Author Topic: Two New Loads out for the .22WMR (Read 3855 times)

Tommie D · « **on:** January 17, 2011, 08:57:10 AM »

Glad to see the manufactures are making new stuff for the .22WMR.

Speer - Gold Dot® Short Barrel® Personal Protection - 22 Win. Mag. http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/short_brl.aspx

Hornady - 22 WMR 45 gr Critical Defense® http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-45gr-Critical-Defense/

rdmallory · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2011, 10:24:06 AM »

Be interested to see what it will do in the new KelTec 22WMR pistol.

Doug

quasne.inc · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2011, 11:10:32 AM »

If I can find a PMR-30.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2011, 11:15:52 AM »

So........from the specs they look lik .22LR loads that fit a .22 Mag (40gr/1150fps & 45gr/1000fps).
I guess Im glad I kept a .22LR chambered gun for 'protection'. If all you have is a .22Mag gun and use these arent they ballistically the same as mine.
FWIW, I think Id rather use the .22Mag Win. Dynapoint 45gr flash plated lead HP @ about 1300fps, or am I missing something here?

Bob A · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2011, 12:11:37 PM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on January 19, 2011, 11:15:52 AM

So........from the specs they look lik .22LR loads that fit a .22 Mag (40gr/1150fps & 45gr/1000fps).
I guess Im glad I kept a .22LR chambered gun for 'protection'. If all you have is a .22Mag gun and use these arent they ballistically the same as mine.
FWIW, I think Id rather use the .22Mag Win. Dynapoint 45gr flash plated lead HP @ about 1300fps, or am I missing something here?

I think you are missing the fact that the Speer and Hornady data is with a 2" barrel. I haven't found any data for 22LR or Dynapoints with a 2" barrel and we don't have data for the new loads with 6.5" barrels.

Bob a

gcrank1 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2011, 01:46:09 PM »

Right you are.
I hope someone here can actually chrono those new offerings, and the mentioned Dynapoints, and/or others in a short barrel so we have something other than manufacturers hype to go by. After years of hearing their claims and seeing what stuff actually chrono's at, Im leary. Ive never seen a chron'ed loading meet manufacturers claims yet. Not to say they arent close, or dont do the job intended; and it is good to see they are making more options. I may be tempted to try those two in my rifle; might be a quiet yard varmint load there.

rdmallory · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2011, 02:41:52 PM »

Hope the price comes down some. $16 a box is only $3 less then what I pay for 5.7x28.

Doug

ohiobenito · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2011, 10:57:23 AM »

wow doesn't say much for the 380, since it's just as good as a 22 mag.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2011, 11:05:39 AM »

Thats why things like penetration tests in a 'medium' are only one aspect of the performance. It disregards the effect of frontal area on a perp. I would rather have even a .22 over no gun, but if it was knowin' I was walking into a gunfight it would be a 12ga. pump or auto with slugs and buck.
Yeah, Bell took down elephant with .303 and 7mm, but his preferred elephant gun was bigger.

Keith L · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2011, 04:48:42 PM »

Few LEs use the 9MM any longer because of lack of power. .380 is far less powerful. These souped up .22s are less powerful than the .380. Thanks, but no thanks. I will keep my .45 for personal defense.

GregD · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2011, 02:45:52 PM »

Back in 1972 I had just started working LE and responded to a cab driver that had been robbed and shot. The victim was shot twice, at close range, in the face and left temple, blowing part of his jaw and teeth on the passenger side of the floor next to the door. The detectives working the case made an arrest and recovered the handgun used, a High Standard .22 magnum derringer. I was amazed at the damage this small pistol had done, of course this was my first homicide scene, never forgot it. The offender stated that he had shot the victim from about 2 feet, standing on the outside of the vehicle facing the driver.

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #11 on:** March 11, 2011, 01:53:10 AM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on January 19, 2011, 01:46:09 PM

Right you are.
I hope someone here can actually chrono those new offerings, and the mentioned Dynapoints, and/or others in a short barrel so we have something other than manufacturers hype to go by. After years of hearing their claims and seeing what stuff actually chrono's at, Im leary. Ive never seen a chron'ed loading meet manufacturers claims yet. Not to say they arent close, or dont do the job intended; and it is good to see they are making more options. I may be tempted to try those two in my rifle; might be a quiet yard varmint load there.

