Author Topic: White Rifles Going Out of Business? (Read 5061 times)

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #30 on:** December 25, 2003, 07:31:15 PM »

Chuck,

As for the .451's - - I didn't take that bet!

For starters, it seems obvious to me that you just have to have rifles in stock if you want to be able to sell them. If you don't, if you cannot supply dealers at all, if you have no dealer network, the show is over before the curtain opens.

Doc is timeless and priceless, his thinking and designs are sound and well-proven. It is just the execution and production of his rifles that seems to have gone awry. They are simple guns, that have done the job for years. They do need to have a just a little better quality control, though.

White does "make it right"-- eventually. There is just no reason for those guns not to be test-fired (at least snap off a few caps) before shipment. As to why "Split-Fire" is still mentioned on their website, what actual purpose their dealer list might serve, why the composite stocked models are still offered for sale (but not in existence), why the "latest" newsletter is close to a year old-- I can't say. To ask just gets very quickly through a few thin skins.

White Rifles need not get mad, they need to get even: by shipping out 100% inspected product, and engaging in the fine art of prompt and honest communication.

Muddyboots · « **Reply #31 on:** December 29, 2003, 11:58:33 AM »

Just want to thank y'all for reminding to go out and buy some bread and cheese.
Muddyboots

Old Cane · « **Reply #32 on:** December 30, 2003, 04:02:26 AM »

And so much for thinking a separate In-line forum meant everyone would get along now. Geez. I think some of you guys need a second job so you won't have so much free time. I have high blood pressure but it's from being fat, not from getting excited over someone asking a question on a forum.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #33 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:40:01 AM »

Quote from: Old Cane

And so much for thinking a separate In-line forum meant everyone would get along now. Geez.

Is that really why Al Gore invented the Internet? :shock:

Old Cane · « **Reply #34 on:** January 01, 2004, 10:12:30 AM »

But you know, if he thought people would get together and discuss their second ammendment rights and more he never would have left the tobacco fields, which he is now saying shouldn't exist. I sure am glad he invented though. And I thank him (when i can stop giggling like a little girl) everyday when I go to work.

woodseye · « **Reply #35 on:** January 01, 2004, 11:30:41 AM »

Al has invented inventing a lot of things :wink:

woods

big6x6 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 01, 2004, 03:42:28 PM »

"Is that really why Al Gore invented the Internet?"

UC didn't invent the internet?

Underclocked · « **Reply #37 on:** January 01, 2004, 11:00:55 PM »

Well yeah I did, but it didn't seem to catch any more fish than just using the outernet alone.

woodseye · « **Reply #38 on:** January 02, 2004, 12:22:49 AM »

I knew a girl that wore fishnet stockings once...............not sure if they were inner or outer as I was pretty young..........

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #39 on:** January 02, 2004, 04:40:19 AM »

Woodseye, I hear your girlfriend's in town. Where's she from?
Maine.
Banghor?
No, her mother was along.
What you do?
Did some shopping, went to a restaurant in Chicago at the corner of State and--
Wacker?
No, her mother was along.
What you eat?
Surf and turf, and some kind of cake for dessert.
Layer?
No, her mother was along.
How about after that?
Split a bottle of wine, played some cards.
Poker?
Darn right-- her mother finally left! :grin: :grin: :grin:

woodseye · « **Reply #40 on:** January 02, 2004, 07:09:27 AM »

:grin: :wink: :grin:

woods

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #41 on:** January 17, 2004, 05:11:25 PM »

Mike Wills, V-P of White Rifles, LLC, apparently enjoys reading GBO anonymously. Feeling compelled to e-mail my own words to me, he was given the courtesy of a prompt reply-- though, I'm still waiting for his.
In a message dated 1/13/2004 3:58:09 PM Central Standard Time, mwillstroy@hotmail.com writes:
A pity, but when a company can't pay its bills-- it sure looks that way. Anybody know different?
_________________
Randy Wakeman

Hello Mike,

Do YOU know different?

