I'm using a lee press, and the winchester pink wads, don't remember the id number, and like a dummy I dumped them in a bin and tossed the bag, I did have it written down, WAA12R Wad, 9 .311 balls 21Gr Unique, I only use the press for the crimp and most of them look great, but in a few days quite a few of them will start to open, remember these are the cheap wally world hulls, once fired. Thanks for the interest and the info guys, I appreciate it.....................................steg