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CONSERVATIVES OR LIBERALS
« on: February 11, 2011, 01:06:13 AM »
Are the protesters in Cairo conservatives or liberals??

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2011, 02:26:00 AM »
It would be impossible for the protesters to be "all" of anything...and comparing Egyptians to anything we have going in the U.S. makes no sense.

I would imagine some are terrorists, some want government off their backs, some want government to give them lots of stuff...some just like protesting for the hell of it.

In my view...they are just Egyptian and we have no business getting involved in anything at all, or even trying to guess what they believe or do not believe in.

Side note...many people in the U.S. do NOT know what conservative or liberal is...so this in itself makes your question even more complicated.

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2011, 02:58:16 AM »
I agree with the previous. I imagine that there are all kinds of reasons they are on the streets, most of them are probably there because they hate Mubarik personally because of the mistreatment of his citizens. You can be sure that there are several organized groups plotting how they can grab power as soon as possible. This is what happens every time good people with legitimate gripes put their lives on the line to force out a bad government. If the radical Muslems grab power it won't be good, best we can hope for is that good men from the military end up in control

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2011, 03:07:53 AM »
I read in an article last week, one of the things that their protesting, hospitals had shut down some service's. Seems the govt. was millions behind in payments to the health care industry. HMMM Don't think that could happen in this country do you?? gypsyman
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2011, 04:40:53 AM »
Many, if not most, back the muslim brotherhood. They hate America and Israel, mohamed atta belonged to the same party. They have some legitimate gripes, but this will go bad for America and Israel. The present regime is not violent enough for them regaurding us and Israel. Whatever way it goes it will hurt us. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 01:32:45 PM »
It is my understanding that Jews and Palestinians were living together, with the Palestinians in majority. They got along fairly well living in the same neighborhoods. Then the US and Britain created modern Israel (I think in about 1957) dividing the country giving 60% to the Jews and 40% to the Palestinians. Palestinians had to leave their homes while new refugee Jews were allowed to move into Palestinian homes. Now I can understand why they are still sore about it.

"Unintended consequences" of messing in other peoples affairs.
Didn't Jefferson have something to say about that?
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 01:56:51 PM »
It is my understanding that Jews and Palestinians were living together, with the Palestinians in majority. They got along fairly well living in the same neighborhoods. Then the US and Britain created modern Israel (I think in about 1957) dividing the country giving 60% to the Jews and 40% to the Palestinians. Palestinians had to leave their homes while new refugee Jews were allowed to move into Palestinian homes. Now I can understand why they are still sore about it.

"Unintended consequences" of messing in other peoples affairs.
Didn't Jefferson have something to say about that?

Partition was in 48.  Both Jewish and Arab Palestinians had to do some relocating.  The big mass of the Arab Palestinians who moved did so on orders from the surrounding Muslim Arab states who promised them that once the Jews were either killed or driven into the sea, they could come back and take all the Jewish property.  In overall population the Jews were outnumbered about 10:1.  In terms of fighting force, about 40:1, and the Brits had turned over most of the strong points, armories, and fortifications to the Arab forces.  But those evil Jews somehow managed to not be killed off.  Shameful of them.

Oh, and they also appealed to their Arab neighbors to stay and help make the new nation strong and free, but they made the choice to follow the dictates of the caliphate and withdrew to the surrounding Arab states to wait for the slaughter of the Jews to take place.  If the Arab Palestinians want to be sore at some, they should be sore at Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon for failing to kill all the Jews as they had promised to do.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 02:47:13 PM »
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This is all in view of the israelis desire for some very expanded borders based on sketchy Biblical stuff and rants coming from israeli right wingers....new borders which encompasses much of Egypt, Suez, the Nile, other Arab countries etc.




