Painfully obvious, isn't it...

[Casull]

FYI..plenty of explosions and incendiaries were heard and seen with #7

Not on the video I watched.  Again, I'll believe my own eyes.

Some of us don't. We tend to think for ourselves.

And some of you tend to follow whatever crackpot conspiracy you read on the net.

I don't know the whole truth behind what happened on that terrible day, and NEITHER DO YOU!

Never said I did.  But, that doesn't mean I'll ignore what I saw with my own eyes.

[Casull]

TM, you might try actually reading my posts if you want to know my "own words":

I watched the video of it on fire and leading up to the collapse.  NO sound of exposions preceeding the collapse.

[mcwoodduck]

IronGlow,
I think you need a little history lesson.
The islamists challanged Clinton everywhere and the minor powers thought him a joke, checking poles before making a desicion.
In Kosovo, in Salmalia, at home, in Africa.
All Clinton did was wave his finger, look menicing and say we will bring you to justice.  So he launched a few cruise missles at an asprin factory killing a janitor.  That was not the blow to state terrorism and was a weak attempt at the raid the Isreali's made on the Osarik reactor in Iraq in the late 70's.
Under Clinton's watch.  We had the black hawk down nad we tucked tail and pulled out.
The bombing of the world trade center with a truck bomb.
the Bombing of the USS Cole.
the attack on our embasy's in Africa.
We will not get in ot the whole cat and mouse game he played with Sadam over the weapons inspections and the No Fly zones.
The bombing of bars our service people went to in Greece and Italy.
the planning of 911 was all done on Clinton's watch.
When we were able to locate Bin laden and needed presidential authority to kill the bastard he post poned the desicion because he was watching a football game, after the game in Laden had moved.  Clinton was weak.

[powderman]

MCCWOODDUCK. YEP, clinton was weak, a wimp. The godless ones judged America by him. Several prisoners said that they did not expect us to fight, just lay back and take it. They were wrong. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

IronGlow,
I think you need a little history lesson.
The islamists challanged Clinton everywhere and the minor powers thought him a joke, checking poles before making a desicion.
In Kosovo, in Salmalia, at home, in Africa.
All Clinton did was wave his finger, look menicing and say we will bring you to justice.  So he launched a few cruise missles at an asprin factory killing a janitor.  That was not the blow to state terrorism and was a weak attempt at the raid the Isreali's made on the Osarik reactor in Iraq in the late 70's.
Under Clinton's watch.  We had the black hawk down nad we tucked tail and pulled out.
The bombing of the world trade center with a truck bomb.
the Bombing of the USS Cole.
the attack on our embasy's in Africa.
We will not get in ot the whole cat and mouse game he played with Sadam over the weapons inspections and the No Fly zones.
The bombing of bars our service people went to in Greece and Italy.
the planning of 911 was all done on Clinton's watch.
When we were able to locate Bin laden and needed presidential authority to kill the bastard he post poned the desicion because he was watching a football game, after the game in Laden had moved.  Clinton was weak.

  McWooduck;
      We're on the same page, I do think Clinton was a wimp, just not quite as bad a wimp as Carter & Obama.  Although some of the things you reminded me of wil cause me to take another look at him.  ...And as I recall, he expended much energy avoiding the military when he was eligible, in the 1960s.  Then when he was no longer eligible and safely in England..protesting against the US, he wrote a letter to the Col who helped him, boasting about how much he loathed the military !
      Actually I don't know if Obama is really hesitant to use raw power.
   He did talk about building a civilian army (brownshirts?)  ..and more recently he talks of having a domestic force on hand "in case of food riots".
  As far as personal courage... Even though he's "Mr  Jumpshot", I haven't heard of him going any on patrols with the Rangers in Afghanistan...    But then, he didn't do the military thing when he was age appropriate to do so either !

  OK McWooduck, you have me convinced..my memory was defective...Old Slick should join the other two !  he wimped out when it was his turn & dutyu to serve and caused someone to serve and perhaps die in the place he was supposed to be.  Hanoi Jane loathed our military and caused some of our POWs in Vietnam ti be tortured.  Clinton also loathed our military and  forced others to take his place..while he picketed against the US.  Then a surprising number of halfwits elected him president...sound familiar ?
  Below, see his loathe our military letter (see esp last paragraph)

  http://www.marine-family.org/wannabes/draft_no.htm

[mcwoodduck]

