Letters to editor on abortion.

[powderman]

..But we must stop and realize..many of these same people also voted for a guy named ... Barack Hussein Obama...to be our president




Yep, they still support him and his lack of morals or family values. POWDERMAN. 

[Junior1942]

..But we must stop and realize..many of these same people also voted for a guy named ... Barack Hussein Obama...to be our president




Yep, they still support him and his lack of morals or family values. POWDERMAN. 

PM, that's your dumbest post yet.  The man loves his wife and daughters.  You give Christians a bad name.

[powderman]

junior. If the obamination had any morals or family values he would teach his children that life is sacred and that killing babies is wrong, and that homosexuality is an abomination in Gods eyes, instead of an accepted lifestyle. Even knowing these things, you support him. POWDERMAN. 

[bigbird09]

junior. If the obamination had any morals or family values he would teach his children that life is sacred and that killing babies is wrong, and that homosexuality is an abomination in Gods eyes, instead of an accepted lifestyle. Even knowing these things, you support him. POWDERMAN. 

For being a Christian you sure do judge people pretty hard and cast a lot of stones.

[Junior1942]

junior. If the obamination had any morals or family values he would teach his children that life is sacred and that killing babies is wrong, and that homosexuality is an abomination in Gods eyes, instead of an accepted lifestyle. Even knowing these things, you support him. POWDERMAN. 

Killing babies is wrong, but a fertilized egg isn't a baby, no matter what your preacher/priest says.    And homosexuality couldn't possibly be an abomination to God because he created homosexuals. 

[teamnelson]

Killing babies is wrong, but a fertilized egg isn't a baby, no matter what your preacher/priest says.    And homosexuality couldn't possibly be an abomination to God because he created homosexuals. 

Junior, even you have to admit that both of those statements are in debate; neither has universal acceptance as truth, and both have been dropped by the very movements that propagated them years ago. On your first point, there are many many more medical professionals today that consider the fertilized egg a baby given all of our breakthroughs in sonography. It is requiring more and more faith to deny the personality of the unborn baby than is required of most religions. And your second point has also been disproven by science and appropriately dropped by the pro-homosexual movement. There is no scientific evidence of genetic predisposition towards homosexuality in humans. Its a choice, and all of the homosexuals I know (all very educated professionals) are content to say so, and find no need to fight science on the subject.

Really of all the views expressed here, yours has been among the most rabidly dogmatic, clinging to a faith that has been rejected by its very founders as its lack of basis in truth has been exposed by scientific development. I conclude that given the level of passion you have on this subject, it is doubtful there is anything anyone could say that would even cause you to question your position. You're clearly an absolutist, and I can respect that.

[billy_56081]

By juniors statement murderers, child molestors, thieves, rapists and kidnappers are fine, as in his own twisted words, "God created them". Liberal parasites, will they stop at nothing to force their twisted perverted agenda upon us?

[powderman]

BIGBIRD. What I said about the obamination is proven fact, being pro death and pro gay is part of the dem party platform that he ran on and he has stated so himself many times. I also pointed out the fact that junior supports him. Not judging anybody, just repeating the established facts. POWDERMAN. 

[teamnelson]

I do admit its been confusing that when it comes to abortion, the issue of choice is the high ground, but when it comes to homosexuality, it seems more comforting to some to imagine that choice was not involved. Its rationally inconsistent, at least according to some of the homosexuals I've asked. I've got a lot more respect for someone that doesn't try to hide their choice behind pseudo science, even when its morally reprehensible. If your going to spit in God's eye, might as well stand up.

[yellowtail3]

Between Junior & Crusty ..we have a wealth of Bible experts...both wrong and missing the major points ! ..

Hmmm... did either one of those guys claim to be Bible experts?

[buffermop]

Isn't it amazing how man can bend the laws of GOD to suit his own needs?

[ironglow]

  From Yellowtail;

Between Junior & Crusty ..we have a wealth of Bible experts...both wrong and missing the major points ! ..

Hmmm... did either one of those guys claim to be Bible experts?

   yellowtail;
       Their own statements prove the point !
   Surely they are cognizant that they are dealing with a number of people who carefully and  employ the Bible as their very direction in life.  They all study and exegete it regularly.  Some of us teach regularly and preach occasionally, whiole some such as teamNelson have been called into it as a life's work.
    So, it stands to reason that if they are going to attempt to use the Bible in making their debate points against the pro-life side..they MUST consider themselves as being an expert in handling the Bible.

