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Offline oso lento

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« on: December 18, 2003, 02:48:11 AM »
this year i lost a couple traps and coon due to coon pulling out 22 inch rebar stakes in the soft mud. What do you all use to stake coon traps in the soft mud?
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2003, 02:56:34 AM »
Oso those washer anchors of Pogo's work really great.  In soft mud they can be used with  a driver on a long pipe to set them in deep water for drowners.

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2003, 03:18:11 AM »
too dry! most of the creeks are dry this year and the one that do only have 8 inches or less of water. so drowing is out. the other thing that i did was to shorten the chain to less than 8 inches to keep the chew outs down i was thinking if i would keep the foot under water it wouldn't chew on it's foot and that might have added to my trouble.

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2003, 03:22:02 AM »
Wet dry dosen't matter the washer anchors will hold like you won't believe.  Now I'm know coon trapper butcan't you avoid chewing by setting in shallow water?  The chew out problem is way out of my line...you'll have to wait for one of the water guys.

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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2003, 08:44:11 AM »
I staked a lot of my coon traps in soft mottom creeks this year.  I ended up cross staking with 24in rebar.  If walkin in that would be a lot of weight but I had truck access to most areas.'
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2003, 09:23:16 AM »
Tim is right- double staking will hold coon even in pure sand.  Make sure you really put the angle on them.

I also cross stake at the top of beaver slide wires in mud that is so soft it is almost liquid.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2003, 09:47:21 AM »
my competition sets a lot of bridges and too bust his chop a little i carry traps in a set them so the coon hit my traps before they get to his and he can't see them. I heard rumors his catch is down this year. lol
i was leaning the way of log drags. I was really thinking about pogo washers for coyote maybe i'm getting lazy but i'm sick of double staking and all the rebar.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2003, 03:46:19 AM »
I refitted all of my #11 coon traps and my dryland coyote/fox traps with earth anchors (bullet style) a few years back, and I haven't gone back to rebar since. I use those earth anchors for coons in shallow water a lot, and don't a problem at all with double-jawed #11s on short chains and a long cable buried into the muck with an earth anchor. Haven't lost a coon yet, and I've even held a couple of toe-caught beaver in those little traps on earth anchors. That's a great little trap and anchoring system for holding power. Sometimes I have a heck of a time retrieving my traps after the season because I can't pull them out myself.
I like them for reduced weight to carry, too. I hike back in to a lot of my places, and the rebar needed for cross-staking coyote traps was just too much extra steel to lug back to those locations. Cable and earth anchors added very little to the weight of a trap. I was already carrying a hammer for the stakes, so only extra piece of equipment to carry was the driver, which is about same weight as a single 1/2" x 24" rebar stake. I still use rebar in some situations, but for bulk of my trapping I would go back to it for nothing. I even use them on snares in open fields for coyotes, and have great luck with them for holding power.

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2003, 03:54:17 AM »
just wanted to add...if you need to use rebar in those soft-bottom creeks, either cross stake (as was suggested earlier) or use one tremendously long stake, something like 4 foot or so.
I know that sounds silly, but think about how a short legged coon could pull out something 4 foot long, especially on a short-chained trap? The only way they can do it is if they can get up on a vertical bank to exert leverage upward, or if you are using universal or single stake chain attachments their can be a "ratcheting" effect of the coon pulling upward, then when it relaxes the attachment slips down on the stake a little, then the coon pulls upward again, relaxes, and the attachment works its way down a little farther. If the coon kept that up long enough he could ratchet the long stake out of the ground.
I tried grapples and drags on year on coons in a "dry" year, but that was not much fun tracking down catches either. unless the banks are very brushy to tangle up in, they can sometimes go pretty far with a drag or grapple. I had to shoot one out of a cottonwood, and he was about 20 feet up it sitting in the crotch of a large limb. he had the chain/grapple wrapped up pretty good around the little limbs, too. spent better part of a day trying to get it down because it was out there for the whole world to see, too.