Author Topic: 2 stage trigger for a Finnfire Hunter? (Read 1907 times)

longgun · « **on:** December 20, 2003, 11:18:40 PM »

I was talking to one of my shooting buddies a couple of weeks ago. He is using a Anschutz 1700 FWT. He was telling me that he was able to buy a few parts for his trigger that converted it from a single stage to a wonderful 2 stage trigger. The first stage was about 1.5 #'s and then the second stage was only about .5#'s. The real nice thing was the parts only cost him less than $30. I can't let him get an advantage over me so do you know anyone who is making a two stage trigger for the Finnfier. Or perhaps does anyone know how to convert the Finnfire to accept the 1700 trigger group? I know this is more equipment race, but I sure would like to find a trigger with specs like this. Don

Heikki in FIN · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:03:16 AM »

I have seen one Finnfire with Ancshütz 54 Match trigger. I don't know how it was done, perhaps it used some kind assembly part like Jewell used in Finnfire trigger. It was great when I tested it.

Heikki

drags · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2003, 05:41:54 AM »

Hi Longgun
I have a 1710 Anschutz and would like to have my trigger done this way. Do you know where I can get the trigger parts or who is doing this trigger work? I would prefer to have someone with experience with anschutz triggers do this work. If I understand you this trigger would be legal for hunter and standard because it would lift 2lbs. with the two stage but when you took up the first stage then you would have a half pound trigger.
Thanks Joe

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2003, 08:49:30 AM »

Drags You can purchase an entire drop in Anschutz trigger from Champions Choice. But you may be misunderstanding what this trigger does. You can get the heaviest part of the take-up on the first stage then only a small additional amount on the second stage. The full amount still must add up two at least 2 lbs. I have 3 of these triggers in 1712 FWT's all set for 1 lb. 14 oz. on the 1st stage and 3 more ozs. on the 2nd stage. These triggers are excellent and they even allow you to slide the triger forward or back to set the length of pull to your preference. ...............Steve Moore at 10 Rings Service also does this service to the single stage type trigger I believe. This Trigger is legal for Hunter or Standard class as it does fit the existing rules. Bill R

drags · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:08:39 AM »

Hi Hornet
If i understand your trigger setup the total weight of your trigger is 2lbs. 1ounce and will lift a 2lb. weight without breaking,after you take up the 1lb. 14ounce 1st stage what you have is a 3ounce trigger. Can Steve Moore convert my existing trigger on my 1710 Anschutz to this set up?
Thanks Joe

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2003, 11:10:24 AM »

Hi Drags, First Let me try to make myself clear on the trigger. Once you take up the first stage you will still be holding the first stage weight. But the advantage is You have a stop point at the beginning of the second stage to let you know that an additional amount of pressure will now break the trigger. You will still be pulling the entire weight on the second stage But you have gained the advantage of knowing when and how much more pressure by using the 2 stage trigger. I switched to this Because I lost to many animals trying to preload my single stage trigger with my finger and sometimes getting a little to heavy on the preload. I purchased the whole trigger from Champions Choice because If I ever want to go back to the single stage I can in a matter of minutes. To answer you other question yes Steve Moore did tell me he could also turn the trigger into a two stage trigger. I also use his maintenance oil kit on my triggers and it is amazing. I couldn't quite get the last bit of creep out of my triggers until I cleaned out the factory Moly grease and used his oils. Steve is also a Anschutz Factory authorized repair facility. He is a straight forward good guy. I trust him and have been recommended to him by others that I trust. He has a good reputation. Bill R

drags · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2003, 11:47:33 AM »

Hi Hornet
Do you know if the trigger you get from champion shooters is the same one on the 54MS? Do you shoot your 1710 in both hunter and standard? Do you think this two stage set up is as good as a single stage trigger set up for say three ounces? Also I wonder if you could buy a jewell for a rem. 700 action and have it set up for two stage so you could shoot it in highpower and shoot it in hunter and standard?
thanks Joe

longgun · « **Reply #7 on:** December 21, 2003, 03:01:27 PM »

Drags, you can get the parts from a co called ISS in Ft. Worth Texas the phone number is
817 595-2090.
The person's name is Neas Stepp, Don

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:23:40 PM »

Hi Joe, The trigger is not the same as the 54 MS trigger it is however the exact same body as the one in the 1710 or 1712. I did use my 1712 FWT in Both Standard and hunter for a few months until I bought a Heavy gun 54.18 MSR in a McMillan Tan & Green stock from Champions Choice. Oh these triggers I bought are from Champions Choice not from Champions Shooters! At the time Homer at Champions Choice was the only one in the country to have any of the triggers and I bought 3 as soon as they cleared customs. Homer is a great guy to deal with. I've bought 4 guns from him this year. ..................... Jewell used to make a two stage trigger for the Rem 700 but doesn't any more. I think it is an excellent idea if you like 2 stage triggers...much better than installing the brilley carrier and the anschutz trigger into a rem, due to the area that has to be cleared from the one bolt pillar. The problem now is to find one of the Jewelll 2 stage triggers. Every once in awhile they will show up on Ebay. I'm hoping Jewell will start making them again. Bill R

drags · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2003, 03:37:58 AM »

Hi Hornet
Does Champion Choice have a website?

Hi Longgun thanks for the information.
Joe

nomad · « **Reply #10 on:** December 22, 2003, 04:44:19 AM »

Hornet,

When were you able to get the triggers from Champion's and have you had them long enough to determine whether they have improved your average?