Anything I owe you personally? White Rifles? Any reason, despite all my unpaid, unthanked efforts on your behalf, 10 + e-mails to Steve Brown and phone calls are ignored, I'm lied to, and then slow-played and short-paid?

How many broken promises from your company does it take before I question the situation? Stiffing Lee Mecham / Black Ice Coatings since last June? Talk to XS Sights lately? Bell & Carlson? Ron Dahlitz at Buffalo Bullets? It's a new year, and no-- my old video bill is not taken care of yet. Someone at White feel the need to rip me off? Do you personally enjoy getting ripped off or slow-paid?

Show me where anything I've said is untruthful-- and I'm quite happy to immediately, and quite loudly apologize. As it is, your company has very deeply disappointed me.[/b]

Awaiting your call,

Randy

grouse · « **Reply #42 on:** January 17, 2004, 06:12:28 PM »

Randy, dont wait buy the phone. They ripped you off.
That"s a shame. That kind of stuff ruins things for everybody.
A phone call before, a payment plan, etc. They couldn"t
even do that. It"s a shame such a great connical shooting
gun, has no loyal people to support it.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #43 on:** January 17, 2004, 06:52:42 PM »

Ahh, well. Live and learn. :? It is the type of publicity for a company that "money just can't buy."

It can, however, be stolen.

woodseye · « **Reply #44 on:** January 18, 2004, 02:24:06 AM »

Most forums the threads about White ML'ers current business practices and financial problems have been squelched and deleted I notice. Very foolish to bring this topic back to the top, especially by a member of their own company to further expose these problems they are struggling with. Guess we'll wait to see the response to Randys post or maybe they will quietly withdraw with little if any dignity or crediability left. Notice their staunch defenders have a lot less to say now than at the beginning of the post when some of us were "running with scraps" and no factual info :wink: have you guys got enough info yet? :eek:

woods

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #45 on:** January 18, 2004, 05:17:53 AM »

I think most consumers would like to believe their new muzzleloader with a "lifetime warranty" is from a company that has a realistic "lifetime" of longer than their pet goldfish.

grouse · « **Reply #46 on:** January 18, 2004, 09:48:19 AM »

Quote from: RandyWakeman

I think most consumers would like to believe their new muzzleloader with a "lifetime warranty" is from a company that has a realistic "lifetime" of longer than their pet goldfish.

That"s for sure..

bjgolfnut · « **Reply #47 on:** January 18, 2004, 09:55:53 AM »

Very foolish to bring this topic back to the top, especially by a member of their own company to further expose these problems they are struggling with. woods[/quote]

Hey,
It looks like this WAS dead until Randy posted again. There was nothing posted since Jan 2 and that was by you.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #48 on:** January 18, 2004, 10:44:01 AM »

Folks seem to love information that is the least bit provocative. Far from "dead"-- it is viewed again and again, remains the most popular thread on this forum, and has been ported to others as well.

woodseye · « **Reply #49 on:** January 18, 2004, 11:11:13 AM »

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It looks like this WAS dead until Randy posted again. There was nothing posted since Jan 2 and that was by you.

Probably would have been better in Whites case to have not done what Mike did and instead have sent Randy a check for what hes owed. That would have sure give em' a little better PR and not brought this matter back to the surface. Randy wasn't posting anything till they had to quote from his thread to him, which they apparently are following.

I have nothing against White at all, its the barrage of attacks from White fanatics that has caused me to become somewhat involved in this matter. White anguist taken to the name calling and attack point over truthfull posts have no place in any ML'er forum.

as Randy points out and you can clearly see from the posts and hits..........it appears far from being "dead"

woods

big6x6 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 18, 2004, 12:35:20 PM »

"White anguist taken to the name calling and attack point over truthfull posts have no place in any ML'er forum."

Well said and I couldn't agree more. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth to the point of probably never owning another White Rifle. The sad thing is, it's not the rifles' fault. Not real sure I want to be a "Dirty White Boy."