Nothing sketchy about Israels rightful borders, the Bible is very plain on that. Israel is now occupied by squatters from 5 godless nations.  >:( >:(
SUBJOE. Good post Sir, all true. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2011, 04:04:04 PM »
  In the Balfour Declaration, the British govt drew the boundary lines in 1917 from an area of sundry warring tribes. The lines included a much larger area which encompassed Transjordan..basically today's Jordan.  Certain Arab tribes complained loud enough, until the Brits yelled "Uncle" and ceded what is today Jordan, back to these complaining tribes.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
    Curiously, the "Palestinian Refugees" are people exiled from Jordan and other middle eastern countries who were forced by those nations, imto the refugee camps.  They could have absorbed these Arab brothers into the Muslim countries which are 500 times the land area as Israel..but they refused.  This is the cause of much of the friction, mostly supported by Islamic fanaticism.

  Sorry about "copping the thread"..as with others, I think the crown in Cairo is a mixed polyglot of people & groups. Now the struggle or jockeying for position begins, practically any of which would be poor news for the USA.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 05:24:51 PM »
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Curiously, the "Palestinian Refugees" are people exiled from Jordan and other middle eastern countries who were forced by those nations, imto the refugee camps.  They could have absorbed these Arab brothers into the Muslim countries which are 500 times the land area as Israel..but they refused.  This is the cause of much of the friction, mostly supported by Islamic fanaticism.





IRONGLOW. All true. The other godless nations put them out like cur dogs cause they didn'y want them. I may be wrong but I believe Syria actually offered them their own land but they refused. They wouldn't be able to kill innocent Isrealis if they did that, and the killing of innocents is what they live for. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2011, 09:00:11 PM »

"Unintended consequences" of messing in other peoples affairs.
Didn't Jefferson have something to say about that?


Yes he did, but the sad fact is......... most people today could care less what Jefferson said! :'(
Might as well quote George Jefferson!

The reason those people in Egypt took to the streets is because they are sick and tired of trying to live on 2.00 a day, while a select few live like Kings. I agree with TM! Conservatism, and Liberalism is an American thing our leaders chose for us to pick from. It gives us a sense of belonging to a team, while they fleece us.

Americans will take to the streets in the coming years too, and pretty much for the same reasons.  Being Conservative or Liberal won't be an issue. Tired of the government taking everything we worked hard for, will be the reason.


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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 02:59:14 AM »
NW Hunter;
  I must disagree with your description of conservative vs liberal above.  While it is true that the two can mean different things ain different locations and at different times, the meaning of each in today's US idiom is quite clear.  Worldwide CONSERVative.. means to conserve the traditional values of the past, while LIBERAL means a tendancy to grasp for the new and different..even if it means "throwing the baby out with the bath water".  Let's first look at other countries & times:
 
    Other countries;
   In a theocratically run mid-east Muslim nation the conservatives would be those who want Allah to rule and all to live by sharia law...their traditional way of life. The liberal would be the one trying to instill the new and revolutionary (e.g. the Shah)
  ..an example of a conservative there would be Osama Bin Laden.

  Other times;
   In colonial America, our forefathers who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were liberals of their time..even though their ideas and thought processes were in no way similar to today's liberals. 

   Worth noting the irony:   the liberals here backed the Ayatollahs instead of the liberal Shah

   Conservative vs liberal today in the US is not just a "trick' of the politicians but rather reflects the real, tangible culture war going on here in the US today.  If anyone is confused as to where they really stand, here is an even handed and fair test wher one can figure where their politics lie, I'll disclose my score later;

  http://www.blogthings.com/howliberalorconservativeareyouquiz/
 
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 03:16:59 AM »
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Curiously, the "Palestinian Refugees" are people exiled from Jordan and other middle eastern countries who were forced by those nations, imto the refugee camps.  They could have absorbed these Arab brothers into the Muslim countries which are 500 times the land area as Israel..but they refused.  This is the cause of much of the friction, mostly supported by Islamic fanaticism.