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 22, 2003, 11:51:58 AM »

Drags The Champions choice website is www.champchoice.com. .........Nomad I bought the triggers in the last week in September. Yup the did help me. I started shooting Rifle Silh in July. I was single A and AA at the Nationals By the end of October I am Master in Hunter and AAA in Heavy gun. Now I do practice a bit and I do have 10 years of experience in Pistol Silhouette( IHMSA), with a few championships and records there. So It wasn't like I was brand new to shooting. But switching to the rifle sure did feel like I didn't know what the hell I was doing for a long time.
I do believe that those individuals that either already like 2 stage triggers or are willing to learn will definitely be at an advantage to use this trigger. Bill R

drags · « **Reply #12 on:** December 22, 2003, 12:05:49 PM »

Hi Hornet
I clicked on the champion website and nothing came up, is it the correct address?
Thanks Joe

nomad · « **Reply #13 on:** December 22, 2003, 12:18:32 PM »

Hornet,
Mny thx.
Even for someone with your background, going from A/AA to M/AAA in one month just by switching triggers is quite a feat!
It'll be interesting to see what kind of across-the-board changes these foster in hunter...

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 22, 2003, 03:49:18 PM »

Drags you are right the site isn't working now. I was just on it the other day. Here is the phone number ...1-800-345-7179...they are in Laverne TN. Ask for Homer Pearson. They are open from 8 -12 and 1-5 pm Mon - Fri. The trigger is not a catalog item as it is brand new half way through the year I believe. Tell him you want the 2 stage hunter trigger for the 1712 FWT. .......................... Nomad You misunderstood what I wrote. The trigger all though it helped me, I didn't move up quite that quickly. It took me 3 months to make Master with the Hunter. But I got the trigger while I was still AAA and I beleive it did help me but I am not sure if it would not have been a natural progression for me. I know that I like this trigger better, and before it, I didn't like 2 stage triggers. But being able to take up most of the weight on the first stage really does help. The triggers are adjustable thru a pretty wide range also. Bill R

drags · « **Reply #15 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:08:13 AM »

Hi Bill
Thanks for the information.
Joe

dave imas · « **Reply #16 on:** December 23, 2003, 09:31:12 PM »

okay... so help an ignorant old fool out here...
the single stage and two stage trigger accomplish the same thing. actuate the firing mechanism. they both require 2lb pull to accomplish this. the first stage of the two stage trigger allows the shooter to pre-load the trigger to whatever weight it is set and then break the trigger with the remainiing required weight. to accomplish this, typically, a two stage trigger has a more complex mechanism, more levers, and so is slower to release the firing pin. slower lock time. because of the 2lb requirement, pre-loading the single stage trigger is relatively easy. it isn't going to go off when you touch it. a well designed single stage trigger usually has a single lever and a faster lock time.

so are we saying that we are willing to sacrifice a bit of lock time because we are not able to consistently, effectively, pre-load a single stage trigger?
do we think that a two stage trigger is going to save us if we don't have well founded and practiced trigger technique? HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD!!!!! ARE DOGS AND CATS NOW LIVING TOGETHER!?!?!?!?!?!?

for those of you who think i am just asking these questions because i shoot a finnfire and there is no two stage trigger available for it... i got one thing to say to you. bite me. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, but bite me anyway.

happy holidays folks. be safe.
dave

ajj · « **Reply #17 on:** December 24, 2003, 03:19:28 AM »

Dave: I'm holding my sides. I think I can type now.
I'm afraid you are exactly right, at least in my case. I am, indeed, looking for a mechanical solution to a training problem. When we less accomplished shooters try a two-stage the reaction is :"Wow, this is what I need." But in practice I'm not sure it actually helps much, if any. I have a (not cheap) Jewell two-stage in my 700 6.5x55, my Steyr tuned to two-stage and just got the 1712 Anschutz with an absolutely wonderful two-stage trigger. I'm not convinced that the feature helps the high power rifles at all. I'll see about the rimfire next season. We mortals have a lot of early shots trying to pre-load a 2 pound trigger. That's because we want to pre-load them too much and we haven't trained to put on a safe 16 ounces and stop. The two stage gives the illusion that you don't have to preload. I have gone to work in earnest on my training so maybe the two stage triggers won't HURT me too much. (I'm not sure they have longer lock time. I know SET triggers do.) FWIW.
A wonderful holiday to all.

shootingpaul · « **Reply #18 on:** December 24, 2003, 03:58:24 AM »

here comes the bite! DAVE!
Pawel

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 24, 2003, 04:06:59 AM »

Dave I don't know if there is any sigfnificant change in lock time if any at all. I do know that I am shooting better with the 2 stage trigger. I like it, not everyone does. Each to their own............ Dave ,....You can solve that problem by buying one of those 1712 FWT's. I may be persuaded to sell one of mine. I have 2 in the Tan and green stocks bedded from Champions choice. With both the single stage and 2 stage triggers. Plus I have the black stocked one. Bill R :lol:

nomad · « **Reply #20 on:** December 24, 2003, 04:24:29 AM »

Dave,
Drop me an email offlist pls. (I lost yours when I changed systems.)
e27122002@yahoo.com

Fivepigs · « **Reply #21 on:** December 24, 2003, 09:54:40 AM »

You are a class act, Dave. Have a great holiday!