Author Topic: Democratic senators bail ship (Read 60471 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #510 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:01:06 AM »

"The path up and down are one and the same". Heaclitus 504 BC

At one time the industrial power barons held great power and they abused it..so they lost it !

To correct the abuses of the power barons, the unions were formed..they grew strong, abused their power; now they lose it!

..Such are the vicissitudes of life..

powderman · « **Reply #511 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:03:03 AM »

DEE. Good posts Sir, I agree. POWDERMAN.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #512 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:04:09 AM »

A few Wisconsin public employee facts......
Sucking the system dry and about to have the rug pulled out from under them- no wonder the whining

TEACHERS:

Milwaukee $86,297
Elmbrook $91,065
Germantown $83,818
Hartland Arrwhd $90,285 (highest teacher was $122,952-lowest was $64,942)
Men Falls $81,099
West Bend $82,153
Waukesha $92,902
Sussex $82,956
Mequon $95,297
Kettle Mor $87,676
Muskego $91,341

STAFF:

Arrowhead - Bus Mng - Kopecky - $169,525
Arrowhead - Principal - Wieczorek - $152,519
Grmtwn - Asst Princ - Dave Towers - $123,222
Elmbrk - Burliegh Elemetary - Principal Zahn- $142,315 (for a primary school!!)
Madison - Asst Principal - McGrath - $127,835

UNIVERSITY of WISCONSIN STAFF (2009) (salary alone):

Michael Knetter - Prof of Bus - $327,828
Carolyn Martin -Chancellor Mad- $437,000
Hector Deluca - Prof of Nutritional Science - $254,877 (really??)

(source:Madison.com -as the UW removed salaries from being posted online in 2007- why if they are so low?)

How about some other "public servant job"

What do they make?

Madison Garbage men (2009) (salary only):

Garbage man, Mr. Nelson earned $159,258 in 2009, including $109,892 in overtime and other pay.
Garbageman, Greg Tatman, who earned $125,598
7 Madison garbage men made over $100,000
30 Madison garbage men made over $70,000

MILWAUKEE CITY BUS DRIVERS (salary only):

136 Drivers made more than $70,000
54 Drivers made more than $80,000
18 Drivers made more than $90,000
8 Drivers made more than $100,000
Top Driver made $117,000
(Source WTMJ)

(The average private bus driver makes $9-13 an hour (about 20,000 yr) with no pension, or healthcare.)

AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE PAYING 100% OF THEIR GENEROUS RETIREMENT ? THEY HAVE SHUT DOWN SCHOOLS AS THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY 5.8% OF IT THEMSELVES ....REALLY?

Dee · « **Reply #513 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:15:10 AM »

Boy Dixie Dude. I thing you hit that one over the fence. What are we ever gonna do with those facts? Wait! I know! We can ignore them.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #514 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:15:59 AM »

Seems to be some differences here.

Below are average annual earnings for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state: (4)

* Green Bay: $55,110
* Kenosha: $68,400
* Madison: $50,770
* Milwaukee: $54,620
* Racine: $49,710

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #515 on:** March 08, 2011, 06:24:06 AM »

As the record shows, this was from 2007 figures. I think this includes insurance and benefits plus salaries.

powderman · « **Reply #516 on:** March 08, 2011, 07:10:41 AM »

DIXIE DUDE. WOW. I am shocked. Our garbage in this county is picked up by jail inmates weekly. POWDERMAN.

Buckskin · « **Reply #517 on:** March 08, 2011, 07:38:30 AM »

« Reply #545 on: Today at 06:41:18 AM »QuoteTNel et al.......

A}...if a candidate ran a campaign in stealth mode, deliberately misrepresented his agenda and then revealed a reactionary and extremist agenda that would be harmful to the people of a state, would certain representatives be within their rights to withdraw from participation in this process in legal protest..??

Do you mean how ZerObama ran on shutting down Guantanamo and now is resuming military trials there??
Or when he said he was going to get rid of the Bush tax cuts?
Or that he is now thinking of all things, drilling for our oil???

Man, thats got to frost your liberal cookies....

