it would be if everyone had a gun or how "an armed society is a polite society" or how if people there had been armed they could have stopped him sooner. Thats no relevant. What you want to get across is that none of the proposed laws would have or could have prevented that tragedy from taking place and they are just examples of the gun control activists (don't call them gun grabbers,call them gun control activists,it makes you look more reasonable) shamelessly exploiting a national tragedy to push through an unpopular agenda. Remember,your not an angry gun owner upset at the evil gun grabbers trying to use this to take your guns,your a concerned citizen,who is rather disgusted that these gun control activists are using a national tragedy to advance an unpopular agenda.

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2011, 08:50:16 PM »
I'm thinking that if it goes the way it did last time, the manufacturers will stock pile and we will have "pre-ban" mags for sale for a few years until the stock runs out.
Through most of the last ban, there were pre-bans to be found.

I don't care! I'm magged up on the high cap rifle mags and 8 rounders for my Kimber.......Guess that's self centered thinking......Oh well.
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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 03:11:18 AM »
It aint about "gun control". Its about legislators "doing something" in lieu of an incident. Just politics. I doubt the House will pass it anyway. I think the midterm elections taught them something. It would be too embarassing to admit they were negligent in not having a protective detail. 

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2011, 04:30:50 AM »
I'm thinking that if it goes the way it did last time, the manufacturers will stock pile and we will have "pre-ban" mags for sale for a few years until the stock runs out.
Through most of the last ban, there were pre-bans to be found.

If you look at the link provided, this particular bill that McCarthy is looking to introduce would outlaw the transfer of hicapacity mags as well.  So no matter how many of them they made if that bill passed they couldn't actually SELL them. 

Don't think it will pass, but it's definitely a nasty little bill if it did.


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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2011, 07:09:48 PM »
If introduced buy every hi cap mag you can find you'll be rich in 6 months.
The rumor I heard is that the bill will prohibit the transfer of 10rd magazines,so you might be broke in 6 mo

 Im keeping an eye on it personally. If it looks like its going to pass,looks like Ill be eating alot of ramen and buying a lot of guns. The hope is,that it will never get by the house,but who knows. Considering that it was one of theirs that was shot. Honestly,they are people,who just lost a co-worker. Its not just politics,its emotion now.

 One interesting thing to note in Arizona BTW is that they did NOT make it legal for anyone passing a federal background check to buy and carry a gun. That has been legal there for years. They made it legal for them to conceal that gun. Thats the only difference between the way the law used to be and the way it is now. Other than that Arizonas "lax" gun laws are no different than they are in most of the rest of the country. The only people that don't realize that are people that live in places with crazy gun laws (and are blessed with absolute safety and a total lack of any violent crime,like down in Los Angeles or in Chicago).

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2011, 04:56:31 AM »
Im keeping an eye on it personally. If it looks like its going to pass,looks like Ill be eating alot of ramen and buying a lot of guns.

Same here, though I MIGHT just go ahead and buy just the naughty bits of the guns in order to hopefully stretch the dollar further.

If this passes I already have it in my mind that in the future I'd LIKE to own a Glock 17, a S&W M&P 9mm, and a Ruger SR9 someday.  Other hanguns I want are compact models with smaller mag capacities and/or single stacks, so no biggie on those.  Affording all 3 at once - problematic, but buying 2 hi cap (17 rounders - I don't really care for anything that extends below the grip) mags for each ahead of time - not  nearly as difficult :)

And of course, there is the question of the AR's.  Already got one.  Pretty standard - .223 with all the naughty bits they wouldn't let me have during the AWB era - carry handle, bayonet lug, 30-round mag, etc :).  Just kinda debating about getting another in something like 6.8 SPC.  Man I hate this frustration though.  If they'd just leave us the heck alone I would have to worry about buying things up before they're gone.  Not to mention that I can't possibly understand how these people could be so stupid so as to not see that they're shooting themselves in the foot.  Every time they attempt to pass these laws, there a rush on them and many more of them than would normally be produced get put on the market.  Not that I care - the more the merrier, but for them it's the ultimate Streisand Effect.

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 05:02:23 AM »
History repetes , Bet the producers of mags are working 24/7 .
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2011, 04:52:08 PM »
History repetes , Bet the producers of mags are working 24/7 .

 What really would suck is all the gun stores and dealers that have stocks of high capacity magazines that they wont be able to sell.

