Author Topic: Letters to editor on abortion. (Read 13592 times)

powderman · « **Reply #120 on:** January 31, 2011, 10:41:03 AM »

IRONGLOW. I believe that the realization that those are are dead babies has started to sink in on junior. As long as he said they were blobs it was ok, he could handle that. Now he knows they were babies, living breathing, human beings. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #121 on:** January 31, 2011, 01:39:14 PM »

One thing about libs is they hate to get their hands dirty. I have gotten a lot of looks when I talked about some things I did in the Gulf war. They never bothered me at all I kinda enjoyed doing them.

teamnelson · « **Reply #122 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:36:28 PM »

The reason those photos are gruesome is that they are of children. If they were simply fertilized eggs in the mind of the viewer, they would not be gruesome.

I've yet to counsel a woman that has said she was glad she had an abortion. In fact, they tend to regret the choice to conceive in the first place, and the choice to terminate their child, in reverse order. And I've counseled other women who chose life, and are doing just fine in more difficult circumstances than those of many who chose death. Abortion is about fear, and where fear is, death is soon to follow.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #123 on:** January 31, 2011, 03:55:22 PM »

I'd like to see those picture on billboards across the country and in prime time adds on TV.

teamnelson · « **Reply #124 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:03:54 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 31, 2011, 03:55:22 PM

I'd like to see those picture on billboards across the country and in prime time adds on TV.

billy, I appreciate what your saying, but you and I both know, it'll just upset all of us that are already upset, and the rest will drive on by. I would like to see better biology texts for our children though, that get rid of that stupid fictitious diagram of the zygote that alot of us were subjected to. We know better now, and some good pictures may put it in focus for the next generation.

bigMikeA · « **Reply #125 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:20:09 PM »

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bigbird09 · « **Reply #126 on:** January 31, 2011, 04:55:58 PM »

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it'll just upset all of us that are already upset, and the rest will drive on by

Outa sight, outa mind ehhh?

teamnelson · « **Reply #127 on:** January 31, 2011, 05:04:43 PM »

Quote from: bigbird09 on January 31, 2011, 04:55:58 PM

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it'll just upset all of us that are already upset, and the rest will drive on by

Outa sight, outa mind ehhh?

If I thought gruesome images would stop abortion, I'd build a sign in my front yard. People choose to register the images they want to see. How many US flags did you see flying on your way home today? If you say a couple, that's because your mind is tuned to look for them. Ask a teenage boy how many cute girls he saw on the ride home today, and you'll get the same thing. Now ask them how many homeless, how many dead cats in the road, how many foreclosed homes, etc. The images are there, but most folks never see.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #128 on:** January 31, 2011, 05:19:55 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on January 31, 2011, 05:04:43 PM

Quote from: bigbird09 on January 31, 2011, 04:55:58 PM
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it'll just upset all of us that are already upset, and the rest will drive on by

Outa sight, outa mind ehhh?
If I thought gruesome images would stop abortion, I'd build a sign in my front yard. People choose to register the images they want to see. How many US flags did you see flying on your way home today? If you say a couple, that's because your mind is tuned to look for them. Ask a teenage boy how many cute girls he saw on the ride home today, and you'll get the same thing. Now ask them how many homeless, how many dead cats in the road, how many foreclosed homes, etc. The images are there, but most folks never see.

We have a couple down the road that have pray to end abortion signs in their yard, but as to how much it helps who knows. If more people did it then maybe it will open some eyes. And Idk about you when your driving, but in town I'm usually trying to pay more attention to the idiots around me than flags or whats in peoples yards. In the country though its looking out across fields looking for wild critters out and about.

EDIT:wow crazy quote system fail, lol

powderman · « **Reply #129 on:** February 01, 2011, 03:12:36 AM »

I know a female who killed her baby about 2 years ago, well, she hired a butcher ro kill it, but neverless murdered her baby. Evidently she enjoyed it, yep, pregnant again. More big bucks for the butcher shop. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #130 on:** February 01, 2011, 05:18:39 AM »

Junior;
In your last post you said you are NOT an atheist. Being a believer then, you had best be getting you knowledge and doctrine from some other source. Any church/pastor who says a convenience abortion is a good alternative to maintaining a decent life...is talking with a crooked mouth and going against the teachings of Christ.
As far as I am concerned, when Jesus said ..."suffer the little children to come unto me".. (Mark 10:14) he DIDN"T quite mean that early or that way !