I cronographed the Dynapoint in S&W 48, Dan Wesson 722 both with 6" barrel and a 8" 22 WMR that was quite accurate, but the Dynapoint ammo that was rated 1550 by factory was only averaging about 1100 FPS out the revolvers and about 1200 FPS from the automatic and the CCI that was rated about 2100 FPS was about 1700 FPS in the 8" automatic and only 1350 FPS out the revolvers. Now these figures could vary about 50 FPS up or down as it's been two years since the testing and I didn't keep the info paper.

After this I sold all 22 WMR's except the Dan Wesson, took the WMR cylinder out and reinstalled the LR cylinder and never used the WMR cylinder since. I will also say that all but one 22LR out FPS the WMR's in the revolver and they both shot to same point of aim regardless of cylinder used.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:00:21 AM »

That is good info; Im sure the powder they are using is intended to burn in a longer barrel. It might be interesting if they made handgun specific 22Mag loads.
The velo/bullet wt. energy tells a tale, but I do remember that out of one handgun I messed about with that when I was swatting the little steel targets the 22M loads were thwacking them with noticably more authority than the 22LR, even though I knew the mags werent anywhere near the factory rifle velo.
BTW, when I chrono'ed the Dynapoints in a couple of rifles (a 20" and 22") they only averaged about 1500, not the 1550. I do like that 45gr. bullet, even though its only 5gr. heavier than a 40gr. LR the pecentage of weight increase is getting meaningful in something that size. With a Paco Kelly tool to flatten the tip I think they would be a better game getter than the HP.

pastorp · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2011, 07:07:03 AM »

Actually gcrank, the 7x57 was Bells preferred elephant rifle. And it worked remarkably well for his style of hunting.

Regards,

gcrank1 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2011, 03:42:28 PM »

My apologies; I experienced a moment of CRS......and laziness for not double checking.
On the authority of T. Howard-Davies and Robert Ruark I meant to reference Harry Selby who favored the .416 Rigby.

LunaticFringeInc · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2011, 05:16:41 PM »

If these two 22 Mag loads are performing hot on the heels of the .380 ACP and doing it out of handgun length barrels and using quality bullets designed for PD, then I would say its a considerable step up in power levels than whats currently available. Now thats not to say I am ready to give up my 1911 in 45 ACP anytime soon, but maybe I might add a couple of boxes of these to my Single Six in my truck just incase I find myself pretty desperate and with nothing better to resort to.

I actually kind of hope that these two loads sells well enough to motivate the factories to come up with something even more improved and effective.

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:49:59 AM »

Did anyone notice the drop in velocity from 1700 fps in 24" barrel to 1032 fps out a 2" revolver? That's 668 fps drop and about what we were seeing couple years ago when we tested several brands of ammo in LR & WMR in two revolvers and the 8" accelerator WMR auto pistol and my Marlin 1894M (WMR) and a friends Savage rifle. Our crono testing told me that it was time to get rid of my 22 WMR's and I did, except the Dan Wesson and with it I just changed the cylinder out and stored it in parts cabinet. Traded off the S&W 48 for NIB S&W 2206 on even swap with it's unfired LR cylinder, mainly because the gun was too small and light of frame to my linking. Still have the 2206 and its a keeper for sure as it has suppressor adapter and I will get a suppressor this summer.

chefjeff · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2011, 03:35:04 PM »

Please describe the Paco Kelly tool and where to get or how to make one. Pic? Thanx.

Waldo Pepper · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2011, 04:23:47 PM »

Quote from: chefjeff on March 13, 2011, 03:35:04 PM

Please describe the Paco Kelly tool and where to get or how to make one. Pic? Thanx.

Hre's a video of it being used. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LINl6TRpg84

cwlongshot · « **Reply #19 on:** April 08, 2011, 08:55:32 AM »

Have used the GD offering for a couple years but have yet to see the hornady. I hear told it's delayed until late June.

Persoanlly I like the extreams. The lightest and heaviest bullets I have squirreled away a small amou t of the old federal 50gr loading. It works great and altho it's a HP I think expansion would be subject. But the extra weight is good for penetration and I feel this is where the 22mag is lacking as a defensive caliber. ( Besides being an inferior and less reliable. Rim fire)

CW