No arguement here about Carter or Obama.  I was 8 years old when Carter entered office and was 12 wehn Ronald Reagan was sworn in.  I remember the joke between the ellection and his swearing in.  "what is black and smoking and glows in the dark? - Iran 2 hours after Reagan is sworn in if they do not release the hostages".
Not sure is Obama gets it or really does and his loathing of this country is what has him doing everything against common sense.
Carter was a navy officer, i just think he had some pie in the sky ideas that everyone was our friend and if they want to have a revolution then let them not understanding what was going on and how they blamed us.
Carter missed that the islamofacists use the same tactics that his democratic party use.
The democrats find an scapegoat or evil entity and make all aother hate it.  Pick your target, The rich, the big usiness - Oil, Tabaco, Auto, or wall street.  They demonize them and whip the masses into a frenzy over something or another and get the people to hate that group.  it is strange they pick those industries as 80% of thier voters, the people they claim to represent, work in those industries or related ones to it. 
Well anyway the islamo facists hate Isreal and blame them for 60% of their woes and the other 40% they blame on us directly and then blame part of the Isreali problem on us for supporting them with goods and arms.  not their system that does not make their part of the world stable, the dictators and the coruption that keep the jobs and factories away.
The democrats tell the union memebers it is the Big business, wall street, the bankers and the rich that are keeping you from getting a better job or working, not it is the failed policies of the left that have driven your job to China, South Korea, or that the punitive taxing system has made robots cheaper than people and forgien robots and people cheaper still with enviromental regulations that too, are punitive and unneeded.

[ironglow]

  You are right on there Mcwooduck;
  It is a constant practice of the left to pick someone to demonize and redirect the people's age against that entity. The     
   1) Russian Marxists did it..they demonized "reactionaries', Jews, Christians and anyone who liked freedom.

  2) Hitler was accomplished in that regard... He pounced upon Jews, Intellectuals, Christians etc.

  3) Castro did it with businessmen, farmers and Christians.

  4) Of course the progressives (Fabian Socialists) are going to take lessons from their political mentors.  To demonize a people, group, individuals etc...and then direct the kool-aid sippers rage against them or it is a good way to channel the rage built up by the progressives.  That's right ouit of Saul Alinsky's textbook for liberals entitled "Rulebook for Radicals".
   Todays budding tyrants(liberals) have many targets to demonize..bankers, business owners, SUV drivers, Christians, hunters, gun owners, Walmart, farmers, oil producers and white men...just to name a few...

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. Good post, agreed Sir, BUT, I don't blame anybody for demonizing walmart, I know what they are. POWDERMAN. 

[mcwoodduck]

It is a constant practice of the left to pick someone to demonize and redirect the people's age against that entity.

You mean like we see in Post #46.!!  Thank heavens that Palin, Bachmann, Gringrich, etc. never do this...

..TM7
.

There is a difference to the planned rage for a political end and the reaction to how stupid the democratic sheep are.
The conservitives you named are not picking targets to be scape goats for the failure of the progressive movement but the philosophy that is flawed and fails everytime it is used. 
These same leaders of the failed philosophy continue to demonize others. 
But if you are one of the sheep, the cool aid drinkers, or one of the demon seed that lead the afore mentioned then no matter what we say or show you, you are not going to believe it.  But here is the truth- Government is not the answer- government is most often the problem.  The rules and regulations they impose on business is what causes the problems- if you had no rules people will find the good companies.  Every company wants to produce the best product at the lowest price.  No real company wants to scam people.   There will be scammers- and some of the rules and regulations make scamming easier- Can you say Maddoff?-  Can you say sub prime morgage?  These would never have happened in a free market.  Yes I know about Ponzi and I know it happened in a time with little regulation - but there was still some regulation that made the investors in his scheeme think they were safe.  And why was illegal for Ponzi to do what he did but the whole Social Security system and Obama care are just state sactioned PONZI scheems.

[saddlebum]

It is a constant practice of the left to pick someone to demonize and redirect the people's age against that entity.

You mean like we see in Post #46.!!  Thank heavens that Palin, Bachmann, Beck, Gringrich, etc. never do this...

..TM7
.

The hypocrisy in that post is staggering!! 

[gypsyman]

After 60 years of propping up different govts., just maybe this time, our fearless leaders in D.C. should call it quits. And just get the hell out. I can't think of one time it hasn't come back and bite us in the a**!!
We're dealing with people that are barely 2 steps removed from the stone age. Most still believe in stoning women, cutting arms off of kids stealing a loaf of bread, and the heads off of reporters. It's all coming to a head shortly, and our country will be caught right in the middle. It'll be nuke time, but nobody will have the guts to do it. Maybe Isreal. gypsyman

[saddlebum]

Don't pretend you don't know what and who I'm talking about. Everyone else does!   

