.30-30 Nosler Partition

[kmittleman]

Hi all,


I'm looking to develope a load for my .30-30 and want to use these Nosler Partition 170gr FP's for hog hunting. However I'm worried that the bullet may not perform at .30-30 velocities. Nosler says the bullets have to go a least 1800 fps others say 2000 fps is the minimum. Anyone have any experience with this?

-Kevin

[quickdtoo]

Minimum for the Partition is 1800fps.

Tim

http://www.noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1347

[Land_Owner]

No experience here with the 30-30 Partition.  Loads of experience with some other 30-30 bullets though.

My recommendation for you is to test it from your rifle on game after you do your part, which part is reload and tune your rifle, practice to proficiency, and place your shot with confidence on game where it will count.  After that, it is all about the bullet.

[Junior1942]

To me, the 170 Nosler Partition is the only jacketed bullet I'd use on hogs in a 30-30.

I just got through testing the 7mm 175 gr Nosler Partition on wet newsprint and at ~1600 fps velocity.  They expanded about twice caliber and penetrated ~19".  So your 30-30 Partition would go end-to-end on a hog and expand to boot.

[HL]

I will say that a 160gr. Partition in a 7mag will stop a 100lb boar in it tracks. 

[thejanitor]

Just wondering, can you use the new leverevolution powder with that bullet to get the fps you need? I have not looked at the data AT ALL but saw a post somewhere else about the powder really making a difference in the performance. May be worth looking into to give you the best of both worlds or at least the best of the 30-30 world, and at least the bottom line FPS for the partition? Good luck.  thejanitor

[Mohawk]

Just remember with soft points to factor in the resistance medium(tough hog flesh) into your equation. Less velocity will be needed for a hog than, by say, a deer.  Just a thought without crunching numbers... (:

[Dee]

Years ago I shot some Nosler partitions in mine. Couldn't tell the difference from other 170s as concerns killing game, and went back to my long time friend the 150 jrn bullet. It will kill some awfully big hogs.

[Ak.Hiker]

I have some factory 170 grain Nosler Partitions loaded by Federal in 30/30. I think the bullet is a fine choice for hogs. I also would think that any major brand 150 and 170 grain SP would work as well.

[rickt300]

Saying the Nosler Partition is the only bullet you would use for hogs is really putting the 30-30 down. I have to say that there probably isn't a bad factory loaded bullet loaded in the 30-30 that wouldn't do just fine, that is unless they still load the 55 gr. 22 caliber saboted round, I would except it. Lately my 30-30 has been shooting a lot of Federal 170 gr. soft noses because they are cheap and do very well whatever you shoot with it as long as ranges are kept reasonable.

[HL]

I can agree with the last statement. I would bet a hog wouldn't move if it is hit with a Remington 150gr corelokt.

[Land_Owner]

Shot placement is a large part of game hunting.  I have seen large hogs, mortally wounded, take off without blood trails for parts unknown never to be recovered with 30-30's, 270's and 338's.  It happens.  I have also killed them DRT with the lowly 22LR.  As I said, shot placement is critical.  A well constructed 30-30 bullet, and I do not know any that are not well constructed, in 130, 150 or 170 grains is well suited to killing hogs.  A premium bullet. like the Partition, is no better or worse if shot placement isn't also part of the plan.

[cwlongshot]

I agree, The Partition is a excellent bullet. I like it and I use it in some calibers. But I really do not think your gonna see any benefits from its use in this caliber.

Look at it this way, When the partition was designed premium bullets where in there infancy. It was built with a two part core, why?  Because hi power center-fire rifle rounds had been spitting the cores out of bullets for many years. This was a simple way to limit expansion and allow for better penetration. The 30-30 is a old round, it doesn't have the HP of newer hi power rounds. Its never been known to over expand or to have its bullets spit there cores. Its used for med big game at moderate distances and works very well with in those parameters.

Now hogs can be tough to put down and if hit wrong bullets have been known to fail. But as mentioned numerous times above. Bullet placement is key. The 30-30 with a 150 or my preference a 170 grain bullet will not let you down and it will do it for ALLOT less $$.

CW

[Sourdough]

I shoot almost exclusively Nosler Partitions and swear by them.  I like Partitions for Bears, they break shoulders and other hard bones.  Bears are a lot like Hogs.

Looking in the 5th edition of Nosler's reloading guide, they only list one bullet for the 30-30.  That is the 170gr Partition.  Velocities range from 1738 to 2192 FPS.  In the notes they say "Our 170gr Round Nose Partition Bullet was designed specifically for the 30-30.  It will expand well at velocities out to 200 yards.

The powders that give the best velocities are IMR4320, IMR3031, and Varget

[Land_Owner]

"Our 170gr Round Nose Partition Bullet was designed specifically for the 30-30.  It will expand well at velocities out to 200 yards."

From the manufacturer, it does not get any more well written than that.  If the Nosler Partition  premium bullet is your choice; if it suits your fancy and makes you more confident; if you and your rifle shoot it well; go for it, and go for it in a big way. 

Don't forget to KILL THEM ALL.  There is no "End of Line" when it comes to hogs and pigs.

I had a "Jones" one season to shoot 150 grain Speer Grand Slams in .270 Win caliber.  I spent more time that season chasing "DRT" hits, THAT DIDN'T BUT SHOULD HAVE.  When I use 150 grain x .270 Win Nosler Partitions (now exclusively) and do my part, it is lights out, the party is over and the work has just begun!  DRT and no chasing.

