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Offline jpuke

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Why buy an S&W revolver?
« on: February 21, 2011, 07:55:22 AM »
I'm finding myself more and more inclined to want revolvers for handguns, mostly because I don't have to chase my brass or buy extra magazines.  I do love the 45 ACP cartridge and I'm wondering if I should look at getting one of the new "classic" model 22's that S&W lists.  I really like the idea of a 4" barrel with fixed sights - any opinions on this gun?  I've also read a bunch of praise and complaints about Smith and Wesson so any insights there would be appreciated as well.  All I've owned for revolvers have been Rugers because I could afford them. 

I also don't understand the great sin that S&W committed to turn off the shooting public.  I was out of the country between '96 and '98 and didn't start buying guns until 2001 so I'm lost on that topic.  I'd love it if someone could explain that to me.

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 08:00:31 AM »
Some don't care for the lock. There are many who still like them lock and all. I like the J frames nothing comes close yet. For larger revolvers I like the Rugers . Why? because I like to shoot hot loads every so often and don't care for the lock all that much.
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 08:17:11 AM »
... mostly because I don't have to chase my brass...

One of the reasons I decided to try a revolver after having been shooting semi-autos for years! ;D

I'm sure it's pricey, but this looks like a nice .45 ACP revolver (fast loading with moon clips too).

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 08:59:50 AM »
Ive always prefered revolvers, and just recently decided to start getting a few smiths, Just because I dont have one, and the 442 is much lighter than my sp101 for EDC.

all I have to say is hold one of those model 22s and you will make your mind up quick!   I did, it is now on my must have before I croak list, very nice revolvers, very smooth, just wish I was able to shoot it.

the question isnt why but rather why not, I do prioritze said list, but its subject to change, and so are the excuses to buy them ;D
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 09:56:05 AM »
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Why buy an S&W revolver?

Because they make the best double action revolvers.
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 01:50:32 PM »
I agree with Swampman.  I feel the Smith and Wesson is the best double/single action revolver on the market and for the caliber you want to shoot, that classic revolver would be just perfect.  Good choice.

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 03:18:06 PM »
Can go wrong with a 4" N-frame Smith. I love the N-Frames. My 28 is 53 yrs old and still shoots just fine.  ;)

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 02:16:27 AM »
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Why buy an S&W revolver?

Because they make the best double action revolvers.

They don't make the strongest. Their action on most models is over 100 years old and complicated by todays standard . They are over priced and as some point out have a problem with the lock that was added . How does the fact they have a nice trigger over come this and make them best ? They are good but so are some others .
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 02:58:07 AM »
I just can't haul a 10lb gun around.  That why I always pack a S&W double action, or a Ruger single action.
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 03:17:08 AM »
I just can't haul a 10lb gun around.  That why I always pack a S&W double action, or a Ruger single action.

If you compare model for model you would notice some Ruger DA's are lighter than S&W and other Rugers are but a few ozs more . Most look at the more robust look of the Ruger and assume in error that they weigh quite a bit more when in reality they are very close to S&W carry weight but in reality the better blance of the Ruger dampens recoil much better .
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 04:04:20 AM »
Jpuke

Years ago, under a different ownership (Clinton era), S&W entered into several controversial agreements with the Govt. That were seen as caving in to the anti-gunners.  I believe this was done in a misplaced effort to stem the tide of product lawsuits that were prevalent at the time, and were threatening to put a lot of gun makers out of business.  It left a bad taste in a lot of shooters mouths.

Another complaint with recent S&W's is the inclusion of "the lock", the use of frame mounted firing pins, and the use of MIM parts (trigger and hammer) on most models.

As far as the lock goes, no I don't like it, but it is getting to be a fact of life these days if you want to be able to sell your guns in all 50 states, and want to avoid lawsuits.  More and more major manufactures are now incorporating them (Ruger, S&W, Taurus, Walther, etc.)

Handgunners tend to be a conservative bunch, and resist change.  When S&W stopped using pinned barrels and recessed chambers, you would have thought the world was coming to an end.  I'll bet an earlier generation of shooters cried S&W was going down hill when the triple lock was discontinued.