IRONGLOW. All true. The other godless nations put them out like cur dogs cause they didn'y want them. I may be wrong but I believe Syria actually offered them their own land but they refused. They wouldn't be able to kill innocent Isrealis if they did that, and the killing of innocents is what they live for. POWDERMAN.  :o :o


I see that we have neglected to mention the hundreds of thousands of Jews forced at bayonet point out of the Muslim Arab states around Israel at the time of Partition.  Why is their no outcry about their plight?  Oh...wait....the new Jewish state took them in!  Treated them like people rather than political pawns to destroy the Arab states.

Some Arab thought on the Arab Palestinian refugees:

Egyptian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Muhammad Saleh ed-Din, in.a leading Egyptian daily, demanded the return of the refugees:
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    Let it therefore be known and appreciated that, in demanding the restoration of the refugees to Palestine, the Arabs intend that they shall return as the masters of the homeland, and not as slaves. More explicitly: they intend to annihilate the state of Israel.

The Lebanese paper AI-Ziyyad  suggested the recognition of Israel as a strategy that would accomplish the following results (from April, 1950):
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    The return of all the refugees to their homes would be secured, thereby we should, on the one hand, eliminate the refugee problem, and on the other, create a large Arab majority that would serve as the most effective means of reviving the Arab character of Palestine, while forming a powerful fifth column for the day of revenge and reckoning.

In 1958, former director of UNRWA Ralph Galloway declared angrily while in Jordan that
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    The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations, and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die.

King Hussein, the sole Arab leader who directed integration of the Arabs, in 1960 stated,
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    Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner.... They have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal

In 1951, Syria was anxious for additional workers who would settle on the land. An Egyptian paper reported,

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The Syrian government has officially requested that half a million Egyptian agricultural workers ... be permitted to emigrate to Syria in order to help develop Syrian land which would be transferred to them as their property. The responsible Egyptian authorities have rejected this request on the grounds that Egyptian agriculture is in need of labor.

At that time 200,000 Arab "refugees" were languishing in Gaza, along with "80,000 original residents who barely made a living before the refugees arrived," according to the UNRWA report in 1951-52, yet a project with "hope" to accommodate "10,000 families" in the "Sinai area" was "suspended."

So we see from the words of the Muslim Arab leaders of that period that they didn't want the "refugee problem" solved, but to use the refugees as a weapon against Israel.  We see the UN noting that the Arab states would greatly benefit from welcoming the refugees.  Kind of hard to refute their own words.
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2011, 03:34:52 AM »
I took the quiz. Like all of these things and all polls the answers are simplistic or loaded to get a certain response. Even considering that I was fairly well satisfied with my rating.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2011, 04:06:15 AM »
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So we see from the words of the Muslim Arab leaders of that period that they didn't want the "refugee problem" solved, but to use the refugees as a weapon against Israel.  We see the UN noting that the Arab states would greatly benefit from welcoming the refugees.  Kind of hard to refute their own words.




SUBJOE. Gosh, almost sounds like they are deliberately using the mongrel palis to do their dirty work. Big shock there. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2011, 05:32:04 AM »
Most of our problems in the middle East is caused by that bunch of thieving Jews that stole the land they now call Israel from the people that owned it! For all you religious nuts, I have never heard god say that land was to be given to the Jews and neither have you! Don't tell me he wrote it in the bible, he did not write the bible! Men did! You don't think maybe it was Jewish men do you?
    The Jews were the first terrorist in that area. They were bombing the British just like the Arabs are bombing them now! There is no difference between the two, except that we the USA has propped up Israel since it's inception. And we are paying a heavy price for it! To heavy a price I say, let Israel fall! To hell with them, they hate us as much as they hate the Muslims. They are just to occupied with them to mess with us!