This "alternative" you are advocating..do you have any idea of the blood money being made by these ghouls ? Do you know just how much they make (besides the cost of the procedure) from the death and dismemberment of these little boys and girls ? Here's a clue, provided by the producers of 20/20 news program. Just a news article, no gruesome photos to upset you.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6899/is_3_27/ai_n28818164/

ironglow · « **Reply #131 on:** February 01, 2011, 05:34:59 AM »

Miss Black Michigan (2007)is burdened by this part of our culture (or un-culture) enough so she surreptitiously obtained a baby parts price list, giving prices for various body parts..
There are several lists, depending upon whic :clinic: it was smuggled out of but...eyes usually go for $75, skin $100, spinal cord $325, complete spine considerably more $$$. Complete, intact brain $999..but if "significantly fragmented", only $150...
She realizes that this bloody trade impacts black people in a significantly greater way..Just what Margaret Sanger wanted.

Here is the lady's website, again, no gruesome phoityos,your "sensitivities" won't be upset:

http://www.myspace.com/MissBlackMichiganVelon/blog/257505635

Now most of these price lists are obsolete, because concerned peo[le started to prosecute these outfits for breaking the law for "selling human body parts". Now the parts "harvesters" pay a "site" fee . That is, when a company pays a high fee to have one of their harvesters sits at a dissection table and have fresh corpses brough to them ..so thay can go ahead and slice, hack & saw away whatever they want.

ironglow · « **Reply #132 on:** February 01, 2011, 05:46:07 AM »

Here is an interesting , non-gruesome video made by someone in the trade, which you may wish to see.
You decide, is the guy being featured.. a "patriot" or is he a "pinhead: ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRpIf2F9NA&feature=PlayList&p=481FA81E8218962F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=23

DDZ · « **Reply #133 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:23:20 AM »

Good video IG. I guess abortion is perfectly ok for some people just as long as they don't have to hear about it, or see it. I guess if they see it, it brings to the fore front what abortion really is, and we all know that they can't stand to hear or see truth. So they will continue to spread their lies about it being a woman's choice, and just sweep the murder part of it under the carpet, right along with the blood and body parts.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #134 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:27:38 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on January 31, 2011, 03:36:28 PM

The reason those photos are gruesome is that they are of children. If they were simply fertilized eggs in the mind of the viewer, they would not be gruesome.

I've yet to counsel a woman that has said she was glad she had an abortion. In fact, they tend to regret the choice to conceive in the first place, and the choice to terminate their child, in reverse order. And I've counseled other women who chose life, and are doing just fine in more difficult circumstances than those of many who chose death. Abortion is about fear, and where fear is, death is soon to follow.

With this post you show that if it were not legal many would not do it , but raise their children. Good point about fear.

ironglow · « **Reply #135 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:17:53 AM »

,,,And how many women are threatened or cooersed into destroying their baby by some POS "boyfriend"..just to get themselves off the hook.
Such is probably just another form of abuse toward women..but we won't hear the leftie women complaining about this particular abuse in the near future..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #136 on:** February 01, 2011, 11:45:42 AM »

I would suggest also some women don't wish to face the family with an un expected child and bring shame to parents. Shame they can't go to parents for help. But some are raised so strick they fear what will happen. Insatead of sex classes in school maybe parenting classes would be better . In church it should be dicussed more also . It is a gift from God to have a child and should not be abused .

powderman · « **Reply #137 on:** February 01, 2011, 12:40:38 PM »

SHOOTALL. We talked about this for over an hour in church this past Sunday. A local pastor friend of mine used to go to Lou every week to hold prayer outside the local butcher shop. The butchers have spcl guards there with colored vests on to escort the females from their vehicles, which the butcher provides, to the butcher shop to make sure nobody has a chance to talk to them. Randy said that if they think you might be too close or attempt to speak to the female they very roughly shove you out of the way. After all, thousands of $ are at stake for each baby killed. He invited me to go with them, I declined. My temper is much better than it used to be but I'm afraid I don't turn the other cheek very well. If I'm pushed, I tend to push back. POWDERMAN.

teamnelson · « **Reply #138 on:** February 01, 2011, 01:49:36 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on February 01, 2011, 11:45:42 AM

I would suggest also some women don't wish to face the family with an un expected child and bring shame to parents. Shame they can't go to parents for help. But some are raised so strick they fear what will happen. Insatead of sex classes in school maybe parenting classes would be better . In church it should be dicussed more also . It is a gift from God to have a child and should not be abused .

At my church in Tombstone years ago, the unwed pregnant daughter of one of our families was finishing up her senior year, and asked if I would dedicate her baby. Her whole family was very nervous given the circumstances, and small towns being what they are, people talk. The dirtbag babydaddy had his momma do all the talking for him - they did not come to the dedication. That young lady got a scholarship to college, and had plans bigger than meth and xbox. She was good to be shed of him.