Wolfhound · « **Reply #51 on:** January 18, 2004, 12:53:13 PM »

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White anguist taken to the name calling and attack point over truthfull posts have no place in any ML'er forum.

Yeah. That is what has caused me to quit posting at HuntAmerica. I'm just fed up with the personal attacks. It's not just White owners though, it's a few others as well.

bjgolfnut · « **Reply #52 on:** January 18, 2004, 01:31:42 PM »

Hey Woods,

Up until Randy posted on Jan 17, nothing was posted. You made the last post on Jan 2 and that had nothing to do with the subject. The last post pertaining to White was on Dec 26th. Sure it was a popular post, say that any Company is going out of business and everyone will take a peek. Because Randy got a private E-Mail from someone at White was no reason to start it up again. Hopefully White will not go out of business and if the present company does, hopefully who ever starts it up again will do a better job. Just so you know, I own a White but I am not a White anguist(what ever that is). I enjoy reading most of Randys post, he in very knowledgeable and usually very informative but this post was dead and for what ever reason, he elected to bring it back. To bad.

Roger_Dailey · « **Reply #53 on:** January 18, 2004, 02:36:15 PM »

Quote from: RandyWakeman

Folks seem to love information that is the least bit provocative. Far from "dead"-- it is viewed again and again, remains the most popular thread on this forum, and has been ported to others as well.

Hey, I can't keep from looking at a train wreck!

grouse · « **Reply #54 on:** January 18, 2004, 02:41:25 PM »

Quote from: bjgolfnut

Hey Woods,

Up until Randy posted on Jan 17, nothing was posted. You made the last post on Jan 2 and that had nothing to do with the subject. The last post pertaining to White was on Dec 26th. Sure it was a popular post, say that any Company is going out of business and everyone will take a peek. Because Randy got a private E-Mail from someone at White was no reason to start it up again. Hopefully White will not go out of business and if the present company does, hopefully who ever starts it up again will do a better job. Just so you know, I own a White but I am not a White anguist(what ever that is). I enjoy reading most of Randys post, he in very knowledgeable and usually very informative but this post was dead and for what ever reason, he elected to bring it back. To bad.

bjgolfnut,
To bad :roll: Ya it is to bad White can"t pay there bills.
They sold all RW tapes and kept the money. Ya that is bad.

Super 91 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 18, 2004, 02:50:01 PM »

Quote from: woodseye

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It looks like this WAS dead until Randy posted again. There was nothing posted since Jan 2 and that was by you.

Probably would have been better in Whites case to have not done what Mike did and instead have sent Randy a check for what hes owed. That would have sure give em' a little better PR and not brought this matter back to the surface. Randy wasn't posting anything till they had to quote from his thread to him, which they apparently are following.

I have nothing against White at all, its the barrage of attacks from White fanatics that has caused me to become somewhat involved in this matter. White anguist taken to the name calling and attack point over truthfull posts have no place in any ML'er forum.

as Randy points out and you can clearly see from the posts and hits..........it appears far from being "dead"

woods

Woods, There are a lot of guys that shoot Whites and love the guns for what they are. They also do not agree with Whites current state of affairs. I do not speak for anyone but myself, and bashing White owners does nothing for your credibility. If you have been attacked by someone who owns a White, I am truely sorry. I'm sure they do not want to see the company go under and do not like someone insinuating that it is. I love my Whites, and cannot speak for the company stability or security. I do hope they will pull out of this slump. I think they make one of the best conical guns on the market. I happen to like conicals. But I am in no way an anguist.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #56 on:** January 18, 2004, 04:53:38 PM »

Unable to manufacture or ship any .451 White 98's in some seven months-- a fair question would be whether they really are in "business" in any conventional sense.

woodseye · « **Reply #57 on:** January 19, 2004, 12:00:13 AM »

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If you have been attacked by someone who owns a White, I am truely sorry. I'm sure they do not want to see the company go under and do not like someone insinuating that it is.

