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Offline schuetzen

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Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« on: January 24, 2011, 04:54:30 AM »
Before you answer that question, please watch this video...

The American Form of Government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 08:39:48 AM »
Absolutely not. It is not the mission of our government or the military to globe trot trying to impose our way of life onto others. Furthermore they are bound Constitutionally too "butt out". Constitutionally the only government business we have in other nations is that of trade, and in matters of defense to retaliate or defend from acts of war.

Shouldn't the concept of rights and law,a magna carta, be introduced first; Before any attempts to change a form of government? Why do we always hear of bringing democracy? Shouldn't it be heard as  bringing a repulic form of government?

Would another nation after seeing the revocation of our Constitutional rights under the guise of things like the Patriot Act, taxation for social services and foreign aid (taking from you to give to them), be so eager to adopt our ways? Seems to me alot of countries already have a democracy (mob rule).

By the way, that link, very good  description of basic forms of governments. Right away I thought it should be scheduled viewing in schools from about 6th grade social studies on up through high school history and government classes. Thanks for posting!
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 09:03:30 AM »
Ah, we were a great country, with opportunity for all, when we were a legislative republic and the office of the president was secondary. Now, let Caesar feed us bread and circuses.
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 09:36:30 AM »
When I was a child, I too was indoctrinated to believe we are a Democracy.  These days, I shudder when I hear someone (especially politicians) refer to America as a Democracy.  We have been so indoctrinated by schools, media and the like.
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 10:33:13 AM »
So right! I shudder to think of all the times I have heard the phrase, "But we're a democracy"! or its similar equivelent. I have spoke to my childrens teachers at times (when they were in school). Pretty fair amount seem not to want to have that discussion with an adult.  ???  ;)
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 06:28:24 PM »
I don't think it is our place in the word to be trying to enact our "views" on other societies, especially when we can even get stuff right at home.
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2011, 02:38:44 AM »
I say no. Not our job. As long as they don't harm us- let them be. I feel the same about pushing a certain religion. NOT MY JOB MAN.
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2011, 02:50:56 AM »
No.  Democracy can hurt them.  Would be nice to let them see how a republic works, but since we are losing ours, there is nothing for them to see at this time.

We have nothing to promote at this time.
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2011, 05:53:34 PM »
We need to clean up our own act before pushing it on others. Leading by example would be a novel change!
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2011, 07:12:05 PM »
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

We are fast becoming a Dictatorship! I could really see the arrogance in Bush, and even more so now with Obama. Both houses have become weak, and the Executive branch grows stronger with policy making on a daily basis. The Constitution has become a worthless document to most elected officials. They quote it, and then totally ignore it.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.” We have lasted longer than most!
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2011, 07:53:59 AM »
We shouldn't even promote democracy here.
Democracy is the kissing cousin of socialism.
What should be promoted is Liberty and Free Market Capitalism.

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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2011, 04:37:01 AM »
In reality 50% plus 1 is not a mandate. A pure democracy would mean we all vote on every issue.  We have a ''democracy'' at the citizen voting level. Our form of government is a Republic. I wish the President, Senatorial and House leaders would learn to use the word. You can tell when those who begin ''In our democracy.......'' they have a socialist agenda.
  This nation has never been closer to losing our freedoms. Many of us remember John Kennedy say we would ''oppose any foe, support any friend and pay any price'' to encourage democracy.   Years later we abandoned South Vietnam.  Are we better off for all we have spent in foreign aid around the world ? And, are those people better off ?
   Is Haiti better off a year after a year of aid following the earthquake ? 
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Re: Should we promote Democracy in the World?
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2011, 07:49:34 PM »
Promote, yes.
(to encourage the growth and development of something)

Install, no!
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