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2011, 06:12:23 AM »
We're getting alot of zio interpreted false history here from IG, PMan, subjoe, etc. Fact is if these guys had there land stolen they would be diehatrd fighters to get it back. Another fact distorted is prior to 1947 Palestine was a thriving region with it's own governmnet and applying for statehood. Zio-isreal, new Babylon, is Biblically prevented by true torah jews,,,not to be created by the acts of men, but by God. The rest of the myth is to make slaves of all other tribes and to justify atrocities and terrorism. The Balfour Agreement was a con,,,later tied promises made in WW1 brought to fruition by the myths and deals of WW2. Jews had traditonally been treated better by moslems then by so-called Christians for centuries all thru the middle east. Indigenous inhabitants of Palestine have been taken in by many surrounding countries. False Neo-Babylon only expands by confict and support of zio-christians..not peace. As far as islamics are concerned the line in the sand is Palestine. The USA really never had much problems with moslems until the creation of Neo-Babylon via the Balfour Con, became reality. Truman singularly approved of this con...against all political and military advisement of his time. The rest of the story is a circle of military spending and pimping, resource grabbing, apartheid and crime.

nwhunter:.... IG said "Worldwide CONSERVative.. means to conserve the traditional values of the past,"....hardly in this-his case...zio-Christianity is new, not traditional, and is the worst departure from Fundamental Christianity ever in history. It is the analog of radical islam, has little if anything to do with the Logos. These guys have never shown me where Christ said to go kill Palestinians and make perpetual war...indeed quite the opposite. Hagee has even said that jews no longer need accept Christ to find salvation. In fact, these guys deliberately avoid The Logos of Christ, perferr citing most everything else Tribal in their Bibles.
They're defaulters...and their concept of Rapture is also a false premise in Fundamental Christianity, but which they hang their robes on neo Babylon's tree.

..TM7
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Let me see if I have this straight.  Jews being forced out of Muslim Arab states is stealing land from Muslim Arab Palestinians.  The Brits bailing out, giving the land back to the Palestinian people, Jews and Muslim Arabs alike, is stealing land from Muslim Arab Palestinians.  Muslim Arab leaders in surrounding Muslim Arab states ordering the Muslim Arab Palestinians out of the way so their armies have a clear field to kill off all the Jews is stealing land from the Muslim Arab Palestinians.   Is there anything that happens in the world that you don't consider theft from the Muslim Arab Palestinians? 

Of course, by the reasoning ,
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Fact is if these guys had there land stolen they would be diehatrd fighters to get it back
  Israel would be justified in waging unrestricted warfare against Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan in order to get back the land that was stolen when those Muslim Arab states forced their Jewish citizens out. 



ADDED:

I would like mention that a week ago (more or less) a post I made calling on a certain person, who is a mod here, to refute something point by point, prompted a warning by another mod.  Now we have a person, who is a mod here, basically calling several of us liars, by name.  I mod on some other boards and take pains to avoid personal attacks like that.

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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2011, 11:34:53 AM »
SUBJOE. The only thing you need to know about the unnamed one is that according to him, or her, it's real simple. Godless ones good. America, Jews, Israel, Christians bad. And yes you are right, he, or she, does call a lot of us liars and worse but it's ok cause he, or she, is a mod. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2011, 12:02:38 PM »
http://www.mideastweb.org/refugees4.htm

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These refugees have found homes in Israel, Europe and the United States. Nonetheless, they were usually forced to leave their homes under duress, and in most cases were deprived of their property. There is no doubt that they suffered unjustifiably, and that any "just" solution to the Israeli-Arab conflict must take into account their legitimate claims and just grievances.

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The Jewish communities of Hebron and Jerusalem were destroyed successively in the Arab  riots of 1929 uprising of 1936 and finally in the 1948 War of Independence. No Jews were allowed to live in territories held by the Arab forces. Therefore the remaining Jews of Jerusalem, and those of Gush Etzion, Atarot, Neve Yaakov and kibbutzim in the Gaza strip were forced to evacuate their homes and leave their property without compensation.

