200yd accuacy from a 45 colt carbine

[dangerranger]

while the 4570 is back at the factory getting repaired, I took the carbine to a shoot. I didnt have time to build up a load just for it . So I used some cowboy loads I had. I also put the 4570s sights on the carbine so I could try them out also. at 200yds I had to overcome about 30" of drop, but I had plenty of elevation.scoped the best I could do was 8", and with open sights 12". Im thinking with a proper load I could cut that by quite a bit. and with good sights and heavy bullits I could use this rifle out to 200 easily in a hunt. DR

[dpe.ahoy]

If it's shooting that good with cowboy loads, should do very well with handloads built for it.  Have you slugged your barrel yet?  DP

[Spanky]

with good sights and heavy bullits I could use this rifle out to 200 easily in a hunt. DR

The 45LC IS NOT a 200 yd. cartridge. Taking "hail mary" shots at game animals ain't cool.
Use the 45-70 instead.



Spanky

[Rustyinfla]

  Think of it as a .45-70 lite.

[gcrank1]

We shoot .22s, .32s on up at 200yd on steel (real sil. and 'junk') with great fun and much success. Im sure game has been brought to bag with a .45LC at that range but I am not that hungery to try it (and I HATE having to track wounded critters). Many are surprised at the longish range shooting that caliber , and these rifles, are good for.
Keep at it and have fun!
BTW, do your own version of the Quigly 'bucket shoot'; just like shootin' cans only farther.

[dangerranger]

I have slugged the barrel, and it wants 454 bullits. I borrowed a sizer  and tried them with good sucess. but I need to get one of my own. I use a Lee 230 gr TL mold as cast for cowboy loads. I was suprised at how well these worked. Ive got a 300gr mold and do intend to shoot it as a 4570 lite at 1400 to 1500fps. this bullit is gas checked so I could push it a little faster if needed for accuracy. it should make a great pig gun for where the tight brush. I also got to try the williams WGRS rear sight on it. I would have to find a taller front sight to use it at 50 and 100yds. but thats doable.DR

[gcrank1]

Is that front sight a Patridge style with a flat top? If so you can epoxy a small length of brass 'brazing rod', or such, on top; it might give you just enough.
As for the bullet dia., do they cast at about that .454?; if they do just 'pan-lube' them or use Lee Liquid ALOX to tumble lube and shoot unsized. If you need to press the GC on its easy enough to jig up a process in your press to do only that, probably with what you have 'laying around'.

[dpe.ahoy]

Sounds like ya got it planned out good.  Some of my loads are getting up there with Factory 300gr. loads for the old Gov'erment cartridge.  I think I might pull the sights off one of my 38-55 barrels and put on one of my 45 Colt barrels.  Want to scope one of the 38's just to see what I can get for accuracy come spring time.  It hit 50* today, got to muddy to get to the place to shoot.  Supposed to be in the upper 30's to mid 40's this week, may get alot of the ice gone and start to dry up before more snow hits.  DP

[gcrank1]

I put a scope on my 38-55 'just to see' also.......Its still on there; sure is nice to really see. The rifle put 'em right where Im lookin', so well I used it for some 'varminting' out to 125-140ish yds. last year and some informal schuetzen shooting.
Dont worry about the front sight to try it. It will show fuzzy in the bottom of the scope but wont matter a bit.

[dpe.ahoy]

That's the way it looks now, shouldn't make any difference.   gcrank, ya got lots of good ideas, gonna hafta ask momma if I can come down and "play" sometime.  I might learn some thin that way.   DP

[gcrank1]

And shoot and grill on the BarBee, too.....
Aint this site great, I get to talk smart and make friends all over  .

[dangerranger]

guncrank, another 1/8" would make it about right but Im not shure about gluing it on the stock sight. its already pretty tall and Id hate to have it come off during a hunt. I think Lyman makes a #17a thats about the right hight. thanks DR

[gcrank1]

DR, I know what you mean about wondering about the glue on, but it is a  cheap way to find out if that height is really what you want, and its reversible with a little heat back to stock.
Ive used the 17A, and other globe sights on target rifles, but whenever I tried one on a hunting gun it just wasnt right; too much of a glob 'o sight sitting out there, and in the woods and shaddows you will be disappointed, Im afraid. The best 'dual' use for me has been the old Lyman 5 series or the remake of the Beach sight; an open blade or bead with a flip up thin 'globe'.
I still like the small gold bead sights on field guns, and the ivory beads 2nd best, but the gold shows up in all light better for me; sometimes I lose the ivory if its a lightish background.
Either way, Id replace the whole front on a gun like yours with the right height ramp to take 3/8" std sights to get the total height you need (thus the glue on experiment). With a peep on the breech you need a tall set up and the ramp affair will get away from te 'gut-hook' look.

[blind ear]

I have used a triangle file to cut a small V on several nondistinct front sites for a finer aim point. It requires good light and won't work well at dusk dark but then the target usually has to be close to judge it anyway. On some of them I filled the V with pearlesent or glow in the dark paint. Back before they made good sites. ear

[Hit or Miss]

I went with a Skinner Lo-pro rear sight on my BC.  It's a nifty little aperture with a screw in insert that can be removed for different sized apertures or left out for a ghost ring effect.  The sight is the proper sized stud to screw into one of the scope base holes and had a locking nut on it.  It regulated with the factory front sight for a dead on hold at 50 yards with a load of 8 grains of Unique and a 270 gr. Keith style bullet.  I really am in love with the NDS sight but I figured it would take a taller front sight and I feel the factory is as tall as I want to go on a hunting rifle.