Cabin4 · « **Reply #518 on:** March 08, 2011, 07:52:11 AM »

If misrepresenting campaign assertions and promises would result in removal from office, obama would have been gone long ago.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #519 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:39:27 AM »

Quote from: guzzijohn on March 08, 2011, 06:15:59 AM

Seems to be some differences here.

Below are average annual earnings for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state: (4)

* Green Bay: $55,110
* Kenosha: $68,400
* Madison: $50,770
* Milwaukee: $54,620
* Racine: $49,710

The average salary for an Milwakee teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/

Buckskin · « **Reply #520 on:** March 08, 2011, 08:56:25 AM »

The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor.
-Ronald Reagan

I would put us more at about 40% (hopefully), but I know people who I consider friends who agree with me less...

XD40SC · « **Reply #521 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:21:28 AM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on March 08, 2011, 08:39:27 AM

Quote from: guzzijohn on March 08, 2011, 06:15:59 AM
Seems to be some differences here.

Below are average annual earnings for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state: (4)

* Green Bay: $55,110
* Kenosha: $68,400
* Madison: $50,770
* Milwaukee: $54,620
* Racine: $49,710

The average salary for an Milwakee teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/

guzzijohn · « **Reply #522 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:38:35 AM »

If the above is fact I have to admit Wisconsin teacher benefits are fantastic! Not close to that in the midwest.
GuzziJohn

Buckskin · « **Reply #523 on:** March 08, 2011, 10:32:46 AM »

Last time I checked Wisconsin is in the Midwest.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #524 on:** March 08, 2011, 10:37:50 AM »

Us hicks in Kansas consider WI to be NE! Technically you are probably correct.
GuzziJohn

Cabin4 · « **Reply #525 on:** March 08, 2011, 10:44:31 AM »

Defiantly not the Northeast. Upper Midwest.

Buckskin · « **Reply #526 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:22:56 AM »

Kansas??? Isn't that bordered by Mexico???

XD40SC · « **Reply #527 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:31:18 AM »

Quote from: Buckskin on March 08, 2011, 11:22:56 AM

Kansas??? Isn't that bordered by Mexico???

ASK DOROTHY

Cabin4 · « **Reply #528 on:** March 08, 2011, 12:59:55 PM »

I thought Kansas bordered on Samoa.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #529 on:** March 08, 2011, 01:07:58 PM »

Quote from: Buckskin on March 08, 2011, 10:32:46 AM

Last time I checked Wisconsin is in the Midwest.

LOL! You know how it is Buckskin! Libs. see things in a different light.Perhaps they just need to turn the light on

XD40SC · « **Reply #530 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:48:54 PM »

If Libs is short for liberal; than is Cons short for conservatives?? I can just hear the jokes. How many cons does it take to change a lightbulb ?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #531 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:50:37 PM »

Well, at least some have given up on the rediculous claims that Wisconsion really does not have a budget problem. That one was getting into the Twilight Zone.

ironglow · « **Reply #532 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:57:38 PM »

Quote from: XD40SC on March 08, 2011, 02:48:54 PM

If Libs is short for liberal; than is Cons short for conservatives?? I can just hear the jokes. How many cons does it take to change a lightbulb ?

We don't have to change a light bulb..all we have to do is begin to replace it with an incandescent bulb..and the liberal Al Gore Kool-aid sippers will jump up and screw in one of those Chinese-wonder bulbs..

...That is if they can figure out how to turn an overhead, right hand thread !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #533 on:** March 08, 2011, 04:38:24 PM »

Parasites beware it is spreading your blood sucking days are numbered.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110308/ap_on_re_us/us_benefit_envy#mwpphu-container

XD40SC · « **Reply #534 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:01:32 PM »

I thought you'd say -None. Cons don't like change.

ironglow · « **Reply #535 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:47:36 PM »

Not quite true XD.. We don't care for change that is simply for the sake of changing..too often the baby is thrown out with the bath water.
Examples of Libbie Kool-aid sipper's changes..
1) Changing food production for Ethanol production.
2) Changing the Shah for the Ayatollahs.
3) Changing the US made incandescent bulbs for Chinese toxic ones.
4) Changing reading instructions from phonics to "guess at it".
5) Change the best medical system in the world to "Obamacare".
6) Changing GM & Chrysler to government patsies.
7) Changing acts of terror...into "man made disasters".

