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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #150 on: February 02, 2011, 09:38:09 AM »
Good government does not make laws for the what ifs. They make laws on principles, like the rights of citizens to participate in decisions that effect their life.

If you're still of a mind that we're discussing a "fetus" and not a child, then its going to be difficult for you to see what I'm talking about. At what point for you does the fetus become a citizen protected by the laws upheld by their government? If its at delivery, then that's we're disconnected. If on the other hand we're talking about a child, then their rights began at conception.

With so many premature deliveries in the 2nd trimester that remain healthy and grow up to be normal adults, it begs the accuracy of choosing the 3rd trimester as your decision point. And again, there's a lot more science today to allow us to appreciate the humanity present in that child within weeks of conception.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #151 on: February 02, 2011, 09:42:16 AM »
Bust up an egales nest breaking eggs and see what happens , yet we lack the same respect for humans. When you have no respect for your own, you have nothing
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #152 on: February 02, 2011, 09:42:43 AM »
Actually I'm impartial to the idea, either way it goes it doesn't matter to me.  If I had to say when I believe a fetus is a child, its at they point when it can successfully live outside of the womb with no to little lifesupport.  As for the making laws on principles that kinda made me laugh.  Seems to me anymore they make laws on who is willing to pay the most money, or whatever fits the congressmen/womens agenda better, but that is a for a different discussion.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #153 on: February 02, 2011, 10:00:17 AM »
I believe murder is against the law no matter your gender or age!



BEERBELLY. YEP, it sure is.
BIGBIRD. I see you are now using the pro death term fetus, instead of baby. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #154 on: February 02, 2011, 10:10:47 AM »
Typical for me I see this different. The word child notes a stage in the life of a human. With regard to this debate it is not important really.Is it not a infant first ? With the child line of thought can we kill infants ? We should determine when the human is a life , alive if you will. I offer if it was not alive and growing it would not be a as some think a problem. It would be dead , which is the reason for abortion is it not ? To make it not a problem or dead ! So IMHO you kill in an abortion so life existed before you aborted .
I know this is harsh for those looking to feel warm and fuzzy after thinking abortion is not killing and OK so be it.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #155 on: February 02, 2011, 10:27:55 AM »
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BIGBIRD. I see you are now using the pro death term fetus, instead of baby. POWDERMAN.

Well technically while it is the womb it is a fetus,  once outside the womb it is an infant,  if you prefer the term baby then I guess I will follow your opinions.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #156 on: February 02, 2011, 10:48:43 AM »
SHOOTALL. A darn good explaination, good post. The goal of abortion is indeed to kill, take a life. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #157 on: February 02, 2011, 12:02:25 PM »
bigbird, you used the viability argument earlier to delineate between a fetus and an infant. I wonder if you would be okay applying that logic to anyone who later on might have difficulty living on their own without some means of support, and also if you have limits on how much support before they would be inviable?
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #158 on: February 02, 2011, 01:05:50 PM »
I heard a good comment yesterday that I thought I would share.  "All republican want less government telling them what to do, but they don't have any problem trying to tell some young woman what to do, when it comes to abortion."   Honestly I got to thinking about it and most of the stories that I have heard this rings fairly true.

So, Bigbird from this statement I assume that you don’t consider a baby inside its mother a human life. You imply that no one should tell a woman what to do when it comes to abortion. At what point do you think we should be able to tell a mother, “wait you can’t kill your child, it’s a human being?
The Declaration of Independence says All men are created equal, and that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Most notable of these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Every person in this country is protected by these words except the preborn child and a convicted felon. For what crime do you think a preborn forfeits his or her Constitutional rights? Mainly their right to life.

Shortly after the fertilization of the egg the new life inside its mother has developed a protective hormone to prevent the mother’s body from rejecting it as foreign, since it is not a part of the mother. Within seventeen days of conception, the preborn has its own blood cells, and from then on, nothing new is added to the child except food, liquid, and time to grow. Around the twentieth day the entire nervous system has been laid down, and Mom doesn’t even know she is pregnant yet. At forty three days doctors can even measure the brain waves of a child. Meaning it’s a thinking child. By the ninth and tenth weeks a baby squints, swallows, and sucks it thumb.
Have you ever heard a mother refer to her preborn as a fetus, product of conception, or anything other than a baby? I know I haven’t.
I’m sure you like many are concerned about all the violence in this country, but many of these same people are comfortable with the millions of babies that are killed because of the deliberate decision of their mothers. If we accept the fact that a mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill each other? The blind, selfish, callous view of abortion in this country, will one day spill over into our nursing homes. Are you ready to accept that, as just getting rid of people that we don’t want anymore?
Isn't it convenient to accept the idea that an unborn child is not a human? It certainly makes it so much easier to say "its a woman's choice" and have it not sound insane. Doesn't it? 
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #159 on: February 02, 2011, 01:59:58 PM »
Great post! DDZ (Thanks) I'm curious to see his response to it.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #160 on: February 02, 2011, 02:06:19 PM »
Great post! DDZ (Thanks) I'm curious to see his response to it.

My response is that I have been outman, and outguned! cheers!
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #161 on: February 02, 2011, 02:38:11 PM »
DDZ. Another good post.
TEAMNELSON. In England medical care is denied after an adult passes 55 if the drs believe they may die within 2 years. I've read that the obamination modeled his hc bill after some of that garbage. Seems it has to do with no longer being useful. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #162 on: February 02, 2011, 03:09:06 PM »
so mommy and daddy  agree to the abortion,  the 3rd party that being of the fetus is going to be unheard.  Also this came from a person that does not agree with late term abortion, but rather abortion before the fetus is capable of living on its own outside of the womb.  Also what if the father has nothing to do with the child,  such as in cases where a guy knocks a girl up and then leaves, or in rape cases, then It would just be the mothers opinion.