I LIKE NOSLER PARTITIONS!!!!

[sweetwyominghome]

The 170 grain Partition is designed differently and thus is made specifically to perform at velocities attainable in 30-30 rifles.

At typical 30-30 speeds, this bullet WILL expand out to 200 yards -- and Nosler even acknowledges that in their reloading manual text.

[Hooker]

Partitions are great bullets ,but hogs ain't that fussy about what you shoot them with.
I like 170gr hard cast flat nose bullets in my 30/30 with load of Unique behind them coming out the pipe at about 1700 fps.
Put one of them behind any porker's ear and you done made bacon. Put one high through the shoulders and it will anchor even a big hog.

Pat

[rickt300]

Didn't mean to infer that I am not a fan of the Partition because I am. I also should have said the 170 gr. Partition would make a fine bullet for shooting feral hogs as would just about any 170 grain soft nose out of a 30-30.

[pastorp]

Yup.....Just put that Nosler 170gr right at the base of his ear & you have a DRT hog on your hands.    Of course you can do that with a 22LR. It's not as much about the bullet as it is shot placement..  
 
But then I guess we need something to talk about.
 
Regards,

[mannyrock]

 
   What an utter waste of time.
 
   A 170 grain, Remington Core-Lokt, factory ammo, will kill a huge hog in short order.
 
   I killed one way back in 1972, and my brother has killed at least six, all with this round.
 
   It's a pig, not a buffalo.
 
 

[dpastordan]

I have killed two hogs and one large doe with the .30-30 Nosler Partitions.  One of the hogs took a round behind the last rib on the right side and cut across diagonally out the left shoulder with complete penetration.  The hog went 215 lbs.  It's my favorite round for the .30-30.

[Land_Owner]

Come on Manny...give in a little will ya?  We ain't got nothin' else to talk about (unless you start somethin') so it isn't "wasted time".  We're speculatin' here.  We all know, as you said, the 170 x ANY MFG x 30-30 Gets it Done.  We're all just helping the "New Guy" make the same decision.

[Zeeks]

Remington 150gr corelokt will get the job done to any hog or Buffalo under 100yards with a 30-30.  I just find that a Nosler Partition bullet would be the top of the line, then corelokt.  The Lever revolution bullets do not perform well on wild boar.  They do not expand well,  just shatter compared to corelokt.    I wonder if the Nosler would be to hard or solid of a bullet...    ( very little expansion)  ?  Good question I think

[JWP58]

I can agree with the last statement. I would bet a hog wouldn't move if it is hit with a Remington 150gr corelokt.

I KNOW it wont. lol corelokt's will work just fine. Honestly shoot the cheapest round you can find, it will work.

[cwlongshot]

Remington 150gr corelokt will get the job done to any hog or Buffalo under 100yards with a 30-30.  I just find that a Nosler Partition bullet would be the top of the line, then corelokt.  The Lever revolution bullets do not perform well on wild boar.  They do not expand well,  just shatter compared to corelokt.    I wonder if the Nosler would be to hard or solid of a bullet...    ( very little expansion)  ? Good question I think

Sure the partition bullet is a top choice!!  NO it will not work like a solid... Unlike many other Partitions that are simply a diameter and could be used in a myriad of calibers with same diameter bullet. The 30-30 Partition is EXPRESSLY designed to work at the 30 Rem/30-30 ballistics. It WILL expand and WILL retain enough in its base to provide adequate penetration on big game with in appropriate ranges.
 
I simply do not see the need. If you do, go for it its a GREAT bullet!
CW

[quickdtoo]

Here's what the Nosler 6th has to say on their 170gr RNP in the 30-30 rifle data....

Tim

Our 170gr Nosler Round Nose Partition bullet was designed specifically for the 30-30. It will expand well at velocities out to 200yds....

[bigoledude]

There's a Texan on the web that gets paid to kill hogs.  He has a video on how easily the so-called armor plating on a hog can be penetrated.  He repeatedly puts .22LR thru and thru this cape/shield/armor with every shot.
 
It does not take an expensive bullet to accomplish this task.  I have never had a Nosler bullet shoot the most accurately out of ANY of my rifles.  I get best performance mostly from Sierra bullets.
 
My choice of bullet for hogs, out of a 30-30, would be a nice flat-nosed cast bullet.  Can't imagine what I would want a 30-30 bullet to do, that a good cast bullet wouldn't do perfectly.  There are several outfits selling cast bullets for this great old caliber.     

[Drilling Man]

  It does not take an expensive bullet to accomplish this task.  I have never had a Nosler bullet shoot the most accurately out of ANY of my rifles.  I get best performance mostly from Sierra bullets.   

  How accurate do they have to be???  I've never had a NP "NOT" more than accurate enough for hunting, and many times they shoot just like this,
 

 
  DM

[quickdtoo]

What DM said!

Tim

[cwlongshot]

While I must admit the Partitions have never given me the best accuracy for a given caliber. THEY ARE NO SLOUCHES and ALWAYS provided MORE than adequate accuracy.
 
I too like Sierras as an accurate hunting bullet. I have to admit, by and large the most accurate bullets, percentage wise, of all I have fired have been Nosler Ballistic tips. (Not considering custom HI DOLLAR bullets of coarse)
 
CW