Changing our military to a pervert's haven.
9) Changing the regular, weekly US capitol prayer services from Christian to Muslim.
10) Changing our sovereign super-power into a minor member of the "global village".

Do you need a few more examples of the wonderful "changes" wrought by the liberal, whining "sippers" ? Yes ! If you insist on calling us "cons" we should call you guys "sippers"....because we're not the ones being conned..

BTW: I just bet there are some here who could add to the list of the glorious "changes" the Liberal sippers have given us !

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #536 on:** March 09, 2011, 01:18:42 AM »

More on Liberals:

They don't want us to drill our own oil, offshore, Alaska, out west.

They are opposed to nuclear power plants.

They are opposed to using natural gas in fleet vehicles (cuts 40% of imports).

They are opposed to making synthetic oil from coal (800 year supply in US).

They want us to keep killing unborn babies. (Even Europe has outlawed abortions after 5 months).

Just in the energy area alone, we could create lots of new jobs. Good paying ones too that provide benefits like healthcare.

ironglow · « **Reply #537 on:** March 09, 2011, 01:29:35 AM »

...But Dixie Dude;
If they allowed those things..that would tend to keep the United States free, prosperous, independent and self-sufficient !
The sippers can't have that !

Buckskin · « **Reply #538 on:** March 09, 2011, 02:42:19 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 09, 2011, 01:53:21 AM

Quote from: Buckskin on March 08, 2011, 07:38:30 AM
« Reply #545 on: Today at 06:41:18 AM »QuoteTNel et al.......

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fyi..I didn't vote for Obama...I voted for RP...I never vote for either wing of The Party...and if it is somebody I don't like I just don't vote.

Well that is refreshing, although suprising. You are right in line with a lot of Obama thinking. Hate business/love unions (he's in it for the money) the only protected class in the country...

BTW, In the world of statistics averages, high's and lows, don't mean all that much till we look at 'means' and 'fields' of data. Incidently, do you have the wages for Un of Wisconsin football coaching staff..??

I think Bielema makes about 2 million. Although the football program brings in enough money to cover all coaching salary it covers most all UW sports and then some. If every teacher provided some payback (like teaching our kids) it wouldn't be an issue...

Scot Walker ran as a stealth candidate, too....he never would have gotten elected if he had detailed his attack on working class folks and exactly what he was going to do and his uncompromising positions. Seems as if more Repubs are abandoning their extremeist rhetoric and Scot....Scot has a problem now of his own creation....creating a budget problem scenario, giving elite tax breaks, failure to look at the entire Wisconsin fiduciary outlook, failure to compromise, failure to look at viable alternatives--such as looking at CAFR, taxing appropriately, starting a State Bank, holding off on tax cuts....HE MUST CONSIDER CAFR AS IF IT IS HIS OWN MONEY...

Scott has no problem. The donkeys are expected to be walking into the capital with their tails docked and lead in on halter...

Working class people are figuring this stuff out....crap and BS roll down hill...what goes around comes around...If I was a working stiff in Wisconsin, private or public, I'd be mighty concerned at Walker's "race to the bottom" policies and attack on labor, full knowing this catches on in the private sector, and so ultimately degrades all working class anywhere....ultimately resulting in even less tax revenues and more wealth consolidation and less consumerism...basically creating a 3rd world country, or certainly going in that direction. ....turning Wisconsin into a WalMart state.

We will see, I expect the revenues to increase, jobs to be created (happening already) and many states to follow suit...

TM7

Buckskin · « **Reply #539 on:** March 09, 2011, 02:54:50 AM »

Walker is easily the most polarizing, measured by the gap between how Democratic and Republican voters view his performance. In PPP's poll of Wisconsin voters Feb. 24-27, Walker had an approval rating of 86% among Republicans and 8% among Democrats, for a partisan approval gap of 78 points.

From the MJS this morning.

I could not be happier with these numbers!!!