Author Topic: Sierra MK Bullets - Revisited (Read 2244 times)

ricciardelli · « **on:** November 22, 2002, 10:41:11 AM »

Please don't tell the deer this bullet is no good for hunting!

First shot was at a white tail doe. Distance was about 475 yards. One shot, one kill. The animal dropped like a ton of bricks. Didn't move an inch after the bullet hit (bullet? bullet? 7mm mag, 168 Sierra HPBT MK, doing around 2992 fps.)

Second shot was at a white tail buck. Distance was around 300 yards. Again, one shot, one kill. And this animal dropped just like the first one! Same load.

Now tell me that Sierra MK bullets aren't worth a damn for hunting!

I am CAL......... · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2002, 06:24:12 PM »

Looks like to me you got lucky twice! Round here part of the hunt is to get in a reasonable range for a good shot placement.Have a friend that killed one with a car last night,dead in his tracks. My 2 cents worth.I am CAL...... :roll:

BubbaP · « **Reply #2 on:** November 24, 2002, 10:16:00 AM »

Did you recover any bullets or see signs of expansion? Do you regularly take shots over 400 yds? What's your success ratio on these shots?

ricciardelli · « **Reply #3 on:** November 24, 2002, 01:14:35 PM »

Quote from: BubbaP

Did you recover any bullets or see signs of expansion? Do you regularly take shots over 400 yds? What's your success ratio on these shots?

My average shot is 327 yards for 226 kills. They range form 35 feet to 725 yards.

My success ratio is 100% for one-shot kills.

And, I do not look for bullet remains. If the animal drops where I shoot it, with one shot, I am satisfied.

I do look, while field dressing, for organ damage.

Peapicker · « **Reply #4 on:** November 24, 2002, 04:36:10 PM »

I got to thinking, which can be dangerous, but my success ratio is
100% for one shot kills also. I've killed a total of 10 deer, eight were one shot kills and two required a second shot. The last two don't count because the were not one shot kills. I also might add, all the deer in one shot kills died.

Just Thinking,
Peapicker :lol:

Peapicker · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2002, 02:56:29 PM »

Don't let your blood pressure get the best of you.

Peapicker

I am CAL......... · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2002, 05:16:36 PM »

BW,I believes all ya said bout tha longrange stuff.Killed er few merself.I has er problem believing any of tha goodole boys what can average 327 yd.shots fer 227 kills. I didn't say he didn't do it mind ya.I said I didn't thank I could believe it merself.I mighter been born at night but it watton last nite. Mer ole Daddy said "if ya good at somethin ya don't hafta toot ya whistle cause everbody already knows it".Ya right about another thang too son,we is our worst enemy.Jest my thoughts,no harm ment.I am CAL...... :-D

jeff f · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2002, 07:37:59 PM »

for all you "long shot nay sayers" you really need to get out more. if you would like i will introduce you to a couple of my old friends in the military. they are called snipers. if you think 500 yards is a long shot at a deer, try 1400 meters at a human. now ask yourself, which one would be more important for a "one shot kill"? by todays standards. with todays equipment availability, 500 yards is like childs play in the hands of an experienced long range shooter. there is nothing wrong "ethically" by training yourself to make such shots. it isnt rocket science. just because you chose to limit your shots to shorter distances doesnt mean the long range guys are doing anything wrong. and it doesnt make you a a"better hunter" because you get closer. it just means you like to get closer. as a matter of fact, with the many long range snipers i know, i will pick them on a 600 yard deer over any average hunter at any distance including 100 yards or less. yes, i know, there is wind and all that. no kidding. you think those guys dont know that? do you think they dont know how to tell what the wind is doing? well that would make you wrong. they know all about wind and every other element affecting bullet trajectory. dont knock things you know nothing about. they call that closed minds. it really puts you at a disadvantage.

jeff

ps i will admit that ric's post sounded very arrogant. he doesnt represent all long range shooters. most of them are just like the rest of us, hunters. and i will admit that this post may sound a little arogant. but how do the negative posts sound? telling someone they are basically "stupid" for shooting at game at long range? sounds very arrogant to me. ours is a sport where 1. things get wounded and 2. things die, live with both or get out of the sport because like the bible, those 2 facts are the undisputed truth.

yella hammer · « **Reply #8 on:** November 26, 2002, 11:53:45 AM »

I have never shot at anything over 200yrds(200 was just to see how much the bullet dropped)
there just aint that much room where I hunt

Question for you long shot takers
Has your target ever run off with bullet in transit?

