Author Topic: Sabot Solvent (Read 2132 times)

Ebjonnes · « **on:** December 21, 2003, 03:05:36 AM »

I finaly got my 209x45 Encore to shoot decent groups, but the barrel has to be clean for each shot.Does anybody out there know of a solvent that will remove sabot residue?

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2003, 03:15:48 AM »

I use the shotgun wad solvent from Brownells.

sheephunterab · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2003, 05:13:52 AM »

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Does anybody out there know of a solvent that will remove sabot residue?

I've been using a new product for the past few months called Copper Melt. There doesn't seem to be anything it won't clean out of a muzzleloader or rifle barrel. It doesn't work like most cleaners that slowly remove from the surface but it gets deep into the carbon deposits to which things like plastic attach and cleans much quicker and easier. Plastic has a very hard time sticking to metal but it will stick readily to carbon deposits.

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2003, 02:24:58 PM »

Copper Melt

Around $7.50 an ounce.... no thank you!

I only pay that much for my wife's perfume.

sheephunterab · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2003, 02:51:09 PM »

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Around $7.50 an ounce.... no thank you!

Each to their own but I am willing to spend 10 cents cleaning my gun. Possibly that's a little too much for you but hey......................

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2003, 12:25:19 PM »

"Each to their own but I am willing to spend 10 cents cleaning my gun. Possibly that's a little too much for you but hey......................"
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I don't understand the sarcasm Sheephunter -- I was only stating facts about the price of Coppermelt. If you want to continue spending 10 cents on something you can buy for 3 cents per ounce using one more patch per application at the same three cent price.... then knock yourself out throwing all your money around foolishly.

sheephunterab · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2003, 01:47:58 PM »

No sarcasim at all T7....the cost of using Copper Melt is incredibly low. You literallyput the suff on an a patch with an eye dropper. After the gun is clean with soapy water ot No. 13, it rarely takes more than one patch to get rid of all the crap that the other cleaners can't touch, like lead, copper, plastic, carbon.. I don't consider cleaning my rifle this well throwing my money away...I consider it responsible care of a fine firearm. It amazes me, people will shell out over a buck a shot to shoot their gun but won't spend a few bucks a year to keep it clean and help the barrel last longer. I've yet to see another cleaner that works as quickly and as well but the choice is yours.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2003, 04:45:03 PM »

http://www.coppermelt.com/extreme_coppermelt_top/extreme_coppermelt_top.htm

Is this the stuff?

I've never tried it-- have you compared it to other products?

Time is money, and if is it as good as they say, foolishly "wasting" 7 cents a session is fine by me. If I shoot for a month straight, I could almost buy a "Happy Meal" with that money-- but, that's exactly not real food, anyway.

sheephunterab · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2003, 04:50:39 PM »

It's certainly the best centrefire rifle cleaner that I have used..and I've tried many...and it gets a lot of goop out of my muzzleloader after I've cleaned it with No.13. You can completely remove all the copper from the dirtiest centrefire in five minutes with the stuff.

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #9 on:** December 23, 2003, 05:20:35 PM »

Sheephunter

I've dealt with a few other eyedrop containers & in order to blot a 20 gauge patch so the liquid shows no dry spots in a 2" circle, you are going to use a heck of alot more than 7 cents per serving.

I use this stuff for around 90 cents an ounce. Scroll down around to the middle of the webpage & read the reviews.

http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/179403

sheephunterab · « **Reply #10 on:** December 23, 2003, 05:31:29 PM »

Actually, I'm not really interested T7, I've tried most cleaners and nothing comes close to this stuff for ease of use or value. Nothing removes copper with as few patches and nothing gets my muzzleloader as clean. I know what it costs me and I know the results that I get, so why would I change? If you're happy with what you use, knock yourself out. Just out of interest, try dropping your cleaner on a penny and see what happens. Then tell me how effective of a copper cleaner that you think it is. Try it with Copper Melt and you might change your mind.

plateshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2003, 10:13:24 AM »

If your just looking at the plastic fouling, acetone works great. I've used it for years to get plastic wad fouling out of my shotguns. A couple passes with a wet patch is all you need. Just don't get it on your plastic or wood. I buy mine at Ace Hdw for a couple bucks a quart.

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #12 on:** December 24, 2003, 11:23:36 AM »

"If you're happy with what you use, knock yourself out. Just out of interest, try dropping your cleaner on a penny and see what happens. Then tell me how effective of a copper cleaner that you think it is. Try it with Copper Melt and you might change your mind."
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Patches are pennies apiece. Two doses of Barnes makes my penny like new. That's $1.80 an ounce based on two patches. I save $5.70 an ounce. Feel free to throw your money away on Coppermelt my friend. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year.

BTW... Crest toothpaste & a medium toothbrush makes pennies & bores brand new also! Just remember to rinse thoroughly.

Underclocked · « **Reply #13 on:** December 24, 2003, 11:31:48 AM »

Do you suppose it's possible some of us might be just a little TOO opinionated about trivial things?

Merry Christmas!

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #14 on:** December 24, 2003, 12:24:05 PM »

Quote from: Underclocked

Do you suppose it's possible some of us might be just a little TOO opinionated about trivial things?

