Author Topic: Letters to editor on abortion. (Read 13588 times)

scootrd · « **Reply #90 on:** January 29, 2011, 08:01:01 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on January 28, 2011, 11:55:51 AM

Scoot;
By your reply to my previous post to you, I can only believe that you have no knowledge or experience with how such things were handled prior to the fishy 1973 Roe v Wade decision. Since the full picture can not be comprehended without this information, there is little we can discuss on the subject.

I readily admit I don't ,
As I stated My religion does not condone Abortion , and it would not be my personal choice. And my family has never had to face such an issue.

However,
One cannot negate the fact Some religions do when it comes to protecting the mother, and if Roe v Wade was overturned
Has this protection for the life of the mother now not been removed ? and does the overturning now place those people trying to follow their religious belief in a legal predicament rather than just have to make a very difficult and very personal religious decision?

powderman · « **Reply #91 on:** January 29, 2011, 12:16:45 PM »

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Don't you know? I run a fifty-ho' cathouse outside Las Vegas. We give volume discounts to Baptist preachers.

junior. That would explain a lot. Keeping all your property baby free would be a must for you. Does the local baby butcher shop give you group rates?? Working girls can't be bothered with raising a baby. I'm beginning to understand. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #92 on:** January 29, 2011, 12:44:26 PM »

Scoot;
While I, can understand your concern with your friends' dilemma, what do you suppose was done prior to the passage of the Roe v Wade decision ? Fact is, medical people thought first of saving the mother's life...which may even go as far as a "theraputic C-section", whereby the baby was usually lost; but not always.
Such gut wrenching problems do not always come out negatively...
A pregnant Pam Tebow was told a couple decades ago that drugs required to bring her out of a coma would either give her a dead baby or a severely handicapped one. She refused to sacrifice her baby, instead Pam trusted God and had many praying for her. Her son grew up to be a star football player. Naturally she is pleased that she trusted god, rather than man.. Perhaps you saw their video which was broadcast during the last superbowl. It included both mother & son..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh0FTKe92JY

As one believer to another I must be candid with you; you claim you don't believe in abortion but wouldn't interfere with then widespread practice of this crime. I'm sorry, I can't buy that !
Neither I nor my church believe in rape, child molestation, murder or swindling folks...but I would not stand by and do nothing to stop any one of these crimes from taking place !! Yet it seems like you don't mind crimes around about you...just ignore them..
Pardon me, but that sounds much more like a liberal reaction, rather than a Christian one..

ironglow · « **Reply #93 on:** January 29, 2011, 01:03:45 PM »

Junior, Junior, Junior;
I see by your post#89 that you are still joking about 50 million children not present with us. i assure you, it is not a laughing matter.
Perhaps you did not see the photos of the "fertilized eggs" you were speaking of..by all means, take a look at your handiwork !

ENJOY: http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS345US345&q=aborted+baby+pictures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1259&bih=776

Nobody calling themselves human or with any vestige of conscience, who just stands by and lets this evil happen to little boys & girls...has a serious personal problem.

DDZ · « **Reply #94 on:** January 29, 2011, 01:09:19 PM »

The pro abortion crowd would rather not look at pictures of aborted babies. They look to much like humans. They would rather continue in their false delusional belief that abortions contain just a mass of useless tissue.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #95 on:** January 29, 2011, 02:25:04 PM »

I'ma stir the pot again,

If I understand right , by making abortion illegal then you will be pressing your views on other religions, and not allowing them to exercise their religious beliefs then you are in essence depriving them of their right to religion which is protected by the constitution, correct?

ironglow · « **Reply #96 on:** January 29, 2011, 04:17:58 PM »

Quote from: bigbird09 on January 29, 2011, 02:25:04 PM

I'ma stir the pot again,

If I understand right , by making abortion illegal then you will be pressing your views on other religions, and not allowing them to exercise their religious beliefs then you are in essence depriving them of their right to religion which is protected by the constitution, correct?

Bigbird;
Which religion requires that their babies be aborted ? Their "family events' must be something to behold; say nothing about the father/son or mother/daughter banquets

And the primary Sunday School teacher must spend many loneome hours.. Church like that can't last long, ....forever killing off their
next generation !

bigbird09 · « **Reply #97 on:** January 29, 2011, 05:31:41 PM »

idk It was on a post back on the second page, just thought I would bring that back up, I don't follow any religion so I wouldn't know specifically, I just like this thread and keep throwing things in to listen to the awesome responses some of you guys have, especially powderman, kinda debating a "pick powdermans mind" thread.

powderman · « **Reply #98 on:** January 29, 2011, 06:03:11 PM »

BIGBIRD09. No Christian church approves abortion. I know there are some who claim to be Christian that approve the killing of babies, but they are Christian in name only and do NOT follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Banning abortion, except to save a mothers life would not deny any real Christians anything, the rest I don't care about. Some states have passed laws prohibiting the godless ones, muslims, from enforcing their sharia law. They should be denied, they are just a godless cult following a false prophet and religion.
I don't see you as stirring the pot. I believe that you have honest concerns and questions, hopefully you will get something positive from all of this. POWDERMAN.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #99 on:** January 29, 2011, 06:13:39 PM »