Fact is frame mounted firing pins work just as well, and are a proven design in such highly regarded weapons as the Ruger Redhawk series.  While admit I like the looks of case hardened hammers and triggers of old, I have not really seen any reliable data showing the MIM parts are significantly, if at all less durable.  Non-recessed chambers have proven just as strong as recessed, and more reliable as there is less chance of crud accumulating under the rim that could jam a gun.  The "Endurance Package" incorporated into S&W big bore revolvers in the early 90's has made the lock work significantly stronger, allowing these guns to stand up to repeated use of heavy loads much better.

I have owned about 25 S&W revolvers over the years, mostly big bore N frames, and have always found them to be quality guns.  Two years ago, I bought a used S&W 629-6 4 inch .44mag revolver with "gulp" - the lock and MIM parts.  It has as good a double and single action trigger pull as most any other N frame I have owned, excellent fit, and one of the tightest lock-ups of ANY Smith I have owned.  It shoots 1 to 1 1/2 inch groups at 25 yards with loads it likes, and has proven to be 100% reliable, with at least 1000 rounds thru it, a lot of them heavy loads.

The Rugers are fine guns as well.  I have a couple Redhawks, and am quite pleased with them.  I do like the style and feel of the Smiths more, but that's subjective.  Ruger does not make a .45 acp da revolver though.  Unless you are willing to possibly have to work the fixed sights to POA  for one load, I would consider adjustable sights for their much improved utility.  Good luck with whatever you choose.

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 04:14:08 AM »
Thanks for the posts.  I do wish Ruger would make a DA 45 ACP revolver for the simple fact that it would probably be less expensive but I'd be willing to get an S&W based on what everyone has said.  Thanks again.

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 04:29:21 AM »
Thanks for the posts.  I do wish Ruger would make a DA 45 ACP revolver for the simple fact that it would probably be less expensive but I'd be willing to get an S&W based on what everyone has said.  Thanks again.

If I were shopping for a 45 ACP revolver, I would definitely like to try the new S&W Governor.  Shoots 45 ACP, 45 Colt and .410 shotshell.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/governor
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 05:00:18 AM »
Well stated Bigeasy.

The nice thing about S&W is that there are many choices out there and my choice is the hammer mounted firing pin and sometimes much older S&W guns.  They all bring happiness.

Some good N frames, at top: 625-6 (1996) 45LC, bottom: a pair of Horton 3" 629-1, all with stag.


a 1951, pre 15, .38 spl Combat Masterpiece in 99% condition.  It is scary accurate.  Will wear stag soon.


a 1952, pre 18, .22 LR Combat Masterpiece 99% condition.  It too, is scary accurate.  Will wear stag soon.


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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2011, 05:34:12 AM »
Why buy a S&W revolver?  Why not???  S&W is part of our american history with firearms.  I think the S&W revolvers are as well known as the winchester lever action rifles.  Ok throw a few colts in there too.  But S&W is still offering there classics from the last century even today.  We can still purchase now what we didn't or wish we had purchased back then. I'm a baby boomer and didn't have the $$ back them but i do now.  "I"/We got a second chance thanks to S&W.

I like the S&W "N" frames and always did for many years, but i just never purchased on until now.  I got the S&W model 57 in 41mag w/6" barrel in nickel.  One month later i purchased the S&W model 58 in 41mag w/4" barrel also in nickel finish.  Now i'm interested in getting a S&W model 27 in 357mag w/6" barrel in blue or nickel too.  I'm also eyeing the S&W model 29 in 44mag too.  We just can't have "1" S&W revolver right? Plus S&W is still offering there awesome nickel finish too in most of there "classics" and the "N" frames too.  I like the S&W snubbies in 41mag / 44mag too, great for hot summer CCW.  S&W is going to fill a big nitch in my little collection for me.  I see other gun manufacturers discontinue so many models and don't offer anything new or different.  Once there gone we have nothing else to choose from.  This is were S&W is way smarter than the rest of them because there still offering what us baby boomers missed out on.  I'm going to make up for that now. S&W is offering us a second chance and i'm going for the gusto now.    Don't forget the S&W M29 W/6" barrel in 44mag in Dirty Harry blue......make my day,  did i fire 5 or did i fire 6, feel lucky? Don't make the same mistake twice get the S&W's you want know.   My point is to enjoy life for we only pass this way once and the years go by so fast.                                                           Bill

BTW;  I have no clue as to what colt and ruger are thinking?   There leaving the revolver market up for grabs. Plus we have no people like Elmer Keith pushing the market with new ideas too.  Playing following the leader just dosn't cut it nowadays.  While the rest of the manufacturers are still chasing there tails S&W is moving forward with new ideas yet still has a hand on there classics too.  They offer a mix of old world and new world guns.  I think there marketing guys are really smart they have the nitch covered.

