E.R. shaw custom rifle

[Swampman]

Not being here to sell anything, makes it easier for me to help folks save money.

[parkergunshop]

Swampman,

I'm not into selling guns or services on this or any website.

The only gun work I do at this point is for close friends and I intend to stop this after I finish the two guns I have inprocess.

Factory rifles are ok, but I don't own one, and don't want one.   Many of my friends feel the same way.    That's why I have put together multiple rifles for two generations of shooters in the same familly.  I do consider a factory rifle the best value for the money unless you can build your own rifle yourself and avoid custom labor charges.

Example: I have built guns using Shaw Barrels with MPI composite stocks for much less money than MPI currently charges just for a finished stock with recoil pad. 
MPI stocks are better than any of the factory composite stocks I have seen by the way, you get what you pay for in many cases.

The nearest thing to a factory rifle I have ever owned was a new Savage 110 barreled action in 7 mag that I stocked and later rebarreled after the 7 mag's accuracy started to so south after close to a thousand rounds.

Have worked on many Remington 700's but they are not my personal choice, I had rather have a controlled feed action any day ie.  Model 70 Winchester, Mauser, Springfield, Enfield etc.

I'm just not into the one liners that don't reflect much throught that you are so prone to use.

[Swampman]

No thought needed.  You can spend $5000.00 on a rifle and it may shoot as well as a $350.00 ADL from Dick's Sporting Goods, but probably not.  I have no use for CRF rifles.  I can't see giving up accuracy for an antique feature that's offers nothing.

Each to their own.  Swim with the stream if it suits you.

[jmayton]

Sorry, I have to bite on this one.

Each to their own.  Swim with the stream if it suits you.

This from the man who posts repeatedly about the Remington 700 being the best selling centerfire rifle.  So who's swimming with the stream?

As for my personal definition of custom, I would have to say that when a major metal component of the rifle has been changed or altered, it becomes a custom.  Triggers and stocks don't count in my book because they are basically bolt-on parts.  Generally that means a barrel swap defines it as a custom.  Now there are certainly different levels of customization.  E.R. Shaw offers a basic level of customization that allows the consumer to pick from a great selection of calibers.  Would I like more twist rate options?  Sure.  Would it be nice to get a target action?  Absolutely.  Could they offer more choices of stocks?  Certainly.  But they offer much more options than are available in a rifle that is straight from the factory all based upon the customer's choice. . .so, they are custom rifles.

[parkergunshop]

The description on custom or customize is pretty broad:

customize, customise [ˈkʌstəˌmaɪz]
vb
(tr) to make (something) according to a customer's individual requirements

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Sorry, I have to bite on this one.

Each to their own.  Swim with the stream if it suits you.

This from the man who posts repeatedly about the Remington 700 being the best selling centerfire rifle.  So who's swimming with the stream?

As for my personal definition of custom, I would have to say that when a major metal component of the rifle has been changed or altered, it becomes a custom.  Triggers and stocks don't count in my book because they are basically bolt-on parts.  Generally that means a barrel swap defines it as a custom.  Now there are certainly different levels of customization.  E.R. Shaw offers a basic level of customization that allows the consumer to pick from a great selection of calibers.  Would I like more twist rate options?  Sure.  Would it be nice to get a target action?  Absolutely.  Could they offer more choices of stocks?  Certainly.  But they offer much more options than are available in a rifle that is straight from the factory all based upon the customer's choice. . .so, they are custom rifles.

I agree with Jmayton on this point, Shaw offers dozens of chambering options, all of which are avalable in a left handed action.  As every one that has posted here will see thats probably exactly why the OP is interested in those that have EXPERIENCE or an interest in the Shaw Custom rifle.
I for one would like a .257 Roberts in Left hand bulit on a classic style rifle. What I want is not offered in a factory rifle so I will go the route of having it built to my specifications i.e. a custom.  I have a left handed Savage weather warrior in .308 SS/Syn, would it have made sense to have Shaw build one? probably not since there is a production model avalable.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Not being here to sell anything, makes it easier for me to help folks save money.

But you sure push the $350.00 ADLs from the box stores. Saving money is one thing but the most recent production Remintons(avalable in box stores) I have seen have ill-fitting recoil pads and horribly uneven parkerized finishes.  For some reason Remington has decied to park the bolts as well which makes them about as slick as the 710s used to be.

[parkergunshop]

Yooper,

I parkerize only the non moving parts on a rifle, leave the bolt highly polished or blued, never parkerize moving parts  because it leaves a rough textured surface as you noted.

Most of my bolt actions are parkerized and in Synthetic or laminated wood stocks except for a few.

Most of the factory synthetic stocks for the bargain box store specials are crap to be avoided, many of them need acraglas bedding but the material used in the stocks is difficult for acruglas to stick to  You have to grind out and created a surface that acruglas will stick to hopefully.