  See     Junior's comment..post#41, page 2       see Crusty's post # 45, pg 2
     

[SHOOTALL]

I do admit its been confusing that when it comes to abortion, the issue of choice is the high ground, but when it comes to homosexuality, it seems more comforting to some to imagine that choice was not involved. Its rationally inconsistent, at least according to some of the homosexuals I've asked. I've got a lot more respect for someone that doesn't try to hide their choice behind pseudo science, even when its morally reprehensible. If your going to spit in God's eye, might as well stand up.

But its hard to stand up and be a man when you act like a woman 

[ironglow]

  JUNIOR says;

     Killing babies is wrong, but a fertilized egg isn't a baby, no matter what your preacher/priest says.    And homosexuality couldn't possibly be an abomination to God because he created homosexuals...


   Junior; Junior; Junior;

         There you go again !  Just because you say it's not a baby..doesn't mean it is not a baby !   It only means YOU THINK it is not a baby !  Somehow, it appears to most of us that preachers and/or priests may well have a better 'handle' on such eternal questions..than Junior does..
    Your statement about homosexuals again simply points out your unfamiliarity with God and his word.  God has clearly condemned homosexuality and a range of other sins..incest, beastiality, necromancy, illicit drugs (sorcery), drunkeness and a host of other things.
      Yes, God did create such things as grapes, poppies and other things...but not to be used the way some have misused them ! 
   As to the question of homosexuality..let's use some common sense them.  God creasted woman, she even has the equipment to be a prostitute...but He says such a diversion is sin. Same goes for the confused homosexual. 
      What you seem to have missed is that  God did give us a "free will ", where he can use responsibly what God has provided ...or use it  for sinful purposes..
   Spreading untruths about God's creative works can get you in very serious trouble...with God..

[Junior1942]

I do admit its been confusing that when it comes to abortion, the issue of choice is the high ground, but when it comes to homosexuality, it seems more comforting to some to imagine that choice was not involved. Its rationally inconsistent, at least according to some of the homosexuals I've asked. I've got a lot more respect for someone that doesn't try to hide their choice behind pseudo science, even when its morally reprehensible. If your going to spit in God's eye, might as well stand up.

So homosexuals choose to be homosexual, huh?  A guy is born straight as a arrow and suddenly decides he wants another guy, huh?  How about you perform a small test.  Tell your best male buddy that you want to kiss him on the lips to see if you like it or not.  The very thought is revolting, huh?  Disgusting to the max?  So how can you think anyone else could suddenly like it? 

[yellowtail3]

  From Yellowtail;

Between Junior & Crusty ..we have a wealth of Bible experts...both wrong and missing the major points ! ..

Hmmm... did either one of those guys claim to be Bible experts?

   yellowtail;
       Their own statements prove the point !
   Surely they are cognizant that they are dealing with a number of people who carefully and  employ the Bible as their very direction in life.  They all study and exegete it regularly.  Some of us teach regularly and preach occasionally, whiole some such as teamNelson have been called into it as a life's work.
    So, it stands to reason that if they are going to attempt to use the Bible in making their debate points against the pro-life side..they MUST consider themselves as being an expert in handling the Bible.

  See     Junior's comment..post#41, page 2       see Crusty's post # 45, pg 2

So it sounds like the answer to my question is, no, neither junior nor crusty made any claim to expertise, as you implied.

I'm catching a claim of bible expertise from you, being one of 'us' who regularly teach and preach (though that's no assurance of truth, as you well know). I'm guessing self-appointed role of bible expert makes you right about things? And implying that someone else made claim to same, when they did not, casts doubt upon their arguments?

got it, I think..

[billy_56081]

Jr. I am sure my best male friend would be just as revolted by the suggestion of relations with a child, dead body or an animal. Just goes to show you perversion is repulsive!

[Junior1942]

Jr. I am sure my best male friend would be just as revolted by the suggestion of relations with a child, dead body or an animal. Just goes to show you perversion is repulsive!

That's my point.  You can't make yourself like it.