So basically what you are saying is that if your not Christian that your opinion doesn't count?(not quite, but more or less) This country was founded on the fact that people can come here and follow whatever religion they so decide and not be ridiculed or harassed. I don't follow any religion so I don't know the in's and out's of every religon, but to me not allowing them to follow their specific religion is a violation of there right to religion.

teamnelson · « **Reply #100 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:41:16 PM »

bigbird, the issue of abortion revolves around whether it is a child or a blastosphere. To your point of religious freedom, currently there are no religions able to practice human sacrifice, child or otherwise, within the United States. So Religious freedom could be said to be denied to those who would practice that ritual. That's a concession we made as a society because we the people collaboratively determined that that's not a part of who we want to be. And there are currently no religions that require abortion - regardless of their stand on child or "fetus." And for those religions that believe life begins at conception (the big 3 - Christianity, Judaism, Islam; plus their offshoots, cults, Masonry, etc.) abortion is taking a life, akin to murder.

So if abortion were to be outlawed (most likely with caveats) there are presently no registered religions in the USA whose faith would be denied. I know this because its my vocation to understand and ensure that the religious freedoms of service members are not infringed. This is not a religious freedom issue, its a morality issue. Its difficult to imagine anyone today who can deny the personality and identity of a child in the womb, particularly with the incredible technology we have today to observe her development at each stage. Science continues to affirm and support the presence of emotion for example during the first trimester, a character trait not even found among most animals. As medical technology continues to grow, the ancient mythology of the "fetus" will go the way of the flat earth and spontaneous generation.

In which other circumstance would one human being be given the right to take the life of another human being, for any reason, without the consent of the victim? If I needed a kidney to live, would it be okay for me to kill my child to get one because of the likelihood my body would not reject it? Of course not! If my child volunteered to donate a kidney, we'd say that's okay. I believe in the fundamental right of all human beings to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as long as it does not require another human being's life to be taken.

ironglow · « **Reply #101 on:** January 29, 2011, 09:51:29 PM »

TeamNelson;
Amen ! Well said..nothing to add..

DDZ · « **Reply #102 on:** January 30, 2011, 02:05:56 AM »

Bigbird, So say if a parent or parents decided they didn't want their child after the child was six months old or even a year. From what you are saying about a person's "right to religion", then they should be able to kill their child. What would the difference be? Other than the child being a little older in its life. Its still the taking of a human life whether its in the mothers womb or outside of it.
If it has to do with a person's "right to religion" then we all should be able to kill whoever we want or don't like. Correct? In your line of thinking what is the difference? Is it my right to religion, if I want to take out my neighbor?

powderman · « **Reply #103 on:** January 30, 2011, 03:26:41 AM »

TEAMNELSON. Great post Sir, that should answer his questions. POWDERMAN.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #104 on:** January 30, 2011, 08:26:18 AM »

ooo oo I have another one. I kinda got thinking about China last night and some of the stories I have heard from there. So say we outlaw abortion and then a couple has a baby and they don't want it, nor do they want deal with the adoption process, So they basically just dump the kid somewhere. I wish I could come up with a better way to explain this out but my mind isn't thinking straight atm, lol. Reason I came up with this since you can only have 1 or 2 kids in china unless you have a boy, is a lot of people with basically dump off child in the streets. There was a couple from around here that visited China for a few days and found a baby on a park bench, so they took it to the police, next day the baby was back. What say you.

Levi

eye shot · « **Reply #105 on:** January 30, 2011, 10:32:08 AM »

Keep on thinking, we don't live in China!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #106 on:** January 30, 2011, 10:39:28 AM »

Quote from: eye shot on January 30, 2011, 10:32:08 AM

Keep on thinking, we don't live in China!

I was kinda wondering what this has to do with the price of rice in China.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #107 on:** January 30, 2011, 10:42:11 AM »

Quote from: eye shot on January 30, 2011, 10:32:08 AM

Keep on thinking, we don't live in China!

Really? didn't notice. I'm just throwing theoreticals out there to see whats these guys have to say, I really like having a good discussion and these are some of the best guys that I have found to throw things around with. Also I think didn't think one thing through and that is in Chinas case even with adoption most people don't to adopt a girl because then that is there only child they can have and they want boys, but either way I guess its something to think about.

powderman · « **Reply #108 on:** January 30, 2011, 11:53:40 AM »

I've read that in China the girl babies are killed at birth if not wanted, kinda like some females and butchers here do, not positive though. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #109 on:** January 30, 2011, 12:41:57 PM »

Quote from: powderman on January 30, 2011, 11:53:40 AM

I've read that in China the girl babies are killed at birth if not wanted, kinda like some females and butchers here do, not positive though. POWDERMAN.

