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500 S&W
« on: February 07, 2011, 11:38:08 AM »
I was wondering about price of ammo and if it is worth getting.  I am working on a trade for it in a handi rifle.  Is the recoil real stiff?    Just wondering   thanks
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2011, 12:10:39 PM »
Ammo prices for the 500 are ungodly high.  If you reload, it isn't too bad.  Recoil with factory loads is brisk to say the least.  Another problem is that ammo is not really easy to find.  If you don't rload, this caliber is not very user friendly.  To the reloader, it is great.  Mild to wild, recoil push to recoil thump, all yours with a simple load adjustment.
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2011, 12:14:13 PM »
Hmmm.......... kind of sounds like a 45-70....<><....:)
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 12:36:07 PM »
If I didn't reload for my 500 someone else would own it. I couldn't afford to shoot it.
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 02:03:16 PM »
The main advantages I see are the durability of the brass and that it can be used in some states primitive weaopns category. I think factory ammo runs close to $2 a cartridge. I find it to be very accurate, I am casting my own and handload, my loads run me about the same cost per shot as a 22 magnum  ;D ;D I use loads that duplicate 50/70 ammo, they killed elk and buffalo just fine. The 45/70 has a wider variety of ammo available, but unless they were side by side for the same price I would not choose the 45/70. If you have the chance for a good deal on a 500 I would not hesitate, unless you insist on factory ammo.
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 03:24:06 PM »
Factory ammo for the 500S&W is very expen$ive, the least expensive stuff is just under $2 a round, most is more, some a LOT more.  :o

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2011, 12:34:19 AM »
Thanks for the replies.  I do not reload.  don't have the gear but i would like to.  I have an opportunity to trade a muzzleloader for this rifle so I might do it.  could be the start of some fun reloading!  thanks again   <>< del
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2011, 02:06:21 AM »
If you enjoy shooting and can't afford a lot of factory loads, reloading is the way to go.  Not only money saving, it is very satisfying to make & shoot your own ammo. 
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2011, 02:33:55 AM »
+1 on what Pete just said.  I was stupid and didn't start reloading until last year.  I just bought a 500 barrel from frgerald, and am getting my dies, brass and bullets on order.  I think it is going to be another "Hoot ta Shoot".

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2011, 02:50:32 AM »
The funniest thing is that this is a HANDGUN cartridge
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2011, 03:23:16 AM »
wreckhog, I haven't got mine together yet.  I don't know anything yet for sure, but I'm thinking the same thing.  How bad can it be in a rifle if it's a handgun round?  Regardless, I'll just load them to "comfortable".

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2011, 03:31:23 AM »
Quote from: petemi on February 08, 2011, 03:23:16 AM
wreckhog, I haven't got mine together yet.  I don't know anything yet for sure, but I'm thinking the same thing.  How bad can it be in a rifle if it's a handgun round?  Regardless, I'll just load them to "comfortable".

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It ain't terrible but in a rifle it's a whole other horse.
It does have some kick.
Not as much as my 450 Marlin barrel (IMO) but you do notice it.



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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2011, 04:33:06 AM »
That entirely depends on your load!!!!

My 500 XTPs moving out at close to 1600 put a hurting on you for certain!!! Don't shoot so accurate, but get your attention when the hammer falls!!!

Tim's got some 700's going 1300+ IIRC I'll wager dems da same!!!  LOL

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2011, 05:18:49 AM »
The 700gr Ranger Ricks run 1433fps, as CW said, the 500S&W isn't the most accurate H&R chambering, but plenty good enough for its intended range.   ;)

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2011, 05:46:37 AM »
WAY cool..........I just might have to get one too (no, no, tell me it isnt so........)!
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2011, 06:33:22 AM »
Well, i just picked it up and I think I am going to like it.  Got a half of a box of ammo to boot!  Will let yall know what I think.  <>< del
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2011, 08:04:13 AM »
Fantastic!
Shoot some of the ammo to get empty brass, unless youve got the other half box of empties. If so, just shoot a few to get the feel of factory loads and save them for now. Get back to us with some measurement of the fire-formed case mouth dia. (the very front lip will likely be turned in a bit from the factory crimp; roll that out straight with the case) to see what dia. lead bullet is likely to fit.
We'll find a way to get you loading this, hopefully on the cheap for now, in short order.
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2011, 08:11:01 AM »
Outstanding!  thanks alot for the help!  <><del
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2011, 08:55:13 AM »
Just want to add my .02 cents. I have a 500 because it is legal for deer in indiana but the 45/70 is not. I also have a .44/.445 SM but something about the 500 and i actually had it first.