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Mr. Auguste Lindt, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, recognized the refugee status of Jews from Arab and Muslim countries in the report of the UNREF Executive Committee, Fourth Session – ‎Geneva 29 January to 4 February, 1957. Likewise, Dr. E. Jahn, Office of the UN High Commissioner, United Nations High ‎Commissioner for Refugees, Document No. 7/2/3/Libya, July 6, 1967, recognized the refugee status of these Jews.

Nonetheless, in contrast with the numerous UN resolutions concerning Palestinian Arab refugees, as well as the apparatus of UNRWA set up to deal with Arab refugees, no action at all was taken regarding Jewish refugees from Arab countries. The expulsions of Jews from Arab countries in many cases violated human rights conventions, but no actions were taken against the countries concerned. Israel has not pressed the claims of Jewish refugees from Arab countries or refugees evacuated in 1948 from areas conquered by the Arabs.


These
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_lands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict

 will of course be dismissed because  "Its Wikipedia and anyone can post anything" try following the links. 

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Before the adoption by the United Nations of Resolution 181 in November 1947 and the declaration of the State of Israel in May 1948, several Arab countries adopted discriminatory measures against their local Jewish populations. The status of Jewish citizens in Arab states worsened dramatically following the 1948 Israeli-Arab conflict. Jews were uprooted from their longtime residency or became political hostages of the Arab–Israeli conflict.

As a result, a large number of Jews were forced to emigrate from Arab lands, although some emigrated for ideological reasons.[28] Over 700,000 Jews emigrated to Israel between 1948 and 1952, with approximately 285,000 of them from Arab countries


http://www.hsje.org/forcedmigration.htm

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With the United Nations resolution on the partition of Palestine in November 1947, Arab riots broke out against numerous Jewish communities throughout the Arab world. Jewish shops, homes and synagogues were burned and looted; hundreds of Jews were murdered, thousands were imprisoned, their movement was restricted, emigration to Israel banned and many Jews were deprived of their citizenship. Jews who at one time were influential in commerce suddenly lost their holdings; bank accounts belonging to Jews were frozen, and property valued at millions of dollars was confiscated. As in previous centuries, Jews were further removed from government agencies and their admission to public office was severely restricted. They lost their means of survival and became hostages in their own countries of birth and origin. Consequently, they could no longer remain there. Where once Jewish communities flourished and thrived, as in Iraq, Egypt and Syria, their traces have been erased, as Jews in large numbers were compelled to uproot and   to emigrate, and they were forced to leave all their property behind.

So, yeah, they did not officially have to leave.  They could have stayed and been murdered.   

Sorry that I couldn't dig up any stories about it from an unbiased source, said CAIR or al-Jazeera.


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We're getting alot of zio interpreted false history here from...

No, that is not coming out blatantly and saying that anyone is a liar.  And if someone kicks my behind, they are not kicking me, just my pants. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2011, 12:41:56 PM »
  Nearlt everybody here runs around using "Zio"interpretation of events.  Guess we are supposed to swithch right over to the "TM" interpretation of events, even  thoughthe "Zio" interpretation is much closer to the orthodox, accepted interpretation... Hmmmmm





    Take a break TM;
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2011, 12:57:46 AM »
  Subjoe says;
  I see that we have neglected to mention the hundreds of thousands of Jews forced at bayonet point out of the Muslim Arab states around Israel at the time of Partition.  Why is their no outcry about their plight?  Oh...wait....the new Jewish state took them in!  Treated them like people rather than political pawns to destroy the Arab states.