[powderman]

That's my point.  You can't make yourself like it.





I wouldn't know, never tried it, never would. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

So Jr we are in agreement that homosexuality is a perversion on the same level as the others I mentioned then?

[Junior1942]

So Jr we are in agreement that homosexuality is a perversion on the same level as the others I mentioned then?

No.  IMHO, it's normal, at least for those with homosexual tendencies.  They can't change their preference any more than you can.

[powderman]

No.  IMHO, it's normal, at least for those with homosexual tendencies.  They can't change their preference any more than you can.




junior. They  can darn sure control their actions. They want to go to hell it's their choice, but normal and acceptable to decent people with moral standards and family values, it is not. POWDERMAN. 

[Junior1942]

No.  IMHO, it's normal, at least for those with homosexual tendencies.  They can't change their preference any more than you can.




junior. They  can darn sure control their actions. They want to go to hell it's their choice, but normal and acceptable to decent people with moral standards and family values, it is not. POWDERMAN. 

If you get the theocracy you want for the USA maybe they'll appoint you Minister of Vice and Virtue, and you can arrest all the homosexuals and have them shot.  By the way, how would you go about testing for who's homosexual and who isn't?  Should be interesting to see who you'd bring out of the closet, especially since many homophobes/ homo-haters actually hate their own sexual urges. 

[SHOOTALL]

If you have not seen stright men switch of their own choice I suggest you visit a penitentry its done on a regular basis .

[crustylicious]

   


               

[ironglow]

  From Yellowtail;

Between Junior & Crusty ..we have a wealth of Bible experts...both wrong and missing the major points ! ..

Hmmm... did either one of those guys claim to be Bible experts?

   yellowtail;
       Their own statements prove the point !
   Surely they are cognizant that they are dealing with a number of people who carefully and  employ the Bible as their very direction in life.  They all study and exegete it regularly.  Some of us teach regularly and preach occasionally, whiole some such as teamNelson have been called into it as a life's work.
    So, it stands to reason that if they are going to attempt to use the Bible in making their debate points against the pro-life side..they MUST consider themselves as being an expert in handling the Bible.

  See     Junior's comment..post#41, page 2       see Crusty's post # 45, pg 2

So it sounds like the answer to my question is, no, neither junior nor crusty made any claim to expertise, as you implied.

I'm catching a claim of bible expertise from you, being one of 'us' who regularly teach and preach (though that's no assurance of truth, as you well know). I'm guessing self-appointed role of bible expert makes you right about things? And implying that someone else made claim to same, when they did not, casts doubt upon their arguments?

got it, I think..

   Not too alert there Yellowtail;
          When one does make a lifelong study of a subject..such as the Bible, chances are they have a bit better grasp of the Bible than ;
   
      A) Somebody who THINKS he knows the Bible...and then "quotes" something somebody has told him is in the Bible, but really isn't found there.  (see Junior, post #41, pg 2)
                                                                                  ....or

    B)  Somebody who normally attemptys  to ridicule the Bible and those who believe it, as he does in his post ....#41...pg 2

[teamnelson]

If you get the theocracy you want for the USA

If someone has a moral opinion based on their faith, that they are willing to voice in a free society, does that mean they want a theocracy?

[Junior1942]

Re: ironglow and "See     Junior's comment..post#41, page 2"

>In the Bible God told his prophet Jeremiah, I knew ye before I formed thee in the womb. Thats tells me that God is saying that life begins at conception. It can be found in the 1st chapter of Jeremiah, verses 4 and 5. Charlie.

So PM is qualified to interpret the Bible and I'm not?  He said the above Bible sentence means life begins at conception.  I say it says no such thing.  It begins BEFORE conception! The "I knew ye..." proves it.  A "ye" is a person, obviously in this case--a Biblical quote!--a sperm cell or an egg.   So God plainly said  that a sperm and an egg are people.  Therefore, I say start having funerals for used sanitary napkins and condoms.

[Junior1942]

If you get the theocracy you want for the USA

If someone has a moral opinion based on their faith, that they are willing to voice in a free society, does that mean they want a theocracy?

No, of course not.  But you'll never convince me that PM isn't working toward a goal of a Christian Taliban.

[teamnelson]

you'll never convince me ...

You got to respect a man who holds fast to his convictions.