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2011, 05:47:05 PM »
The bill could very possibly be amended before passage, to allow manufactures to sell off existing stock. Like the last ban.
I'm sure if it comes to it, the gun lobby guys will be all over that issue......Too much financial loss to let it slide.
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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2011, 01:23:27 AM »
Last time Glock and competition were taking in police trade ins and re selling the mags  ;) , they even sold orange training mags that were found in storage . Also the componets were sold , IE you could buy a follower , base plate , spring or body of a mag to replace a worn one . And the factory could replace damaged mags. It was illegal to buy parts and build mags ( I would guess buying all the parts would raise a red flag ) but if over time you replaced parts on different mags and at some point put the old parts from the repaired mags togather .................. Same with AR rifles OK the flash supp. or bayonet lug  was left off ................. BTW 11 rounds in an auto pistol is still a good deal and thinner and lighter ..............
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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2011, 04:18:13 AM »
I think the bill which is being introduced by Dems. in the Senate as well as the House, has a good chance of passage. When you consider the non-shooting urban idiots and the sentiment for the Tuscon victimas as well as the usual dramatics of the press, passage seems likely. I'm looking for some more Ruger mini-30 20 rd. factory mags.

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2011, 06:31:52 AM »
I don't see the House passing it. Same as the Senate won't pass the Health Care repeal. The main argument should be " Where was their protective detail?" Congresswoman with a Federal Judge? That guy should have been detained or "otherwise halted".  They should have been protected, even if it meant out of pocket.  Entirely an unnecessary incident....... They should blame their staff...... not America.   

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2011, 06:46:28 AM »
I don't see the House passing it. Same as the Senate won't pass the Health Care repeal. The main argument should be " Where was their protective detail?" Congresswoman with a Federal Judge? That guy should have been detained or "otherwise halted".  They should have been protected, even if it meant out of pocket.  Entirely an unnecessary incident....... They should blame their staff...... not America.   

I'm about of the same mindset.  Doubt the house will pass it.  This legislation has been introduced virtually every year since the AWB expired.

I will agree that they should have had some security there, but that wouldn't have likely stopped this guy - at most it would have just made the number of rounds he capped off a bit more limited.  I think in general we just have to learn that tragedies are a part of life.  There's not always someone or something to blame, and we shouldn't always go looking to blame someone.  The reality is that be it a knife, gun, homemade bomb, or whatever, people who are nutcases and want to kill people WILL do so.  That doesn't mean you just let your guard down, but we have to be willing to accept the tragedy and move on with our lives when it does happen - and it WILL - regardless of how many laws or feel good measures we pass. 

Sometimes I think that there are people who think that achieving Utopia is just a matter of passing just the right combination of laws.  Sadly, this is not, and will never be, the case.

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2011, 08:03:20 AM »
Just a thought,but what about all the mags marked "for law inforcement only" that were sold to everyone after the ban?
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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2011, 09:31:08 AM »
Just a thought,but what about all the mags marked "for law inforcement only" that were sold to everyone after the ban?

They're legal now and would remain so.  It's not a serious problem though.  All they'd need to do is mark them for the new one "For Law Enforcement Use Only AWB 2011".  Old ones marked LEO Only are legal - new ones have the date or year of manufacture stamped on them and are not.  I wouldn't rely on that easily solved technical triviality to give them any pause.

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2011, 06:00:25 PM »
I don't see the House passing it. Same as the Senate won't pass the Health Care repeal. The main argument should be " Where was their protective detail?" Congresswoman with a Federal Judge? That guy should have been detained or "otherwise halted".  They should have been protected, even if it meant out of pocket.  Entirely an unnecessary incident....... They should blame their staff...... not America.   

 Thats of course the problem. Political deal making. The democrats cannot back down on the health care bill. The reason they lost the election was NOT because "everyone was angry over the socialist health care bill". Thats just GOP red colored glasses. Yes,it energized the conservatives and that definitely helped but its so much more complex than that. The democrats were demoralized because they spent a year arguing over it,watering it down and trying to get GOP support,and failing to get ANY GOP support and then lost control their supermajority anyway. Make no mistake about it,the democratic base wanted the democrats to take their opportunity to implement ALL of the issues such as a full blown single payer health care system,sweeping environmental and renewable energy reforms and every other thing they have been talking about for years. They in fact EXPECTED at least some effort to do those things. If you doubt that,think about it for a second,when the conservatives were in that situation,GW did what the base elected him to do. Liberals hated him for it,but they would have hated him anyway. Liberals hate him as much as conservatives hate Obama. Actually,they hate him more,because while Obama really has not done nearly as much as liberals wanted him to,GW was very responsive to the core conservative base with things like tax cuts and his faith based initiatives.At the end of it all,GW got his second term. That being said,the democrats cant get negotiate away most of the health care bill because honestly,its one of the few things they did that even resemble what their base wants. Republicans will never come over to their side,so honestly,they dont care what they want. They have to get their own base out to vote,and then win enough moderates to make up the difference to win the election.