Super, I have no quarrel with you or any white owner for that matter. That said I've all but quit even going to HA because its turned into a white forum instead of a ML'ing forum of late. Notice that more and more non-white posters are starting to disappear? White owners calling names and telling others to shut up if they dare to talk about anything negative concerning white is over the top for me.

Not bashing.........enough of that goes on with the white owners themselves without anyone needing to add to it (look at the beginning of this thread where some of the "dwb" come over to jump Randy and Wolf for stating contary opinions). If stating truth and facts or even ones own opinions is white or white owner bashing than I would suggest some are far to emotional about a company.........and one that doesn't seem to be following healthy business practices that are being mentioned. I'm not over on the "white" forum posting but if you want to come over here and debate this I guess I'm up to the task.

If you don't want to hear about whites business problems maybe its better on the "white" forum where such things are censored and deleted by Wald. Funny he never does anything much to mod his forums and lets about anything be said or done until its negative white news and than he jumps into mod mode and deletes the post cause its "mean spirited" lol. You guys have a nice forum to talk whites over there and I won't come over and post anything at all to disrupt or spoil such activities............over here all ML'er talk appears to be equal and no ones being attacked en mass for having an opinion.

Funny thing is I know very little about white rifles except what has been picked up by the actions and words of some white owners on the forums and that has been what has formed most of my opinions........... they're not very good at this point. Its easy to defend a company when they haven't just stuck it to you I suppose, wonder how much understanding would be flowing if it was others owed money that was not coming?

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Because Randy got a private E-Mail from someone at White was no reason to start it up again.

I would think Randy is the guy to take that up with instead of me Bruce.

For my 2 cents..........Randy posts more good valuable info on any forum he frequents than any 10 or more other posters. You may not always agree with him (and I don't always) but he adds considerable to any forum and leaves a void on any he leaves. Running him away with post after post (three in a row) of attacks is one forums loss and anothers gain. If you don't like a post he makes.......IGNORE IT! Don't try to kill the messenger because you don't care for the message :wink:

not anti white.........just anti white anguist and pro being able to state your opinion without attack.
woods

Underclocked · « **Reply #58 on:** January 19, 2004, 03:12:24 AM »

Woods, the inference that Don Wald is eliminating posts simply because someone says something negative about White Rifles is baseless. Don is probably the most moderate moderator on earth and will tolerate dern near anything. He seems to be a very decent and nice person.

If that inference were true I would have had many posts deleted long ago. The thread that was deleted at HA most certainly should have been deleted and the reason for that had little, if anything, to do with the original subject. The thread wasn't even started by Randy, instead it was started by Loggy - a staunch supporter and proponent of CVA products.

Seems to me the so-called "dirty White boys" you are referring to would more appropriately be narrowed to two people. One is a guy that has shown aberrent behavior from his first posts at the CVA forums - and after becoming the overly proud and enthusiast owner of a White rifle seems to think he is a company representative. The other is also a new White owner but seems to simply have a dislike of Randy. Disliking Randy isn't that uncommon for folks on these forums but the man seems to hold his own.

And then we have a couple of folks that think it's their duty to flood the forums they visit with posts of little worth, get involved or even take the lead in the bickering that always occurs, and actually have little of substance to add on any subject. They appoint themselves to whatever imaginary position might delight their whimsy, then convince themselves of the worthiness of that bogus position. They are RIGHTEOUS!!

And some just have NO sense of humor.

I'm a White owner, a "dirty White boy" if you will, but not to the point of insanity (I hope).

ps: what the heck is an "anguist"?

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #59 on:** January 19, 2004, 04:03:01 AM »

Well said UC

I've kept my nose out it, but it's a darn shame Randy ain't gettin' paid by White for his videos.

If I know Randy like I think I do, an attorney or two has been sought. In the meantime, his pre-paid advertisements continue at HA. I'm sure his guts are churning as he and a couple of close friends remain absent over there in support of the sad ordeal that's been placed in his lap.

I've always supported Randy in most of his quarrels across muzzle-cyberspaced forums, but until he privately emails me to join him in a boycott of HA or CVA.com, I will continue to post in both places.