The longer the shot is the more time the target has to react in its environment (not the sound of the report) right?

With an AVERAGE velocity(using muzzel velocity and velocity at target) of 2900fps (which by the way would be dang fast) would give said target .2sec at 200yrd and over 1/2sec at 500yrd right?

Now, who shoots a rifle that will average 2900fps to 500yrd?

yeah I'm thinkin too.... cept I had to use avg. velocity cause I forgot how to do the physics and don't carry balistic information on my person

ricciardelli · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2002, 04:58:03 PM »

Whitetail and mule deer will do around 30 MPH on a flat-out panic run. Generally they do around 12 to 15 MPH on a "get-away" run, and amble about at around 3 MPH.

Thsi all means that if the animal is just ambling around, it will move less than 1 inch in the time it takes your bullet to go 200 yards. If it is alerted and doing a mild "get-away" run, then it will travel 3-1/2" to 4" in that same .2 seconds.

I don't shoot at deer or antelope on a full run...

I have clocked antelope doing 65 MPH on a full run, and they can hang at that speed as long as they are being chased, practically. However, if they are alerted and start to scurry, they will stop after around 150 to 200 yards and turn around to see if they are safe...

Graybeard · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2002, 12:05:18 AM »

Steve Lad I'm gonna hafta take exception to your math on that last post. :eek:

30 mph is 44 feet per second cuz 60 mph is 88 fps. So in 2/10ths of a second or the 0.2 second you mentioned it could move 1/5 of that 44 feet which is more like 8.8 feet NOT inches. Me thinks 8.8' makes a miss if it moves out at that rate. Now 3 mph in your example would be only 1/10th of that or 0.88' which is more like 10" which is a really poor hit generally speaking if you fail to properly account for it. Do the math.

GB

ricciardelli · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2002, 04:32:59 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

Steve Lad I'm gonna hafta take exception to your math on that last post. :eek:

30 mph is 44 feet per second cuz 60 mph is 88 fps. So in 2/10ths of a second or the 0.2 second you mentioned it could move 1/5 of that 44 feet which is more like 8.8 feet NOT inches. Me thinks 8.8' makes a miss if it moves out at that rate. Now 3 mph in your example would be only 1/10th of that or 0.88' which is more like 10" which is a really poor hit generally speaking if you fail to properly account for it. Do the math.

GB

I stand corrected, and thanks....

ricciardelli · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2002, 04:33:52 AM »

Quote from: george

Just curious if ricciardelli is the author of stevespages.com.
George

Yes

Peapicker · « **Reply #13 on:** November 27, 2002, 11:42:40 AM »

At what distance and at what speed were most of your 226 one shot kills?

Peapicker

jeff f · « **Reply #14 on:** November 27, 2002, 08:08:21 PM »

i learned the hard way on running shots when i was a teenager. i was shooting at a doe at full tilt running directly broadside to me. she was about 150-200 yards. i started by putting the crosshairs on her in the vitals and kaboom. i saw the bullet hit about 10 yards behind her. next shot i led her about half the distance of the scope field of veiw. again, way behind her. the next 2 shots i used the farthest point to the outside of the crosshair horizontal bar, just inside the scopes edge, again behind her by at least 5 feet. it would have been impossible for me to shoot her with the set up i had. at the time i was using a 6 power fixed weaver. i dont take shots like that anymore ;-) slow trots yes, hauling you know what...no way.

jeff

Nobade · « **Reply #15 on:** November 28, 2002, 05:45:48 AM »

Haha...did we ever get 1,000 replies to this one over on Accuratereloading? Let's see if we can get it here! Here's my contribution...

bubba · « **Reply #16 on:** November 28, 2002, 05:54:12 AM »

I guess I wil stick with my 50 yard and less shot at a standing deer. I guess I just believe in a clean ethical one shot kill and always will. 400 yards is a bit further than anyone should be shooting at a whitetail. Just too many factors that can go wrong for me, standing or running or even driving his car.