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Offline 1marty

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mixing components
« on: February 21, 2011, 02:43:17 AM »
I have a mec jr 20 g reloader. I'll shoot 3 to 4 rounds of skeet a week so the jr is fine. Some "old" guys at the range say you shouldn't mix remington primers with AA hulls or RXP wads with AA hulls. What they are saying is if you load rem or AA hulls use the same company components. Supposedly you get  a better crimp etc. The formula book from Alliant shows various mixing of components. Any thoughts??

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Re: mixing components
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 09:56:37 AM »
I guess I'll chime in a little here and echo the notes of caution espoused by others. That said, I extrapolate some loads, reduce shot, and even use some 20 gauge loads in my many 16 gauge guns. I also have found that in order to come close to published ballistics with slow powders (longshot, bluue dot) I must use magnum primers, even though it probably raises the pressures a little (500 psi from the charts). I just chrono'd some "1350 fps" (powder mfr recipes) loads with blue dot, that actually made 1000-1050fps with the prescribed primers, same loads with CCI mags produced 1310 fps. Some guns with slightly larger bores or long forcing cones may give totally different (& unacceptable) results. I never substitute when a load is near pressure max, but when the velocity is way lower than it should be, I sometimes do.
When I shot a lot of skeet (500 targets every week) we all saved a buck wherever we could. This included picking up used wads of any type on the range, using any hulls we could get our hands on, from Fed papers to AA's to remingtons.. The powders were whatever target type (700X, red dot etc,) we could get at the best price in 12# kegs and we used whatever primers were on sale.. We were probably loading 10Kpsi loads and no one ever had a problem with high pressures. No one ever weighed a charge, we just used a MEC charge bar from their charts. Some bloopers from blow-by but never a damaged gun. We were pretty unscientific, and got away with it. Though today I wouldn't recommend those loading techniques :o).
There is a huge safety factor built into shotgun barrels. Probably 3X plus. In over 40 years of gunsmithing and shooting shotgun sports, I've ever seen a shotgun blow up from pressure (& only a few rifles). Plenty from obstructions, and even poor workmanship or materials, zipper cracks, etc. I've replaced dozens of defective Reminton 1100 barrels, before the courts ordered them to make them stronger.
I don't want to downplay the importance of meticulously following proper reloading procedures (including following good recipes), but I also hate to alienate potential reloaders, by overstating the dangers of "rolling your own". Like flying or diving, reloading is not inherently dangerous. But it can be unforgiving of inattentiveness, neglect or stupidity.
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Re: mixing components
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 12:16:17 PM »
It is safest to stay with in the published listing loads.
Tha being said there is always a verance between lot to lot on componants. that is way you always work up when you get a new lot.
I have personaly mixed and matched thigns but I keep the loads down low and have not had any issues. I do not recomend doign this, I I am using very storng barrels, if you are shootign some of the cheeper or older shotguns out on the market stay with the lower listed loads and follow them just as they are printed.

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Re: mixing components
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 03:58:51 AM »
There are so many variables involved that can affect the pressures/velocities, even the published loads can be above SAAMI pressure specs.  I Read a piece by Tom Armbruster on how much a change in primers can affect the pressures.  Somewhat but not high enough to cause a failure.  What surprised me was his pressure testing of different crimp depth.  It changed the pressure as much as 3000 psi to go from .030 to .090 in depth.
Shotgun bore size and forcing cone configuration can affect the pressures.  Loads will perform differently in different guns, which brings me back to the point above that it's a good thing there is so much safety margin built into shotgun barrels  :)
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Re: mixing components
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 08:35:29 PM »
I have a mec jr 20 g reloader. I'll shoot 3 to 4 rounds of skeet a week so the jr is fine. Some "old" guys at the range say you shouldn't mix remington primers with AA hulls or RXP wads with AA hulls. What they are saying is if you load rem or AA hulls use the same company components. Supposedly you get  a better crimp etc. The formula book from Alliant shows various mixing of components. Any thoughts??

You answered your own question.  Follow the data exactly, adjust the press to get a good finished crimp.  Ignore the Old Guys, they are full of themselves.. 


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Re: mixing components
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 06:12:09 AM »
Of all the reloading lead is the most forgiving. I use mainly clay buster wads and cheddite primers with reclaimed shot for everyday shooting loads, hunting is another thing no reclaimed shot and WW or Rem. primers.
Remember it's where the first bullet goes out of a cold barrel that counts most.