Author Topic: WMD Lies (Read 6702 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #30 on:** February 20, 2011, 12:41:07 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on February 18, 2011, 11:36:56 AM

Quote from: Gary G on February 18, 2011, 11:02:44 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29

It was based on lies.
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Gee..it seemed like the Germans figured it out easy enough....and didn't go along with the deal. Powell must have figured it out, went along with the attack Plan, then resigned in a hurry...got out of Dodge...now setting record straight..."It wasn't me...it was those two guys". Then again he could have really got hoodwinked and is now pi$$ed off.

..TM7
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Yes TM;
We realize that you think the Germans are superior to other folks..as Hitler called them "ubermensch" (supermen); and you think they are so much smarter than the rest of the "peons" in the world. Is it possible the Germans refrained from contributing for homegrown political reasons ? ...You bet your bippy it they did !
In any case, here are a couple dozen nations not as clever as the 'ubermensch', and who figured Saddam & sons to be dangerous....
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm

Gary G;
Jefferson didn't sic the Marines on the Somali pirates (off the east coast of Africa, sub-Saharan blacks) .. he sent the Marines to kick the butts of the Barbary pirates (Off the north coast of Africa..Mediterranean coast Arabs) ....And kick butt they did !
There is an interesting parallel between Jefferson scaring the bejabbers out of the Barbary pirates, and Reagan scaring the bejabbers out of Col Khadaffi..200 years later..roughly the same area also !

magooch · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:20:11 AM »

Why not make that the "Bush, Cheney, Obama agenda. Aren't we still fighting the terrorists and those who aided and/or gave sanctuary to those who were behind the 9-11 attacks?

Gary G · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2011, 08:29:05 AM »

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Gary G;
Jefferson didn't sic the Marines on the Somali pirates (off the east coast of Africa, sub-Saharan blacks) .. he sent the Marines to kick the butts of the Barbary pirates (Off the north coast of Africa..Mediterranean coast Arabs) ....And kick butt they did !

Dang Ironglow, I'm not that stupid. I said they (Tripoli) were playing (like) Somali pirates (do in this day).

Tell me how you are able to read TM7's mind? That would be a most omnipotent attribute.

Casull · « **Reply #33 on:** February 21, 2011, 08:50:40 AM »

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Tell me how you are able to read TM7's mind? That would be a most omnipotent attribute.

Reading it is not the hard part, understanding it is.

ironglow · « **Reply #34 on:** February 21, 2011, 10:19:16 AM »

I read "The Communist Manifesto", "Mein Kampf" ... and parts of the Koran....

TM;
I lived in Germany for 2.5 years and I have no problem with the modern German people. The only ones I ever had issues with, were those very few who still cling to the old "Mein Kampf" .."Ubermensch" dialectic..

Casull · « **Reply #35 on:** February 21, 2011, 12:08:19 PM »

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Had Curveball not even existed we still would have gone to war because George W Bush and Dick Cheney were determined to do so,’ he said.

Duh!!!! Did you really think that the decision was based on one person's story? Sheesh.

ironglow · « **Reply #36 on:** February 21, 2011, 01:35:34 PM »

TM said;

"I see. That's great...good for you! But what that has to do with what we're discussing is unknown. What we're discussing is Bush/Cheney hoodwinking Gen Powell...using his good reputation to sell a bogus war they wanted".

Ironglow says;
Rather what we are discussing is how some folks are sucked in and hoodwinked by a few radical books & websites written and produced by frustrated malcontents.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #37 on:** February 21, 2011, 02:29:36 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on February 21, 2011, 01:35:34 PM

Ironglow says;
Rather what we are discussing is how some folks are sucked in and hoodwinked by a few radical books & websites written and produced by frustrated malcontents.

Ironglow! What non-radical, books and websites do you recommend? I sure don't want to get false information by a bunch of Frustrated malcontents $:-\$

ironglow · « **Reply #38 on:** February 21, 2011, 03:17:33 PM »

Virtually any source which you and TM would refer to as hateful, racist, neo-con or NWO.

ironglow · « **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2011, 04:17:08 AM »

Gary G · « **Reply #40 on:** February 22, 2011, 09:40:21 AM »

Margolis on the subject in question:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis228.html

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:28:46 AM »

Quote from: Gary G on February 22, 2011, 09:40:21 AM

Margolis on the subject in question:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis228.html

Why is it;
those who doggedly follow Lew Rockwell are continually coming up with new conspiracy theories and crackpot ideas ?
Why continually quote Lew Rockwell..you may do better quoting Lou Costello...like; "who's on first"?