  Joe has a valid point;
       Ever since the Babylonian exile Jews have lived throughout the entire middle east.  With the rise of Islam the persecution of the Jews began.  After the partition, they were along with certain Arab groups, forced out of surrounding islamic countries.
  Obviously, they weren't paid for their homes and businesses which they had to leave behind in those lands...so at best, it's probably a "land & property exchange"
  To consider who is more entitled, beyond the deed the Jews got in about 1500 BC...Let's look at who has cared more for that same spot of ground.  Prior to the partition, it was a virtual wasteland with run down cities and no manufacturing or produce to speak of.  Now, it is a great agricultural nation, supplying much fruit to Europe etc., plus  Israel is a nation light years ahead of it's Arab neighbors in medicine, technology, science and other efforts.
   The Arab neighbors could do the same in their neighboring states if they would quit obsessing about that narrow splinter of land called Israel and learn from the Jews how to turn a desert wasteland into a blooming, producing, democratic nation.
      Only small problem..the blooming and progress of Israel is actually fulfillment of prophesy !  As long as the Jews have their homeland, it will be a land of "milk & honey".. For the centuries between AD 70 and AD 1948, it deteriorated greatly..because the Jews were not in possession of THEIR LAND, and it turned to a wasteland because the occupiers were not the rightful heirs.
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2011, 02:20:06 AM »
My reading of history tells me that the Jews never forced the Arabs out of the land when modern Israel was reestablished in 1948. Jews and Arabs had been living side by side in the land in peace for thousands of years. Rumor mongering caused most of the Arabs to flee before the new nation was officially created. The Arabs that didn't panic and remained are happy, are full citizens, and coexist very well with the Jews. 

The book of Isiah says, "Can a nation be created at the stroke of a pen?"  Thousands of years later that is exactly how Israel came back into being

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2011, 04:36:28 AM »
The Arabs that didn't panic and remained are happy, are full citizens, and coexist very well with the Jews.

Oh yeah, I remember a CBS report years ago. It had a Arab working in an Israelis orchard. The reporter said this shows that you folks can get along, he is letting you work in his orchard. The Arab said it was my orchard, in my family for three hundred years, until they took it from me and yes now he lets me work in my orchard, but he gets the profits!
    And people wonder why they hate!

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2011, 04:37:20 AM »
Oh yeah, I remember a CBS report years ago. It had a Arab working in an Israeli’s orchard. The reporter said this shows that you folks can get along, he is letting you work in his orchard. The Arab said it was my orchard, in my family for three hundred years, until they took it from me and yes now he lets me work in my orchard, but he gets the profits!
    And people wonder why they hate!

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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2011, 06:14:12 AM »
Again, a lot of wasted bandwidth to say it's the Jews fault, and more misinformation about scriptures. YAAAAAWWWWWNNNN. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2011, 04:28:48 AM »

The thing you refuse to understand is that the Jews hate you Christians just as mush as they hate their Muslim adversaries! They do not believe in your savoir Christ! To them you are a sub human thing called a gentile. I don't know how the Jews got this Jew- Christian thing going! Judaism is one religion, Christianity is another. They truly have you hood winked!

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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2011, 09:38:05 AM »
  TM...I'm disappointed.. The IDF cap is still where I left it for you...
       
              Didn't you even try it on ?
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2011, 09:59:56 AM »
  TM...I'm disappointed.. The IDF cap is still where I left it for you...
       
              Didn't you even try it on ?



The cap couldn't possibly be big enough. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2011, 10:05:15 AM »
Quote from: ironglow on Today at 02:38:05 PM
  TM...I'm disappointed.. The IDF cap is still where I left it for you...
       
              Didn't you even try it on ?



The cap couldn't possibly be big enough. POWDERMAN.   


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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2011, 10:12:07 AM »
subjoesph:   

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..................Professor Jesse H. Holmes, writing in, "The American Hebrew," expressed the following similar sentiments,
"It can hardly be an accident that antagonism directed against the Jews is to be found pretty much everywhere in the world where Jews and non-Jews are associated. And as the Jews are the common element of the situation it would seem probable, on the face of it, that the cause will be found in them rather than in the widely varying groups which feel this antagonism."

Now here is a novel, new and enlightning thought. ;)
 
 
 
 
Just in Europe and Russia alone, the Jews have been banished 47 times in the last 1,000 years:
  WHAT the Nazi's weren't the only ones............."who da thuncket that"  ??? ................................................. etc etc.




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