I still like my 1911's too, but then again i like all guns that go bang too.  In a world full of demands for auto pistols there's still room for revolvers too. So don't get hung up on one handgun design when there are so many other different ones to play with too.

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2011, 05:46:12 AM »
Why are the revolvers in 22cal so expensive??  I also see the modern looking pistols in 22cal expensive too?     Bill

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2011, 12:38:34 PM »
Aside from the locks, which I disagree with, their is no other problem to me with a Smith. I love all my Smiths and they have always served me well. I would buy one a month even with a lock if I had the means. 

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2011, 01:05:23 PM »
Thanks for the posts.  I do wish Ruger would make a DA 45 ACP revolver for the simple fact that it would probably be less expensive but I'd be willing to get an S&W based on what everyone has said.  Thanks again.

The Ruger can be converted to accept the full moon clips  ;)
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2011, 03:35:56 AM »
Shootall,

The S&W revolvers can be converted for full moon clips as well.  Like you, I am a die-hard 1911 / 45 ACP fan.  In the photos above, the 45 LC Mountain Gun will be cut to accept full moon clips in the near future.  Nice thing is that the cut for full moon clips does not affect the ability of the gun to chamber and shoot LC ammo.  The cut allows some metal to stay on the outside part of the cylinder and the rimmed cases can headspace there as normal.  Auto Rim cases will NOT work with this type of conversion however. 

Pinnacle is the name of a reputable shop that does the conversion.  Just send in your cylinder, not the whole gun.  Saves lots of shipping and turn around time is said to be pretty quick.  I've known a few who have the conversion and they love it.  I think Pinnacle will cut S&W and Ruger cylinders for the conversion.  The price may be different, but not by much - I think the whole thing with return shipping and a few moon clips is "around" $100.

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2011, 05:44:15 AM »
Why not???  The only reason I can think of is if you can't afford it...  I have 629 44mag that I've had for about 20 years.  Great gun, fun to shoot although I don't shoot it as much as I should...   The only down side of it is that a couple of the screws rattle loose after shooting it for a while.  They have done that since I bought it and always meant to locktite them in but never did it.  Just tighten after shooting it.  Truth be known though, I would trade it straight up for a Ruger Super Blackhawk as they can handle hotter loads.
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2011, 05:44:53 AM »
I don't let the child safety locks on my S&W bother me.  If they save one childs life there worth it to me.  My kids are grown but i do have grandkids and my guns are locked up anyway.  But we can never be too safe, gun safety never sleeps or takes a vacation.  I'm sure the key safety switch has saved the lives of childern already.  I can live with the key safety for we can't put a value on a childs life.
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2011, 08:59:56 AM »
Why not???  The only reason I can think of is if you can't afford it...  I have 629 44mag that I've had for about 20 years.  Great gun, fun to shoot although I don't shoot it as much as I should...   The only down side of it is that a couple of the screws rattle loose after shooting it for a while.  They have done that since I bought it and always meant to locktite them in but never did it.  Just tighten after shooting it.  Truth be known though, I would trade it straight up for a Ruger Super Blackhawk as they can handle hotter loads.

So ya won't be disappointed when I shot IMHSA i had to tighten the 5 frams screws on my super Blackhawk after every 5 rounds and replace them every few matches. My loads were very hot . Also the ejector rod housing was going to fall off , it was a sure thing. I like Rugers alot but stress is stress.
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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2011, 12:19:50 PM »
Stress is placed anytime additional pressure is added. Tightening screws for hot loads is normal. I have done it with Smith and Taurus. I am not the one to drive a revolver to extreme pressures but, I will say, revolvers work just fine at their normal pressures. If anyone hot rods things then expect things to not work right. Example: Turning a .44 Spl into a Mag is risky. Problems should be expected. Same for turning a .38 into a .357.

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Re: Why buy an S&W revolver?
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2011, 05:12:41 AM »
Loads don't have to be excessive though. Alot of use will back screws out also .
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