As far as Margolis..he is also a regular contributor to the New York Times, "Dawn" a Pakistani newspaper. "Gulf times" in Quatar .and "Khalij Times" in Dubai... so I suppose we would get "fair & balanced" reports..yeah, right !
He does appear on Fox now & then, but Fox really is "fair & balanced"..so they may have such diversity as the victory mosque sponsor, Rev Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Mommar Khadafi, B. Hussein Obama or a Klan leader on their news channel.
.. But with Margolis..don't pee on my leg..... and then try to tell me it's raining !

ironglow · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2011, 07:51:44 AM »

Uh..huh !

What Rockwell and Margolis say.....

gypsyman · « **Reply #43 on:** February 23, 2011, 10:20:32 AM »

Fact 1-Long before Bush was president, Clinton had reports of WMD's. He hit an asprin factory, which I can't blame him for, as I'm sure that he wasn't the one that set the co-ordinants on the missle.
Fact 2-Saddam would be alive today, if he would had let UN inspectors in to survey and report.
Fact 3- 9-11 happened. Bush decided to do something, instead of sitting around with a thumb up his butt, possibly having another attack.
gypsyman

Gary G · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2011, 12:58:09 PM »

Perhaps Saddam was hung because the establishment couldn't have someone spouting the truth.

If the reason was 9-11 retaliation, perhaps Saudi Arabia should have been targeted. That is where the perpetrators originated.

If the reason was oil, then we have made a mess of it.

If the reason was empire, then it was true that Saddam would not bow down. But neither would Iran or N. Korea.

The establishment needs boogermen to keep the sheeple under control.

The military industrial complex needs wars. Blow up the missiles and then make some more.

Just food for thought.

ironglow · « **Reply #45 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:29:06 PM »

Perhaps you guys ought to listen to Hillary Clinton address the US senate on Oct 10, 2002;

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eab_1201152136

ironglow · « **Reply #46 on:** February 23, 2011, 01:40:22 PM »

So why don't we hear the Democrats say..Bill Clinton lied ? Here in this video from 1998 see Bill Clinton explain clearly (at about the 3 minute mark) that Saddam definitely has WMD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs
Why hasn't Clinton himself come out and defended bush saying, " I was also convinced of that fact" ? ...Not man enough ?

subdjoe · « **Reply #47 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:09:19 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on February 23, 2011, 01:40:22 PM

So why don't we hear the Democrats say..Bill Clinton lied ? Here in this video from 1998 see Bill Clinton explain clearly (at about the 3 minute mark) that Saddam definitely has WMD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs
Why hasn't Clinton himself come out and defended bush saying, " I was also convinced of that fact" ? ...Not man enough ?

No, she isn't.

subdjoe · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:12:15 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on February 23, 2011, 01:29:06 PM

Perhaps you guys ought to listen to Hillary Clinton address the US senate on Oct 10, 2002;

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eab_1201152136

Yeah, but she didn't mean it. Just as none of the Dems. meant it when they voted for war. "Oh! We didn't know that Pres. Bush would actually GO to war! We thought it was just symbolic!"

ironglow · « **Reply #49 on:** February 23, 2011, 02:46:42 PM »

Here's a whole host of Democrats, most as late as 2002... all saying that Saddam (the other Hussein) has WMD !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts&feature=fvwrel

Now, Democrats and their ilk are saying "Bush lied about WMD". Quite obviously, if Bush lied about WMD, then a whole host of Democrats also lied about the WMD.
Where are these Democrats now, why aren't they man (or woman) enough to admit they were saying the same thing ? So far, only Geworge Bush is man enough and honest enough to admit he did say such a thing !

Anyone who says Bush lied about Saddam Hussein having WMD,..... if they wish to retain any credibility whatsoever, should also add.. "so too were Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Sandy Burglar, Teddy Kennedy, Madeline Albright, Nancy Pelosi and Sen Jay Rockerfeller.... also lying about WMD" .

Fact is in this instance, I believe they were all telling the truth..

Gary G · « **Reply #50 on:** February 23, 2011, 04:09:51 PM »

Its because:
All republicrats lie some of the time and some republicrats lie all of the time. And some people believe them. They depend on that to stay in power. A republicrats first priority is to get elected and their next and highest priority is to stay in power. Nothing else matters.

ironglow · « **Reply #51 on:** February 24, 2011, 03:33:11 PM »

TM:
It is my understanding that the 9/11 murders have been investigated several times by several different groups...
Just because they didn't come out reinforcing your pre-drawn conclusions... Oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles !

