More on the Hi-cap mag ban

[bigbird09]

This came across my facebook from the NRA,  good little read if your bored.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/02/14/high-capacity-ammo-clips-for-guns-save-lives

[gypsyman]

It always struck me funny, when some anti gun group wants to push there feel good do nothing law. But, if a law to save lives, like limit cars and trucks to 70-80mph was mentioned, the same folks would scream bloody murder. Don't you dare tell me I can't drive 90mph, when I don't think there is more than one state that allows over 70mph on their highways. How many people are killed every year from speed, but nobody cares about that. gypsyman

[Pat/Rick]

+1 gypsyman. The opposition to Rights is very selective. Imagine the screaming if the First A was limited to the effect that, "it only applies to the Presses Rights", therefore, people can only use their laptops and cell phones for 30 minutes a day, unless they have "Press Credentials".

 The biggest point in principal that most fail to understand is that Constitutional Convention to change things, may not just stop with one amendment. The whole shebang could be open to "reinterpretation".

[SHOOTALL]

OK first I did not read the entire article as it has all been said so many times before . For who cares this is how I see it - The second amd is about protecting our selves, our family, our community , our state and country. To limit number of rounds aval. to do this is like tieing ones hand behind their back to box. Punish those who abuse because the difference in a crazy person with a 30 round mag and 10 round mags is two mag changes nothing more.

[Shu]

Simply put the mag capacity limits do nothing. There is no proof the shooter in Arizona would have killed or maimed less people with a 10 round magazine.
Consider that if a person goes before the judge for robbery or murder the prosecutor is not even going to worry about the capacity of the magazine. It would add what 2 months to a 15 year sentence that will be plea bargained down to 7 years. The magazine capacity arguments are weak at best. There is just no evidence they would limit crime or aid the police in apprehending a criminal. Anyone claiming to have empirical evidence of limiting ammunition in a gun magazine reducing crime is lying.

The shooter in Arizona went into the system 7 times and was plea bargained out. Don't blame the gun, it's the system.

The real number 1 killer is alcohol related deaths, you won't see alcohol banned anytime in our lifetimes. A simple study without spending millions will prove alcohol is involved in more deaths than guns. I guess the truth is just to hard to swallow.

[Spirithawk]

Simply put the mag capacity limits do nothing. There is no proof the shooter in Arizona would have killed or maimed less people with a 10 round magazine.
Consider that if a person goes before the judge for robbery or murder the prosecutor is not even going to worry about the capacity of the magazine. It would add what 2 months to a 15 year sentence that will be plea bargained down to 7 years. The magazine capacity arguments are weak at best. There is just no evidence they would limit crime or aid the police in apprehending a criminal. Anyone claiming to have empirical evidence of limiting ammunition in a gun magazine reducing crime is lying.

The shooter in Arizona went into the system 7 times and was plea bargained out. Don't blame the gun, it's the system.

The real number 1 killer is alcohol related deaths, you won't see alcohol banned anytime in our lifetimes. A simple study without spending millions will prove alcohol is involved in more deaths than guns. I guess the truth is just to hard to swallow.

I totally agree. What differance does it make how many rounds a magazine holds when it just takes a second to pop in another? What's needed is stiffer penalties for those that use a firearm to commit a crime. It drives me crazy when I hear on the news that a guy gets 6 years for murder or a guy with multiple arrests is let right back out on the street to do it all again! Instead of limiting firearms, how about limiting mamby pamby judges?

[aglass1987]

It always struck me funny, when some anti gun group wants to push there feel good do nothing law. But, if a law to save lives, like limit cars and trucks to 70-80mph was mentioned, the same folks would scream bloody murder. Don't you dare tell me I can't drive 90mph, when I don't think there is more than one state that allows over 70mph on their highways. How many people are killed every year from speed, but nobody cares about that. gypsyman

+1

[bigbird09]

I totally agree. What differance does it make how many rounds a magazine holds when it just takes a second to pop in another? What's needed is stiffer penalties for those that use a firearm to commit a crime. It drives me crazy when I hear on the news that a guy gets 6 years for murder or a guy with multiple arrests is let right back out on the street to do it all again! Instead of limiting firearms, how about limiting mamby pamby judges?

+1

Honestly I think our system is to weak, and is brought down even more by judges that are "too kind"  If the evidence is there he should get the full term,not some BS plea bargain or reduced term.

[Spirithawk]

I guess I'm old school Cherokee in that I believe that if someone takes a life then that person's life is owed to the family of the victom.  Think about it. A person murdered is forever dead. They enjoy not even the simplest pleasure ever again. Sooo, how is it just for the killer to go on enjoying meals, entertainment, and countless pleasures the victom can't? It's even a bigger slap in the face when the killer recieves a rediculously short sentence, or regardless of sentence, is back out on the street in just a couple years. Murderers, that are proven so beyond any doubt, should be taken from the courtroom and imediately executed! No more enjoying life that their victoms can't and no exspense of feeding, clothing nor housing them and no worrying if they are rehabilitated when you know in your heart and brain that they're not! Imagine both the money and inocent lives saved if that were the case. Plus, they not only should be executed but they shoud be executed in public! Would be criminals might just have a change of heart if they both knew and saw what awaits them!

[bigbird09]

I'm all for bringing back public hangings, unfortunetly there are to many goody two shoers anymore.

[Pat/Rick]

Executions on pay per view, with the proceeds going to the victims family.

  Forget Hi cap mags.   I want belt fed. Sure would of been fun if the army would've let me kep my M-60. And a few LAWs rockets, and frags, and claymores, and a couple of deuce and a halfs of 7.62, and............... MMMMMmmmmmmmm nirvana.

[blind ear]

bigbird69:  bring back hangings, +1

Also burning at the stake for white collar crimes of insider tradeing, bank fraud etc, not just for the criminal, but also for the regulatory persons that should have stopped the crime if they can be proven to be at fault.

China has executed several public officials in recent years that failed to protect the public interest, the milk contamination scandle was one I think. Another had to do with exported toys with lead paint I believe.

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[SHOOTALL]

bigbird69:  bring back hangings, +1

Also burning at the stake for white collar crimes of insider tradeing, bank fraud etc, not just for the criminal, but also for the regulatory persons that should have stopped the crime if they can be proven to be at fault.

China has executed several public officials in recent years that failed to protect the public interest, the milk contamination scandle was one I think. Another had to do with exported toys with lead paint I believe.

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I hope we do better than China the guy with the paint had used what American companies had ask for in the contract.

[Shu]

 Instead of limiting firearms, how about limiting mamby pamby judges?
(quote from Spirithawk)

I think that would be great 2 mamby pamby judges per state. Instead of 200 or more.

 The crime rate would drop significantly if under penalty of law did not mean under reward of law.

[Pat/Rick]

STOP Plea Bargains. Stop the defenders from using "the poor boy, victim of society crap". The judges should be slamming the gavel when that crap is brought up and shout "Inadmissable testimony"!!