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Offline JumpinJackFlash

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model 63 Smith and Wesson
« on: February 23, 2011, 07:13:22 AM »
I have been shooting some Winchester Xpert ammo in a model 63. I notice stiff extraction with this, but not with CCI Mini Mags or better quality ammo. Anyone else noted this?

The revolver shoots well and has a nice trigger. My brother got it for me for Christmas.

How have the rest of you faired with this product?

JJF
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2011, 04:21:02 PM »
Quote from: JumpinJackFlash on February 23, 2011, 07:13:22 AM
I have been shooting some Winchester Xpert ammo in a model 63. I notice stiff extraction with this, but not with CCI Mini Mags or better quality ammo. Anyone else noted this?

The revolver shoots well and has a nice trigger. My brother got it for me for Christmas.

How have the rest of you faired with this product?

JJF

I wouldn't know. Apparently, I don't have as good a brother as you do! ;D
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 12:24:53 AM »
  Some 20+ years back I bought two S&W 22RF revolvers... a 63 and a Target 17... BOTH stuck cases in the cylinders. I returned both with a cylinder full of empties for a return to the factory. Both came back and BOTH STILL WHERE hard to extract!!!  I sold them off and bought a old M17 pinned barrel and forgot about a J frame rimfire until a very nice 651 came along (22mag)... I grabbed it and was rewarded with a brace of fine shooting S&W RF's.

 I would return it to S&W and hope for the best.

Good luck,
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 05:27:06 AM »
So it it stiff extracting those with clean, dry chambers or only after it is fired some and getting dirty?
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2011, 01:50:45 PM »
My model 63 has never shown any extraction issues with anything.  It's a 5" version from about five years ago.  Have you examined the chambers real well to see if there's any roughness?  A little polish might be all it needs.  Good luck.

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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 05:46:37 AM »
The extraction problem becomes more noticable after firing quite a few rounds, in other words, with dirty chambers. I think the polish idea might be a good one. The chambers appear real smooth, though I have a hand lens to check them with.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 01:12:38 PM »
Quote from: JumpinJackFlash on February 23, 2011, 07:13:22 AM
I have been shooting some Winchester Xpert ammo in a model 63. I notice stiff extraction with this, but not with CCI Mini Mags or better quality ammo. Anyone else noted this?

The revolver shoots well and has a nice trigger. My brother got it for me for Christmas.

How have the rest of you faired with this product?

JJF

Make sure the extractor push rod and extractor star's hollow extension shaft are snugged together properly.

I recently fired a S&W model 686-1 at the range, and those parts had loosened and backed away from each other, by a few threads.

One could barely open the revolver after firing a cylinder of rounds....snugged the parts together, and life was good once again.

Best of Luck with the new revolver!
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 05:20:40 AM »
I like to clean my .22 revolver cylinders with a cordless drill. Spinning the brass brushes does a nice job of cleaning the chambers and also tends to burnish the chambers, leaving them smoother and less likely to stick cases. I find it works very well.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 03:40:29 AM »
A good cleaning every now and them , will fix the problem.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2011, 01:30:45 PM »
I had an old model 18 that was accurate except for shooting an inch to the left at 25 yards, 1.5 inch groups hand held and with young eyes. The empties were always very hard to extract. The chambers were cleaned with a brass brush on a drill, and a local 'smith checked it out. I sold it to a collector and went with a Ruger mk 2.

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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2011, 03:32:12 PM »
Something often overlooked is the ammo; all .22LR ammo is not created equal, or to the same spec as regards outside dimensions. I have a Paco Kelly bullet 'flat pointing' tool that also does a wonderful job of sizing the heeled bullet to one of two diameters depending on which end you use. On my 'closely chambered' guns I find I can barely fit some brands, but run them thru the die and the fit up nicely. We find that match rifles with match chambers are touchy in this and that match ammo is often better saved for competition, so a little time on the sizer (a job easily done while in a comfy chair watching a movie) with even Wal-Mart bulk ammo works well. I have several handguns that were troublesome and this fixed 'em right up.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 04:48:34 AM »
JumpinJackFlash, you didn't mention just how hard the extraction is? Does ejector rod leave small ring on opposite hand? Do you have to tap the ejection rod on something(piece3 of wood or whatever?) to get empties out of cylinder?
How often do you clean this revolver?
Personally, if CCI ammo solves your problem, that's what I would use.
Not ragging on you, just curious.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2011, 10:26:55 AM »
It's cleaned every session. I use Shooters Choice, and swab out the chambers well. The last session I used some of the bulk pack Remington ammo which has a bad reputation generally but this just dropped out neatly. With use and several cleanings the sticky case problem is becoming less noticable. I don't have to hit the ejector rod or anything, they just kind of ooze out a bit and then come free. As noted by someone else, lots of variation in these products. Oh, yes. Stingers drop out without a hitch. I know a lot of people don't like Stingers but I've had a least two pistols that shot them well. I've yet to find a rifle that will.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2011, 10:52:53 AM »
I bought the 5" 63 a couple years ago. My first barrel had some terrible machine marks in the barrel, like something went wrong in the rifling process. Sent it back to S&W, got a new barrel that was still pretty rough, it still leaded terribly. The chambers were very rough, they looked like threaded holes. Some ammo extracted better than others.
Pretty disappointed with the gun, sold it at a loss to 3leggedturtle, he likes it, but has the same trouble. Last I heard he was dip lubing .22 ammo in an effort to prevent leading.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 02:16:06 AM »
Quote from: HAMMERHEAD on October 06, 2011, 10:52:53 AM
I bought the 5" 63 a couple years ago. My first barrel had some terrible machine marks in the barrel, like something went wrong in the rifling process. Sent it back to S&W, got a new barrel that was still pretty rough, it still leaded terribly. The chambers were very rough, they looked like threaded holes. Some ammo extracted better than others.
Pretty disappointed with the gun, sold it at a loss to 3leggedturtle, he likes it, but has the same trouble. Last I heard he was dip lubing .22 ammo in an effort to prevent leading.