 The risk is this,that the democrats decide that they REALLY want gun control,because it could be a big win and now they see a way to get it. They wont negotiate away the health care bill,but they know all the incoming members of the house who campaigned on getting rid of it NEED to get rid of at least some of it. If they spend the next two years tilting at windmills,they will suffer the same fate as the democrats who got nothing done. They need something,and to get that something,they need to give something. The least popular part of the health care bill,in fact the ONLY part people really complain about (seriously,tell me another part that most people don't like,that ACTUALLY IS IN THE BILL. Stuff that really isn't in there does not count!) is the individual mandate. That bothers a lot of people on BOTH sides of the fence. Honestly,MOST people DONT CARE about esoteric arguments about market driven health care solutions being the most efficient ,but look at fining someone who does not have health care and think "Thats just not right"

 It seems like kicking someone when they are down. All of the esoteric economic arguments of how the pieces of the bill tie together ,or how a market driven reform might work is meaningless to them. The problem is of course,the individual mandate is  necessary for other more popular parts to work (lets not get into a debate over whether or not it works at all,its there for a reason,and whether you think it does not work or think its great,the individual mandate serves an important,even pivotal purpose in the legislation). In general,people LIKE the idea that insurance companies cant deny coverage (or charge crazy rates) to babies born with pre-existing conditions. The problem of course is,if your going to do those sorts of things,you either need a single payer system,which is just never going to happen here,or the individual mandate (which was ironically a republican idea) or pehaps some sort market driven solution that does the same thing and somehow gives insurance companies an incentive to make health care affordable and cover those children. Any way you do it,you have to spread the costs around,because that's how health coverages (of which insurance is only one kind) work. Its easier for most people to understand a law that says "you have to cover them" than a set of incentives,tax breaks and other things given to insurance companies and businesses that most people would see as a handout. Thats something people can get their head around,its the law,so they HAVE to do it. (and they wont think about the potential issues it might cause,or how certain things are necessary to support that) Essentiall they might make a compromise so that everyone feels they are getting what they want and has something to take home to their constituents.

 What Im worried about is that the GOP will strike a deal.

 Certain members of the house who are not up for re-election will support the gun control bill. There will be just enough votes to get it to squeak through. It will easily pass the senate,and the republicans in contested districts and states will still be able to say "I voted against it!" and keep their NRA ratings. In return, the democrats will sign on to repealing the individual mandate. What they wont repeal are the provisions that the individual mandate was required to support like elimination of pre-existing conditions. Without that,then people can just sign up for the cheapest insurance,or none at all until they need coverage for something really expensive,then increase their insurance to pay for it. It changes the whole risk calculation. The HARD part,how do you vote to take away the requirement that insurance companies pay for infants congenital heart defects will be put off for a few years. They will decide that it will happen AFTER the 2012 elections,so in their own self interest,none of the current politicians will want to tackle it now. Republicans will think,"We can use our victory repealing part of the health care bill to win big in 2012 and then repeal the whole damn thing,after all,now that we got rid of the mandate,the whole thing is impossible anyway!" Democrats will think "We can use the fact that we are being responsive to voters and "reworked (really,nothing will be reworked,just an essential provision of the legislation removed without any way to fix it) an unpopular provision of the bill,as well as our big win on gun control to energize our base." They will say that while the GOP wanted to do nothing other than scrap the entire bill,never the less they managed to compromise and make the bill better. The GOP will be able to say they took the first steps to undoing it. The Dems will say they resisted GOP attempts to eliminate while actually managing to "improve it" At the end of the day,the health care issues will BE WORSE than they were with the bill as passed,and will be worse than they were BEFORE the bill was passed. (because really,when it comes down to it,no politician wants to be the one that took medical care away from sick babies). I dont even pretend to know how that mess will pay out. It will depend on who manages to play the politics game best but will probably just be a mess especially if neither party wins really big in 2012.

What we will have is a big fat gun control bill that wont stop with high capacity magazines. (after all,the Dems support to chip off a piece of their big accomplishment wont come cheap)

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2011, 07:55:01 PM »
IT didn't affect me before and it won't affect me afterward. I have no need or use of hi capacity magazines. Another reason for the manufactures to make more money- just like the " ammunition shortage" from a few years ago.

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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2011, 09:07:17 PM »
IT didn't affect me before and it won't affect me afterward. I have no need or use of hi capacity magazines. Another reason for the manufactures to make more money- just like the " ammunition shortage" from a few years ago.

 What about semiautomatic weapons that can "accept 10rd magazines" or weapons that "Have no legitimate sporting uses" or any other crazy definition they throw in there. What worries me is that if they start making deals,anything the GOP wants is going to come at a steep price,and that price will be paid by us gun owners. I have no doubt that they will sell out their constituents on gun control so long as they can pretend that "Only a few congressman" supported it. If it happens,watch how the only ones that vote for it will be ones that are not up for re-election in districts that have any credible competition. When that happens,you KNOW that they were pretty much all on board and those who were in no danger took the fall for those that would risk their re-election chances. I hope it does not happen,but considering one of their own was shot,there are going to be a certain number of them that actually WANT it,and that's going to make a deal a lot easier.

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Re: New bill prohibits more then ten round mags
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2011, 01:19:15 AM »
 2nd amn says nothing about "SPORTING USE"
 When it was written citizens were allowed the same weapons as standing army .
 We can debate what is legal and what is not but the 2nd amn says arms with no list of legal or not legal.
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