Of the cheaper stocks Bell and Carson pillar bedded ok,  Hogue not so good to glass bed for the pillar bedded model, the full aluminum block models ok.   Unless you have the full action length aluminum bedding block they all need to be reinforced for the heavy magnums unless especially made for the magnums and stated so by the maker.

[Swampman]

Just hate to see folks spend big bucks on a deparment store quality "custom rifle".  Remington sporting rifles are not parkerized, only the police rifles and shotguns are.  I prefer the matte blued bolt, it holds oil better than the polished bolt.  Even so 1/2 MOA right out of the box for a $349.95 first quality name brand rifle is amazing, and I own a bunch of them.

Academy Sports has them even cheaper BTW.

But back to the subject.  If you want a Savage, I'd buy it from Savage.  It's cheaper and they know what they are doing.

[pastorp]

You make your choice and you spend your money...................HO Hum de dum........

I like a nice looking rifle that does what I want it to do. The older I get the more I spend on gunsmithing & wood. I like nice wood.  But it costs money & you seldom find it at a box store..

Regards,

[336SC]

I have a Remington 700 short action customized by E.R. Shaw with one of their .358 Win barrels installed and they also tuned the action by lapping the lugs.  I'm happy with it and it shoots great.  Have a 760 pump rechambered to .358 Win and love it.  Wanted a bolt gun in .358 Win so bought the short actioned .358 Win used at a local gun shop who was selling it on consignment.  When Ruger
brought out their Hawkeye in .358 Win I bought the wood stocked version and I'm happy with it also.  Buy and use whatever floats your
boat.  Just like cars and women, we all have our likes and dislikes.
336SC

[Swampman]

I put this together for $650.00 including the scope.  All parts but the scope rings were new.  It will puts 3 shots into .3 at 100 yards.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Nice pics of your rifle, any pics of the targets?

[pastorp]

Swampy,

What I fail to understand, is why you come on the custom rifle forum and push your remingtons. There is a remington forum for that. Why not post all this there. Their are some that want to talk about custom rifles but can't because you keep posting all your inflamitory comments here. Your in the wrong forum and posting troll comments.........IMO 

Regards,

[Swampman]

This is a "custom rifle".  I just thought folks might give some thought to what kind of first quality name brand "custom rifle" they can build themselves to save money.

I'm not pushing Remingtons.  You can build a "custom rifle" from any brand you like.

[pastorp]

So Swampy, your saying that if you take a remington factory rifle and pull the barreled action out of the stock and put it into a wood factory remington stock it becomes a custom rifle. But if shaw rebarrels a action to a persons choice of calibers and puts it into a aftermarket stock it is not a custom rifle?

Explaine that logic to me........

Regards,

[Swampman]

You guys defined a "custom rifle."

[pastorp]

I didn't contribute to that defination.....But the interesting thing is you seem to like it for yourself but refuse to acknowledge it for others work.
Does Shaw make a custon rifle or not?

Or is it just a messed up savage with 2 prices?

Regards,

[Swampman]

It's just a Savage.

[pastorp]

If thats the case then your rifle is just a Remington 700 and dosen't belong here. 

Regards,

[Swampman]

In your opinion.

[pastorp]

In my opinion you can't have it both ways. The same standards should be the same for both of you. The shaw rifle certainly has much more work done to it than yours. Don't you agree?

Regards,

[Swampman]

no not really.......bout the same.  Just a restocked Savage.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

I put this together for $650.00 including the scope.  All parts but the scope rings were new.  It will puts 3 shots into .3 at 100 yards.

Im honestly interested in what you got that rifle for, what issues you encountered and how you resolved them. What after market parts were installed, using what tools? Also how you worked up  .3 inch 100yd groups and again some pics of the paper you punched would be apprecated. I belive this is a reasonable line of questions for anyone that has put a substantial amout of work into such a pretty and accurate rifle.

BTW, spare us the response of "An out of the box Reminton needs no work, I rubbed it with a diaper and put a box of  180gr Core-Lokts through it." 

[pastorp]

Swampy, you say you don't believe the shaw rifle has much more work done to it than yours. Did you rebarrel yours to another caliber and do all the associated work to insure reliable feeding? That alone is a lot more than you did. 

Did you restock with a action and barrel contour that was different than the new stock was built for and refit everything to be bedded properly. 

Come on swampy you are not fooling anyone but yourself.   

Regards,

[Mikey]

Fellas:  I've followed this thread from the start and am just about ready to pull the plug on it.  If ya can't stop spitin' at each other and dissin' each others preferences I'm going to dump the thread. 

I'm a bit sick and tired of 'this isn't this or this isn't that but this is and since it's mine it's the best".  Grow up and get your heads outta your butts.