Too bad you never thought to take some pics of your problems with this gun? Would of been interesting to see. I suppose all manufacturers have quality problems at times but, these sound odd for S&W(maybe when the British own them?).
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2011, 05:11:30 AM »
A S&W shouldnt have those issues, and 3LT should look into sending it back to get it right.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2011, 06:52:52 AM »

I ordered that gun from my dealer sight unseen, and when I first looked at it it appeared to have been used, it had that dark sooty look, the dealer said that was normal, so I took it. When I got it home and cleaned it, I was getting long lead shard out of the bore, like tinsel. Then I saw the nasty scrapes on top of the lands. It looked like some tool had broken or gotten loose in the bore during the rifling process. Took it back to my dealer and he sent it back. The new barrel looked much better, the top of the lands were smooth anyway, but it still leaded.


I've been trying to talk 3leggedturtle into using the fire lapping ammo. If ever a rimfire needed it, it was that one. It might even smooth up the chambers a little.


I've never had good luck with rimfire revolvers. I need to just stick with my Mark II.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2011, 07:47:06 AM »
If you can see the 'issues' so can S&W, and they should be willing to fix it (again), and this time get it right. They have a reputation to uphold, and a buyer shouldnt be stuck with something worse than a Taurus, or some other 'off brand'.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2011, 09:09:05 AM »
Well which is it? The new barrel was " was still pretty rough," or "The new barrel looked much better"? By the way, I would really appreciate seeing some pics of targets this thing has shot?
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2011, 09:56:31 AM »
It looked smooth on top of the lands, that's why I said looked much better.


Still pretty rough was an assumption based on the shooting results.


3leggedeturtle will have to decide what to do with it. He likes it, and it shoots well with premium ammo, but leads quickly with cheaper stuff.


This is the only pic I have of that gun. Shot with 2nd barrel, just off hand plinking at 15 yards IIRC.


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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2011, 02:36:15 PM »
Looks like about a 1" elev. range and the windage range is the shooter (Im usually the worst part of the equation). The small revolvers are hard to get a consistent grip on, and the groups suffer because of it. I would have liked to see about 1/2"- 3/4" round group at 15 yd. from a two handed, wrists on knees, back against a tree, sitting rest. Guess I should have kept mine....
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2011, 03:49:21 PM »
Yeah, I had no complaints about the accuracy (when clean). Trigger was very nice as well. I bought a set of Pachmayr Grippers and it made a huge difference. they're considerably bigger than the ones you see in the pic (factory Hogues).


Starting to regret selling it. Should have just fire lapped it.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 09:43:51 AM »
I have fire-lapped it some.  Shoots better, but it aint no target pistol.  It carries nice and any squirrel  within 50 yards  is gonna have  a bad day.  Did some rock shooting up north in the field and had no trouble hitting "head-sized" rock up to 200 paces. Its nice pistol and carries easily in a shoulder holster.  The only ammo i had trouble with leading was the WW 36gr HP High velocity bulk rounds.  Was dipping them in melted JPW so they wouldnt lead anymore.  CCI Blazerand Federal bulk lead HP's have never given me problem in this pistol or any other 22 for that matter     3leg
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2012, 10:28:23 AM »
Another who never had a lick of trouble with a M-63 4" Square Butt I had and used constantly for many years, no matter how dirty it got from shooting.   Same as my older 22/32 Kit 2" SB I'd had since a kid, it shot any ammo I happened to have on hand without issues, put a lot of fodder in the cook pot and saved me from quite a few snake bites.   
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2012, 07:15:39 AM »
Quote from: 3leggedturtle on January 11, 2012, 09:43:51 AM
It carries nice and any squirrel  within 50 yards  is gonna have  a bad day.     


I consider this target accuracy. Did you mention what version of 63 you have? Mine is an older one with the red insert front sight originally but, Dave Clements change this to partridge so I could see it better.


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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2012, 09:18:15 AM »
  I bought a new S&W 63  3 inch about 14 months ago , the only problem is with certian types of ammo the cyl is hard to rotate after 1 shot to 4 shots are fired either in single or double action , with clean chambers the case heads are dragging on the recoil shield  , use a different brand of ammo problem gone. Im blameing the ammo althought it workes well in my 617 .
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2012, 10:40:25 AM »
I have a S&W 10 shot medium frame model that cruds up when I shoot CB 22 shorts. Perhaps the shorts are my problem.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2012, 01:14:26 PM »
Many years ago I had hard extraction problems with my Kitguns (#34 & #63).  The problem was addressed in the American Rifleman magazine Dope Bag section.  Among other things it stated: keep the chambers clean, use .22 LR ammo only (The Kitguns were/are marked for .22LR not .22s,l,LR ammo) AND oil the chambers after cleaning BUT only shoot the gun with DRY chambers.  I followed their advice and have never had another hard extraction problem over the past 30yrs.  Good advice.  Maybe it will help.
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Re: model 63 Smith and Wesson
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2012, 04:53:21 AM »
GunPilot, its the shorts......you need to go 'regimental'  ;D .
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