I gladly led the church to celebrate the birth of that child as a gift from God, and we as a body pledged to come around that young lady to assist her in the raising of the child in the nurture and the admonition of the Lord. And that young lady was made to feel like a mother, surrounded by Christian sisters - not a reject. I can only speak for that church, but my guess is if other churches adopted a similar attitude, we could reverse the trend over time. We might also inspire a few of the young men of the church to have a little discipline and act like men.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #139 on:** February 01, 2011, 02:00:14 PM »

Amen Brother!

ironglow · « **Reply #140 on:** February 01, 2011, 03:02:52 PM »

Amen, TeamNelson..way to go..You and your whole church acted in a positive manner !

BTW: Is the boy who did the damage a man yet ? Or did he choose to remain just a little boy ?

teamnelson · « **Reply #141 on:** February 01, 2011, 03:15:16 PM »

IG, last I heard he's still his momma's boy, and his daddy lets it happen.

We complain that the man has no rights in the abortion room, and that is unjust as the child is as much his as it is hers. May I suggest though that a better course of action over and above advocating for paternal rights, is being a man before conception occurs. That's something we can address without legal action.

powderman · « **Reply #142 on:** February 01, 2011, 04:51:27 PM »

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We complain that the man has no rights in the abortion room, and that is unjust as the child is as much his as it is hers. May I suggest though that a better course of action over and above advocating for paternal rights, is being a man before conception occurs. That's something we can address without legal action.

Amen to that. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #143 on:** February 02, 2011, 12:01:34 AM »

A hearty AMEN to that TN ! ".....quit you like men, be strong." (1Cor 16:13 KJV) "be men, be strong." (Young's literal)

About 26 years ago and being a deacon's wife, my wife was approached by a frantic lady named Judy. Judy was a lady attending church by herself, her husband not being interested in the things of God. It seems Judy's daughter had gone off to college and had been gotten with child by a lowlife, who promptly deserted her. The daughter was about to have an abortion, an Judy asked my wife to counsel her, which my wife did in 2-3 sessions..travelling to Judy's house, some 20 miles from ours.
The daughter (name escapes me) had the child about the very same day our first grandson was born..and without any prior discussion, both boys were named Joshua. A couple years later, the young lady married..this time, choosing a MAN..
Our Joshua has grown to a 26 yr old man we are delighted in, a Marine Plt Sgt committed to Christ, with a beautiful Christian wife. Years have passed, and we've both moved since that other Joshua was saved from the butcher knife and we have not seen nor heard from this family since.
However, we often wonder but what this other Joshua's mother doesn't rejoice often, that she didn't make a choice which would yet haunt her today.
...But I hasten to add, for the woman which has made such a fatal choice; there is forgiveness in the Lord.
There is even forgiveness for any one who was not a " quit you like men" person; but it will take confession, prayer and repentance..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #144 on:** February 02, 2011, 01:22:06 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on February 01, 2011, 03:15:16 PM

IG, last I heard he's still his momma's boy, and his daddy lets it happen.

We complain that the man has no rights in the abortion room, and that is unjust as the child is as much his as it is hers. May I suggest though that a better course of action over and above advocating for paternal rights, is being a man before conception occurs. That's something we can address without legal action.

Your advice deserves alot of respect ! I think they call it "man up "

BUGEYE · « **Reply #145 on:** February 02, 2011, 05:54:35 AM »

TN, I notice ALL dead cats in the road. those are GOOD cats.

bigbird09 · « **Reply #146 on:** February 02, 2011, 08:13:27 AM »

I heard a good comment yesterday that I thought I would share. "All republican want less government telling them what to do, but they don't have any problem trying to tell some young woman what to do, when it comes to abortion." Honestly I got to thinking about it and most of the stories that I have heard this rings fairly true.

beerbelly · « **Reply #147 on:** February 02, 2011, 09:07:23 AM »

I believe murder is against the law no matter your gender or age!

teamnelson · « **Reply #148 on:** February 02, 2011, 09:15:37 AM »

Bigbird, you're going to get a lot of replies to that one on the moral perspective, but in the spirit of your genuine interest I'd offer this. This statement

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"All republican want less government telling them what to do, but they don't have any problem trying to tell some young woman what to do, when it comes to abortion."

is predicated on the assumption that the choice does not involve any other persons. It does not acknowledge the rights of the unborn or of the father. The pro-choice movement has no problem telling an unborn child what to do, or the father what to do. Those for lesser government recognize that 3 citizens protected by law are impacted by the issue of abortion, and would champion for all 3 of their voices to be heard. In which other situation in government would you say that its okay to leave all the rights on one person, and not on the other parties affected, especially when death is involved?

bigbird09 · « **Reply #149 on:** February 02, 2011, 09:28:07 AM »

so mommy and daddy agree to the abortion, the 3rd party that being of the fetus is going to be unheard. Also this came from a person that does not agree with late term abortion, but rather abortion before the fetus is capable of living on its own outside of the womb. Also what if the father has nothing to do with the child, such as in cases where a guy knocks a girl up and then leaves, or in rape cases, then It would just be the mothers opinion.