[saddlebum]

Sorry you don't get it. Ironglow has nothing to do with it.   

I was just reminded of all your past posts about Palin, Beck, etc,etc,.................................

[ironglow]

It is a constant practice of the left to pick someone to demonize and redirect the people's age against that entity.

You mean like we see in Post #46.!!  Thank heavens that Palin, Bachmann, Beck, Gringrich, etc. never do this...

..TM7
.

The hypocrisy in that post is staggering!! 

   So where is the hypocrisy ?   When the Bolsheviks, Hitler and castro "demonized" their chosen groups they MADE UP FALSE CHARGES against those people. Charges which in most cases totally false..things, groups and people who these victimized groups had nothing to do with.
      When I speak of the current left leader, let's look at his friends and associates..   William Ayers..  one of the terrorist "weathermen" of the 1960s.. Bernadine Dohrn  his wife..bombed the Pentagon, killed a policeman, and hosted a political party for B. Hussein Obama in 1995 .  Then there is Louis Farrakhan (do we need a description?)..and of course Rev Wright... Obama's Rev for 20 years..he of the "G--  D--- America" .   
          Then of course, there is Saul Alinsky; you wouldn't want to miss out on this sterling example, an advisor to BHO for years, especially during his 'community organizer' days..  Please take a look at Saul Alinsky's major literary acheivement;
   "RULES FOR RADICALS"...note especially, the background material..shaded in gray..
 
    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

   Finally, a photo of friend Wm Ayers;

[ironglow]

Now a few words from the left-leader himself;
   
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs&feature=related

       no false charges ...So where's the hypocrisy ?

[saddlebum]

You got busted......AGAIN!!
Get over it.......it's pretty much a way of life for you anyway!   

[beerbelly]

I think this is a much more dangerous situation than most seem to think. We, the U.S.A. worked very hard to break up the united Arab front against Israel. If the Jihadists manage to put that front back together, I see war in the near term.
  If so we will have a disruption of the flow of oil and possibly a world wide depression! To say nothing of the US troops that will die trying to save Israel!

[LunaticFringeInc]

I have no doubt Obama knows exactly what he is doing!

And that there my friend is truely a scarey though if there ever was one!

[ironglow]

I think this is a much more dangerous situation than most seem to think. We, the U.S.A. worked very hard to break up the united Arab front against Israel. If the Jihadists manage to put that front back together, I see war in the near term.
  If so we will have a disruption of the flow of oil and possibly a world wide depression! To say nothing of the US troops that will die trying to save Israel!

   Beerbelly;
   I think you are entirely correct..and that is painfully obvious;
  The spectre of a worldwide depression is very real because of the threatened cut off of oil to the first world countries.  The liberals (Fabian socialists) have greased the skids on this one, preventing our every effort of becoming 'energy independent'.
  At least 10 years ago many were telling the energy obstructing lefties that we should "drill here and drill now"..even if only to hold in reserve for any restriction on foreign oil.  They were aware of the possibility of a cutoff way back in the 70s. Later, Clinton started putting a "strategic reserve in caves"..wonder if they have sneaked all the reserve away ?
   In any case, every time conservatives have asked them not to block our own oil fields..their excuse has been, "if we started now, it would be 5-7 years before it would be in full production".  Fact is, they have been using that same excuse for 30 years... see how their logic runs....we could now be about 23 years into full production.   No, I really believe they want to destroy the United States. Everything they do..from impossible regulations on manufacturers, to putting our best western and Alaskan oil reserves off=limits, to crippling our small busineses with taxes and regulations..are obviously aimed at the further destruction of our economy.

   One thing they haven't contemplated..I don't think they have anyway..   If the nations surrounding Israel all go radical and eventually decide to attack...the war will not be confined to the mideast. Israelis will use their nuclear arsenal..and nuclear war cannot/will not be contained.  The whole picture chnged when Israel decided to drop the "Masada" defense plan and adopt the "Samson" defense plan.

  Fact is, Biblical prophesy says that someday this will happen.. Israel will be attacked by a Russia/Pan Arab alliance..and that alliance will be utterly defeated.  Simply because Israel will not be fighting alone..Almighty God will be standing with them  !

  The worst mistake the United States could ever make would be to desert Israel in such an hour of need...because then God would be forced to deal with the United States.