Ahh, Great Underclocked-- are you making light of my reloading 209 primers and reusing sabots?

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #15 on:** December 25, 2003, 07:52:15 AM »

"Do you suppose it's possible some of us might be just a little TOO opinionated about trivial things?"

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Since when did our hard-earned paychecks become "of little worth or importance"

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A few bp shooters have too much cash to enter "convenience" into the fray of this discussion.... most others (like me) like to empty their wallets by means of "prudences...aka frugalities".

sheephunterab · « **Reply #16 on:** January 01, 2004, 07:10:47 AM »

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Two doses of Barnes makes my penny like new.

Exactly my point Triple7. The idea is not tp polish the copper in your bore to a shiny, like-new appearance, it's to get rid of it. What you described is the exact problem with most copper cleaners, all they do is take the tarnish off the copper, not the copper out of the bore. Copper Melt actually eats right into the penny, destroying the copper, not polishing it.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:34:21 AM »

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Since when did our hard-earned paychecks become "of little worth or importance"??

As fashionable as the cry of frugality might be, it bears little merit unless you really can afford (and own) only one gun, don't shoot much due to cost, drive the cheapest car, wear the cheapest boots, and go to the cheapest doctor. And would never be so foolhardy as to eat the best steak, or drink a good bottle of wine-- as water and mutton on day-old bread is far more economical.

Triple Se7en · « **Reply #18 on:** January 01, 2004, 01:41:38 PM »

Like I've stated earlier, throwing money down the drain because the savings involves using one more wet patch on a bore brush sounds too cheap for your tastes Mr. Wakeman? Why pay $7 an ounce for something that works basically the same for $1 an ounce by adding another 2" patch with bore brush.

Frugality is important -- but not as important as common sense. I urge anyone to try this Barnes copper solvent -- then try Copper Melt & tell us it's seven times better than Barnes. I even dare you to poll other readers of this thread. See if they ordered any of this stuff after finding out it's price? The owners of this Coppermelt company are laughing all the way to the bank because they hook-lined & sinkered the likes of deep pocketed people like Randy Wakeman & Sheephunter... which was their intention all along in their line of promotions.

I try to be a smart solvent shopper. I let posters know the cheapest ways to get their guns clean. You can't spray-on or dab Barnes CR-10... you gotta use some elbow grease. I'd rather push & pull the ramrod a few times instead of paying 6X more to not do it. This is not physical labor we're looking at here.... like shoveling snow instead of using a self-propelled snowblower. It's really effortlesss & keeps money in your wallet or bank... where it belongs ...... not in someone elses.

I'm done with this subject... now you can go back to eating your lobster & caviar as you watch your copper being dissolved by Coppermelt.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2004, 02:12:16 PM »

Quote from: Triple Se7en

The owners of this Coppermelt company are laughing all the way to the bank because they hook-lined & sinkered the likes of deep pocketed people like Randy Wakeman & Sheephunter... which was their intention all along in their line of promotions.

Tomorrow, when I continue to kill paper with soft-shooting 2100 fps 300 grain loads with 12 cents of powder, no patches, no swabbing, and no cleaning-- I'll wonder how anyone could possibly be so foolish as to spend more for a charge of powder.

Then, I'll eat a hot dog. :wink:

sheephunterab · « **Reply #20 on:** January 01, 2004, 06:56:35 PM »

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Why pay $7 an ounce for something that works basically the same for $1 an ounce by adding another 2" patch with bore brush.

I'll bet that 20 patches won't do what one of this does, so you tell me who is saving money. If I could find something that worked as good and was cheaper, I'd use it even if it required a little more elbow grease. I can't! Saving money, time and my rifle....hmm, makes sense to me.

Just on another note, I'd never run a stainless, bronze or copper brush through any of my rifles. Take one of those brushes and rub it on the outside of the barrel and you'll see what it's doing to the inside. For me, it's an undersized nylon brush wrapped with a pure cotton patch. It won't hurt the metal at all and with the right cleaner will get your rifle much cleaner than an abrasive brush.

sheephunterab · « **Reply #21 on:** January 01, 2004, 06:58:51 PM »

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Then, I'll eat a hot dog.

Washed down with a nice Merlot?

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #22 on:** January 01, 2004, 07:06:14 PM »

Eventually. Naturally, Italian ice to clean the palate first.

And, I trill.

sheephunterab · « **Reply #23 on:** January 01, 2004, 07:56:46 PM »

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The owners of this Coppermelt company are laughing all the way to the bank because they hook-lined & sinkered the likes of deep pocketed people like Randy Wakeman & Sheephunter... which was their intention all along in their line of promotions.

Quite the opposite in fact. It's basically a small one-man operation and you can rest assured that he isn't eating caviar and truffles with every meal. He makes a great product and is pleased to meet shooters that are serious enough about the sport to care for their rifles. His best promotion is word of mouth and last time I saw him headed for the bank, he wasn't laughing at all. If he has one fault, it's not promoting his product hard enough. He is not the deceptive, manipulative corporation that you've portrayed but a small mom and pop operation that believes in what they sell.

Underclocked · « **Reply #24 on:** January 01, 2004, 10:54:41 PM »

All I can say, T7, is that you REALLY need to lay off the snack cakes.