Casull · « **Reply #52 on:** February 24, 2011, 05:57:28 PM »

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purge the psychopaths.

Careful what you wish for.

gypsyman · « **Reply #53 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:56:13 AM »

I know why I oppose one. Why waste the taxpayers money!! Several independent organizations have all come to the same conclusion, interviewing structural engineers, demolition experts, arson specialists. So many have concurred with the outcome that is so obvious. It's like telling a lie. Do it so many times, and all of a sudden, it's the truth. Keep pushing and prodding and pretty soon somebody will come up with something, even if it's a lie. gypsyman

subdjoe · « **Reply #54 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:36:26 AM »

In U.S.-Libya Nuclear Deal, a Qaddafi Threat Faded Away

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But Colonel Qaddafi appeared to sense that loss of leverage over the last two years. The cables indicate a last-minute effort to hold on to the remnants of the program, less to assure his government’s survival than to have some bargaining chips to get the weapons and aid that Colonel Qaddafi and his son insisted they were promised.

The cache of nuclear technology that Libya turned over to the United States, Britain and international nuclear inspectors in early 2004 was large — far larger than American intelligence experts had expected. There were more than 4,000 centrifuges for producing enriched uranium. There were blueprints for how to build a nuclear bomb — missing some critical components but good enough to get the work started

Have to wonder if the amount in excess of expectations is about equal to the amount not found in Iraq.

ironglow · « **Reply #55 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:55:50 AM »

Quote from: subdjoe on March 03, 2011, 04:36:26 AM

In U.S.-Libya Nuclear Deal, a Qaddafi Threat Faded Away

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But Colonel Qaddafi appeared to sense that loss of leverage over the last two years. The cables indicate a last-minute effort to hold on to the remnants of the program, less to assure his government’s survival than to have some bargaining chips to get the weapons and aid that Colonel Qaddafi and his son insisted they were promised.

The cache of nuclear technology that Libya turned over to the United States, Britain and international nuclear inspectors in early 2004 was large — far larger than American intelligence experts had expected. There were more than 4,000 centrifuges for producing enriched uranium. There were blueprints for how to build a nuclear bomb — missing some critical components but good enough to get the work started

Have to wonder if the amount in excess of expectations is about equal to the amount not found in Iraq.

Subdj;
Remember the 90s, when the liberals gutted the CIA..then Clinton decided agents "in country" were not needed anyway, since the job could be done by satellites ?
Well, sadly we learned later, that satellites couldn't detect WMD headed out of Iraq and into Syria...hidden in tanker trucks, under loads of watermelons and chicken crates..

magooch · « **Reply #56 on:** March 04, 2011, 03:10:19 AM »

I've got an idea; let's beat this dead horse to death.

Gary G · « **Reply #57 on:** March 04, 2011, 03:16:46 PM »

Rumsfeld was on Freedom Watch tonight. The Judge pressed him, "should you have attacked Iraq at the time if you had known there were no WMD"? Rumsfeld answered: yes, that just because they didn't have them, didn't mean that they could not have developed them very quickly.

The issue is settled!

Gary G · « **Reply #58 on:** March 04, 2011, 03:23:08 PM »

War works like this:

Lives are traded for dollars.
The dollars create millionaires.
The people pay for the wars and do not get the dollars.
Propaganda and lies are necessary to convince the people that it is a just war. (i.e. WMD)
A favorite slogan is "fighting for our freedom". The last few wars have had nothing to do with freedom in America.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #59 on:** March 05, 2011, 06:14:21 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 05, 2011, 02:34:06 AM

Quote from: Gary G on March 04, 2011, 03:23:08 PM
War works like this:

Lives are traded for dollars.
The dollars create millionaires.
The people pay for the wars and do not get the dollars.
Propaganda and lies are necessary to convince the people that it is a just war. (i.e. WMD)
A favorite slogan is "fighting for our freedom". The last few wars have had nothing to do with freedom in America.

That's about the size of it- -a security racket in essence; plus a whole lot of hoodwinking of the citizens to buy into this stuff; maybe throw in a terrorist attack or two, and some religious distortion is always good, too. Then when a few citizens say, "wait a minute...what the heck is going on here?" ....we get the anti rhetoric and other BS spin...plus a huge memory hole to pull facts and figures out of....a total system of hypocrisy.

..TM7
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And it works!! Always has and always will.The majority are easily hoodwinked, and the minority are nothing to worry about. The majority will take care of them

This logic works........It's proven every election year. The old......I'm a Republican, and I stand for smaller government. I'm a Democrat and I stand for the poor working man, and the minorities. (Yea Right)