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Real amatuer question - Identify this part
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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2011, 04:00:25 AM »
I have heard it called the round thingy on the end...but it is called the knob.

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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2011, 04:09:08 AM »
I have heard it called the round thingy on the end...but it is called the knob.

Isn't it called the "cascabel"?
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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2011, 04:11:29 AM »
Im not sure what use it has on field cannon, but on ships it usually has rope around it.

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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 04:52:53 AM »
I have heard it called the round thingy on the end...but it is called the knob.

Isn't it called the "cascabel"?
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Origin of CASCABEL
Spanish, literally, small bell
First Known Use: 1639
from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cascabel
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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 04:58:54 AM »
So far, I have been using a slightly more technical term "Gizzmachi"  but I am not sure it is Italian (are the Italians technical anyway?)

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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 05:23:06 AM »
Coiled snake in another language ...... not sure which .
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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 06:10:14 AM »
I have heard it called the round thingy on the end...but it is called the knob.

Isn't it called the "cascabel"?
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The knob, neck any fillets and breech base make up the cascabel.


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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2011, 06:28:53 AM »
I have heard it called the round thingy on the end...but it is called the knob.

Isn't it called the "cascabel"?
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Origin of CASCABEL
Spanish, literally, small bell
First Known Use: 1639
from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cascabel

Which makes sense since there are many examples of hollow cascabel's on Spanish so it would look like a small bell.....
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Re: Real amatuer question - Identify this part
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2011, 06:41:20 AM »
     Below you see all the terms used in defining exactly the features of which a cannon's cascabel is composed:

 Cascabel knob
 Cascabel neck
 Breech face and moldings

Reference Only:   Breech ring

    Basically the cannon tube feature we call the cascabel is everything you find behind the rear edge of the Base Ring or Breech Ring which is the largest diameter of the tube located directly to the rear of the vent on almost all cannon, ( there are some exceptions where the vent intersects the breech face and mouldings).  The Cascabel Neck is the smallest dia. feature within the whole Cascabel.

     Also,  Cannon builders take note:  All the way up to modern times, (20th Century) you will see a term called Length of Tube or Cannon Length.  In many, many of the slightly older books on the subject of artillery, you will find that the author IS NOT  referring to the entire length of the gun, but rather, only to the length limited by the distance from the Muzzle Face to the rear of the Base Ring.  To get the Entire length of the cannon, they specified Over All Length or Total Length or Length to it's Extremes which included the entire Cascabel AND the Length of Tube.

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     The main use for the Cascabel has always been as an attachment point for tackle when mounting or dismounting a piece from its carriage.  Also in naval service the Cascabel has been used extensively as an aid to controlling recoil of the piece by the attachment and use of Breeching hausers or cables attached to it and the ship.

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