You will have to reload for this hog........You can get  into the 500 reloading for minimal investment and reloads make it very affordable to shoot. I personally load 400 grain cast bullets from Missouri bullet company over 12 grains of trail boss.   A very mild load and fun to shoot. I believe I paid about 41 dollars for 200 bullets. Add the primer/powder cost and I guess it runs in the range of about 30 cents per round. Maybe a bit more but still a whole lot less than the 2 dollar plus range of factory ammo.

You will enjoy it.
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2011, 10:45:12 AM »
Quote from: wreckhog on February 08, 2011, 02:50:32 AM
The funniest thing is that this is a HANDGUN cartridge

and even funny'er...it hurts ina handgun too !!! i gotta 500 ana .460 smith handgun
even wif selected handloads it can put tha hurt on ya hands !!!
it hurts.... it wud belong ta sumbody else ifin it was'nt a b-day present from all tha kids.
it jus plain hurts ya.....out of bout 25 times its been fired, i pulled it 3 times. it'll hurt ya...
now tha .460 isa lil bit tamer. did i mention the .500 will hurt ya....ina handgun too ?
handload'n is the only way to shoot this handcannon. i guess that trailboss wud be a lot less
 in pain. but, then ya cud just shoota slang-shot wifa .500 boolit in it an get damnear tha speed ;)
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2011, 01:09:05 PM »
"Shoot a sling shot with it and get the same speed!".......Took me about 30 minutes to break the code Doc, but I figured it out!

Pretty smart guy am I! ;D
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2011, 01:33:38 PM »
By golly Tim, that group ain't nothing to sneeze at, especially with them elephant loads!!! I'd be tickled if my 870 slug gun shot half that good at 100 yds.
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2011, 01:39:01 PM »
real gud, i had faith in ya......... ;D

ifin ya run inta any trouble jus holler at me !!! ;)
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2011, 02:26:43 PM »
Quote from: Tom Threetoes on February 08, 2011, 01:33:38 PM
By golly Tim, that group ain't nothing to sneeze at, especially with them elephant loads!!! I'd be tickled if my 870 slug gun shot half that good at 100 yds.

Thanks, but the 45-70s have spoiled me!  :-\

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 02:43:35 PM »
Either Tim gave up trying to hit that penny, or that 45-70 actually hit it and knocked it into the next county! ;D
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2011, 02:46:24 PM »
Actually neither, someone forgot the penny!  :-[

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2011, 02:53:33 PM »
Sportsman's Guide has 80 rounds of 400gr SJSP ammo on sale for $118.72 plus shipping if you are a member.
$124.97 plus shipping if you are not a member.

That's $1.48 per round.
400gr SJSP at 1600 FPS
                                                                       
136965    80 rds. .500 S&W®    $124.97    $118.72


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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2011, 04:17:44 PM »
That's a pretty good price for factory compared to most.

Still can't beat reloading though!

Midway USA

For 100 rnds.
100 pcs 400 gr. Hornady jacketed XTP $27.99
100 CCI LP Primers $3.30
Starline Brass 100 pcs. $62.00
Powder 1lb. Your preference so it could vary $24.00
Lee Loader $24.00

Total $139.29  YMMV
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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2011, 12:22:44 AM »
Quote from: LONGTOM on February 08, 2011, 02:53:33 PM
Sportsman's Guide has 80 rounds of 400gr SJSP ammo on sale for $118.72 plus shipping if you are a member.
$124.97 plus shipping if you are not a member.

That's $1.48 per round.
400gr SJSP at 1600 FPS
                                                                       
136965    80 rds. .500 S&W®    $124.97    $118.72

Not bad for factory ammo.



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I just tried to order them and they can't ship to my Michigan zip code.  They always have in the past.

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Re: 500 S&W
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2011, 05:42:11 AM »
Well, I had the 500 for about 7 hours and a guy bought me a new 444 handi and traded me out of the 500.  My 15 year old son just had to shoot it before i got rid of it.  he is hooked.  He is going to buy him one.  The recoil is nothing.  About like 3 inch magnums in my 870.  I was thinking it would be very stiff but it was not bad, VERY loud, but it was fun to shoot.  Now got to find out some reloads for the 444.  <>< del
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