PM;
No surprise there... that's just liberal/socialism/marxism in action. In 1973 they accomplishe the destruction of millions of pre-born girls & boys. During the last cdecade or so, they moved it up to where sucking the baby's brains out WHILE they are being born has been okayed by the liberal lawmakers. Just a couple years ago, our grand exalted Poobah who is now in Washington, was in Chicago, campaigning for a measure allowing for healthy babies born of a botched abortion, to be left alone in a cold room until they expired. Now, with the new health care law and it's death panels, looks like they will be going after grannie and disabled veterans next !
....Nope, no surprise, just liberalism / socialism and Marxism in action !
http://rffm.typepad.com/republicans_for_fair_medi/2008/07/barack-obamas-position-on-abortion-monstrous.html

scootrd · « **Reply #110 on:** January 30, 2011, 03:05:09 PM »

I appreciate all those have input on this subject thus far, Though differences of opinions have varied , for the most part , the majority of the posts have been quite civil in response as all have weighed in regarding their thoughts and opinions.
It's refreshing to read most of the posts that have remained quite civil even of though posters have not agreed eye to eye on this contentious and very personal issue.

powderman · « **Reply #111 on:** January 30, 2011, 03:34:51 PM »

IRONGLOW. Seems there not much difference in how the chinese get rid of their unwanted and how the butchers and liberals do here.
junior. Did you look at IGs link showing the dead babies?

Still think they are just lumps or blobs of whatever??? Know what the difference is between a baby and what the libs call a fetus???Babies are allowed to live, fetusus are killed.Lots of pics in that link, I can't tell which ones are fetuses and which ones are babies, can you??
We had a big discussion about this in church this morning. We all looked in our Bibles and we were unable to find where God said that a woman could murder her baby if she didn't want it. I reckon the libs have different Bibles than we have. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #112 on:** January 31, 2011, 01:04:34 AM »

PM asks of Junior;
Did you look at IGs link showing the dead babies ?

PM, he won't answer that so I will..staring with a puritan scholar, Thomas Watson, who said;

" An atheist cannot find God..for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman".

Well I say; One who favors abortion can't see those babies' pictures..for the same reason.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #113 on:** January 31, 2011, 01:29:57 AM »

[/quote]Don't you know? I run a fifty-ho' cathouse outside Las Vegas. We give volume discounts to Baptist preachers.
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This pretty much sums up the problem , to lazy to prevent it with restraint or condoms but willing to murder to preserve ones own "ME" lifestyle.

Junior1942 · « **Reply #114 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:03:33 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on January 31, 2011, 01:04:34 AM

PM asks of Junior;
Did you look at IGs link showing the dead babies ?

PM, he won't answer that so I will..staring with a puritan scholar, Thomas Watson, who said;

" An atheist cannot find God..for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman".

Well I say; One who favors abortion can't see those babies' pictures..for the same reason.

One, I don't like gruesome photos; two, you can't prove those were actual abortion results, and if they were you can't prove why they were aborted; three, I'm not an atheist; four, I don't approve of abortion for birth control; five, but I believe abortion should be a woman's choice, not my choice and not the choice of a preacher or a religious fanatic. You may find this hard to believe, but I consider you and PM no less fanatical than the latest Islamostupido suicide bomber.

ironglow · « **Reply #115 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:11:57 AM »

Junior, Junior, Junior....

Yes; that's your story and you're sticking to it !!

Consider yourself busted !

nw_hunter · « **Reply #116 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:22:13 AM »

Quote from: Junior1942 on January 31, 2011, 03:03:33 AM

Quote from: ironglow on January 31, 2011, 01:04:34 AM
PM asks of Junior;
Did you look at IGs link showing the dead babies ?

PM, he won't answer that so I will..staring with a puritan scholar, Thomas Watson, who said;

" An atheist cannot find God..for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman".

Well I say; One who favors abortion can't see those babies' pictures..for the same reason.

One, I don't like gruesome photos; two, you can't prove those were actual abortion results, and if they were you can't prove why they were aborted; three, I'm not an atheist; four, I don't approve of abortion for birth control; five, but I believe abortion should be a woman's choice, not my choice and not the choice of a preacher or a religious fanatic. You may find this hard to believe, but I consider you and PM no less fanatical than the latest Islamostupido suicide bomber.

"MAN OH MAN" Here we have a guy who equates people with wanting to save the life of a precious baby, with a suicide bomber!........................................"We are doomed"

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #117 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:22:51 AM »

It is the mothers choice to engage in unprotected intercourse , after the pleasure is over and reality of motherhood seeps in is no time to be making choices that kill people.
Passing a law that makes it legal only opens the door to excuse the act.

powderman · « **Reply #118 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:23:05 AM »

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Passing a law that makes it legal only opens the door to excuse the act.

SHOOTALL. Thats exactly what happened.
junior. I sincerely don't see how a woman could have a miscarriage and have the baby born headless or with limbs torn off. Those babie were murdered. Deny it all ya want. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #119 on:** January 31, 2011, 10:18:36 AM »

Junior says;

One, I don't like gruesome photos;

I say;
Junior can't stand the sight of a little blood...guess he's not a hunter ! Wonder how he happened onto a hunting forum ?