I don't think it matters one dang bit which action a custom rifle maker chooses to use when he puts his name and reputation on a rifle - it is his choice; if ya don't like it, don't buy it, and get over it.  If someone else prefers it over your choice, get over that too.

A Gibbs rifle is a SMLE actions in 45-70 caliber and Gibbs Company sells them under its own name.  Kimber used to use Mauser actions and sold the completed custom rifle under its name.  So what the hay is the difference what action is being used.  Ya'll can call it what you want but if it isn't what the manufacturer calls it then give it a break.  Isn't there anyone on this damn site who isn't big enough to just let it slide - and that is rhetorical. 

[Swampman]

I didn't mean to upset anyone.  I'm just trying to get folks to build their own.

1. Mossy Oak Camo .30-06 Package Rifle from Walmart $430.00
2. Sold camo stock, ADL metal, and Bushnell scope on eBay for $150.00
3. Bought new take-off CDL stock and bottom metal for $200.00
4. Dropped barreled action into the CDL stock and tightened screws with Outer's screwdriver.
5. Bought new Nikon Prostaff off eBay for $140.00
6. Mounted scope on existing Weaver bases using a set of vintage low Elpaso Weaver rings that I had nothing in. (you'll need the screwdriver)
7. Installed a Montana sling $30.00

Went to the range with a clean bore and a box of Remingrton 180 grain Core-Lokts
Fired 2 fouling shots
Put the next 3 in the same hole

There are ways to do this cheaper.  New ADLs can be had for a lot less, but the black stock doesn't bring as much when resold.  It's more fun to build your on "custom rifle" and you learn while doing it.  This may work with other brands but there are a lot more new take-off parts floating around for some than others.  If you like plastic, Bell & Carlson makes a nice stock.

Anyway you end up with a unique rifle that you understand.  If it makes you feel good, put a dab of JB WELD behind your recoil lug.  I do that on heavy kickers to save the stock.

[ba_50]

Fellas:  I've followed this thread from the start and am just about ready to pull the plug on it.  If ya can't stop spitin' at each other and dissin' each others preferences I'm going to dump the thread. 

I'm a bit sick and tired of 'this isn't this or this isn't that but this is and since it's mine it's the best".  Grow up and get your heads outta your butts.

I don't think it matters one dang bit which action a custom rifle maker chooses to use when he puts his name and reputation on a rifle - it is his choice; if ya don't like it, don't buy it, and get over it.  If someone else prefers it over your choice, get over that too.

A Gibbs rifle is a SMLE actions in 45-70 caliber and Gibbs Company sells them under its own name.  Kimber used to use Mauser actions and sold the completed custom rifle under its name.  So what the hay is the difference what action is being used.  Ya'll can call it what you want but if it isn't what the manufacturer calls it then give it a break.  Isn't there anyone on this damn site who isn't big enough to just let it slide - and that is rhetorical.

Mikey,

What's that sayin? Life is too short to be little? I agree with you. People argue a lot about nothing on the net.

[parkergunshop]

Mickey,

Custom in rifles is like beauty in women, can't account for what turns men on.

My hunting buddy's definition of a custom hunting rifle was beyond me.

Accurized 700 Reminton short action, 19 inch Hart stainless steel barrel, Mcmillian composite stock .308 Winchester chamber with a tight neck and short throat.  Neck so tight factory loads could not be used, cases had to be neck turned before being used,  2 ounce 4 lever trigger that literally would go off if you breathed heavily on it.

He expected his hunting rifle to be like his competition benchrest rifles.   He had a nice 30/338 with a Douglas barrel on a VZ24 Mauser action with a two pound trigger in an MPI stock,  but never took it hunting, he basically hunted with a benchrest rifle.   I did stay away from him in the woods with that 2 ounce trigger never trusted one in a hunting rifle.   Saw too many slam fires in benchrest competition with them.

We bought Remington model 7's and discarded all but the actions.  Mine was a aluminum sleeved model 7 with interchangable Hart barrels for light varmint, sporter class and heavy varmint.   I stll have two new model 7 .243 barrel pull offs.   

The .243 and .308 bolt faces worked for the .22 and 6 M/M PPC cartridges without modification.

And one note the amount of money spent may mean nothing:   I put together a rifle a for a friend on a Polish Radom Mauser action for $300, his son had a custom rifle built using a Krieger barrel on a Remington 700 action using a Mcmillan stock and spent over $1600 on it, Guess which one shot the best?   The Mauser by a over 1/2 inch at 100 yards.

And yes, Swampmans model 700 is by my definition customized to his tastes, but not mine.

[Dinny]

I have a silly question....

does anyone have one of these rifles made and if so how good is it?

Inquiring minds still want to know...

Also, since there's several different options that can influence pricing, where did you get the pricing info? Does a request need to be submitted for a price quote?

Thanks, Dinny