  Bigbird;
   And if the child is 2 months this side of the birth canal and proves "just too much of a burden"..the mother can practice "delayed abortion" ?  What style abortion would you suggest as the best in this case..immerse and scald them in salt water..cut their spinal cord at skull base and suck their brains out..or just dismember the child?
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #163 on: February 02, 2011, 03:15:14 PM »
poke it with a stick, that seems to work.  seriously man I already put up my guns,  Unfortunately I guess I'm the type of person that if it doesn't affect me I try not to put my nose in it, at least not to much,  most of you do, and that is your choice, says so in the Constitution. 
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« Reply #164 on: February 02, 2011, 03:31:51 PM »
  The constitution also says that each person has a right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of happiness.  That's not too complex of a concept...
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #165 on: February 02, 2011, 05:13:58 PM »
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Unfortunately I guess I'm the type of person that if it doesn't affect me I try not to put my nose in it, at least not to much,  most of you do, and that is your choice, says so in the Constitution. 




BIGBIRD. If you see us as sticking our nose in it I doubt any of us mind or would be offended in any way. Our point, at least mine is, that when a baby's would be mother turns against it and wants it dead, theres nobody to defend the helpless innocent child. If we don't try to defend it's life who will??? Certainly not the pregnant female, she's the one who hires the killer, definitely not the butcher, it means THOUSANDS of $s in killing fees and sale of tissue and body parts. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #166 on: February 03, 2011, 01:28:55 AM »
 

From Proverbs chapter 31  " the virtuous woman chapter";
 
 vs 8;
         "Open your mouth for the speechless, in the cause of all who are appointed to destruction".
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #167 on: February 03, 2011, 03:46:14 AM »
To kill the unborn or elderly is based in Eugenics.

We need to understand where the arguments come from before we subscribe to a position.

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« Reply #168 on: February 03, 2011, 03:54:16 AM »
Ruskin  only if you are trying to create a superior race of people. I doubt that is on the mind of the selfish who see pregency as a problem . Or a govt. looking to cut health care of old folks.
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« Reply #169 on: February 03, 2011, 06:08:29 AM »
  It heavily promoted by eugenics, but it is the natural offspring of Darwinism.  When one is convinced that any human does not have a soul or spirit, but is only a piece of descended monkey meat, they do not value human life.  That is, they do not value human lives....OTHER THAN THEIR OWN !!
  When humans are no more than expendable morsels of animal flesh, brutes like Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Mao and Pol Pot can willingly slaughter by the millions if they deem it necessary.  These are the people who worship GOV instead of GOD.
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« Reply #170 on: February 03, 2011, 06:24:08 AM »
  It heavily promoted by eugenics, but it is the natural offspring of Darwinism.  When one is convinced that any human does not have a soul or spirit, but is only a piece of descended monkey meat, they do not value human life.  That is, they do not value human lives....OTHER THAN THEIR OWN !!
  When humans are no more than expendable morsels of animal flesh, brutes like Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Mao and Pol Pot can willingly slaughter by the millions if they deem it necessary.  These are the people who worship GOV instead of GOD.


YEP. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #171 on: February 03, 2011, 06:37:38 AM »
 Planned Parenthood, the prime purveyor of infant liquidation in this country, obviously aids , abets and helps to cover up child abuse.  Here are transcripts of actual phone calls made to popular abortuaries.  Just select any of those listed..hear it out and expect to be sickened.
    Remember; the liberals have arranged it so PP gets $350 million of our taxes every year !

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #172 on: February 03, 2011, 07:49:34 AM »
So, ironglow, you want to end birth control, huh?  Is the rhythm method OK?

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #173 on: February 03, 2011, 08:08:54 AM »
you get rid of planned parent hood there would probably be millions of girls without birth control.
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #174 on: February 03, 2011, 08:21:38 AM »
Check out this short video clip.  John Piper put this out a little bit after the Roe V. Wade anniversary. It is his response to President Obama's view on abortion. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O68MByaMVdM
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #175 on: February 03, 2011, 09:37:08 AM »
you get rid of planned parent hood there would probably be millions of girls without birth control.
That's the idea. Millions of new Catholics and Baptists.  Millions of new welfare mothers, too.

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #176 on: February 03, 2011, 09:38:02 AM »
you get rid of planned parent hood there would probably be millions of girls without birth control.

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #177 on: February 03, 2011, 11:18:35 AM »
Why is it ok to use my tax money for birth control or abortions? If those girls don't want to get knocked up it is their responsibility to get birth control!

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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #178 on: February 03, 2011, 11:26:00 AM »
Why is it ok to use my tax money for birth control or abortions? If those girls don't want to get knocked up it is their responsibility to get birth control!



BEERBELLY. My goodness, are you trying to say they should be responsible for their own actions???? Never fly with the pantywetters. Yep, their responsibility, and darn sure not mine to pay to kill what they don't want. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Letters to editor on abortion.
« Reply #179 on: February 03, 2011, 11:49:48 AM »
Personal responsibility? If we are dealing with people that are personally responsible we are dealing the decent conservative peoples of the world. The liberal parasites have no personal responsibility that is why they are a parasite on society. 
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