Is Wisconsin the place where it will all start?

[SHOOTALL]

Did you ever think that the reason they teach in the private sector is because they couldn't get a job anywhere else. Not saying anything bad about them, but teaching in a lower paying job is better than not teaching at all.

Here they teach in private schools out of fear of being hurt , raped or killed in public schools . Here if you are in college you must teach in a public school some change their major when they find out which school they would have to teach in. It is a real problem here.

[billy_56081]

Another reason people choose teaching in a private school is that they do not approve the hate God anti American agenda of the unionist left parasites. Kinda funny how these private school teachers who as you said "Did you ever think that the reason they teach in the private sector is because they couldn't get a job anywhere else" have classes that out perform the public schools every single time. Maybe it is because the really good teachers are in the private schools, and the lazy parasitic slugs who need the union to prop them up are teaching public.

[XD40SC]

Another reason people choose teaching in a private school is that they do not approve the hate God anti American agenda of the unionist left parasites. Kinda funny how these private school teachers who as you said "Did you ever think that the reason they teach in the private sector is because they couldn't get a job anywhere else" have classes that out perform the public schools every single time. Maybe it is because the really good teachers are in the private schools, and the lazy parasitic slugs who need the union to prop them up are teaching public.

Maybe it's because students in private schools are better motivated. One of the reasons some want to have the choice of leaving troubles schools for those with a better environment- and yes I'm talking about public schools in both cases.

[Buckskin]

Did you ever think that the reason they teach in the private sector is because they couldn't get a job anywhere else. Not saying anything bad about them, but teaching in a lower paying job is better than not teaching at all.

Did you ever think that the ones who really love teaching and truely do it for the kids go to private schools.

And why are all the public school teachers against school choice and charter schools???  I will tell you if you don't know.  THEY AREN'T UNION and are a threat to the gravy train..

[Buckskin]

Here is the real reason the donkeys are hiding.  Take a look at the top of this list and imagine when the unions have no money from dues...

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

[Cabin4]

Did you ever think that the reason they teach in the private sector is because they couldn't get a job anywhere else. Not saying anything bad about them, but teaching in a lower paying job is better than not teaching at all.

What a rediculous comment. the ol we are Union and better than the rest of you common folks BS!

How about a teacher that goes into the private sector because they don;t want to compromise their ethics and morals by working for a corrupt God less buch of socialists. How about they teach at a religious school because teaching to them is more important that raping the tax payers.

[SHOOTALL]

Between K and one year of post grad HS i went to both private and public schools . With out a doubt the education in private school was light years ahead of public school.

[XD40SC]

How many of you who critize public schools, went to public schools personally or sent your children ??

[XD40SC]

Did you ever think that the reason they teach in the private sector is because they couldn't get a job anywhere else. Not saying anything bad about them, but teaching in a lower paying job is better than not teaching at all.

What a rediculous comment. the ol we are Union and better than the rest of you common folks BS!

How about a teacher that goes into the private sector because they don;t want to compromise their ethics and morals by working for a corrupt God less buch of socialists. How about they teach at a religious school because teaching to them is more important that raping the tax payers.

I never said one was better than the other. unlike some', I'm not attacking any one or group. Wish the same was true of those here have a one sided view. The problem with some here is that they look at everything through their predetermined view and because of that slant everything toward their perception.And perception is reality.

[SHOOTALL]

How many of you who critize public schools, went to public schools personally or sent your children ??

Did both ! and pay taxes so I feel I have a right to say how I feel.

[XD40SC]

Yes you do and you have seen both sides. Your opinion is valued..

[guzzijohn]

Comparing private schools to public schools is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. For MOST private schools and public schools here are some of the differences:

                         public school                                                                         private school

Has to accept ALL students.                                                                   Can pick and choose
HAS to serve ALL students with disabilities                                             Most will not serve students with disabilities, especially 
                                                                                                            those with significant disabilities and those with mental
                                                                                                            illness and severe behavior problems.
Students IDed with significant behavior problems have to be                  If a student displays significant behavior problems they
served no matter what they do. They may be able to be removed           can simply be kicked out.
from the school building but still have to be served in an alternative
setting.
Serve students that have no support or motivation from home.             Private schools generally have active and supportive
                                                                                                           parents or the kid would not be in a private school in
                                                                                                           the first place. Paying big bucks to attend motivates
                                                                                                           parents to motivate their kids.
Public schools serve students from very low income homes that
struggle just to survive day to day let alone concentrate on school.        Most students come from middle or upper class.
Public schools tend to have larger schools and class sizes. This               Most schools and classrooms have less kids.
makes it easier for some kids to "fall between the cracks". It
is not as easy to provide personalized attention to each kid.
It is not uncommon for a parent to NOT back up disciplinary                 Parent will back the school.
actions by the school.
Very few parents will volunteer for school activities to help                    Most parents are very active volunteers and supporters.
keep costs down.
Public schools are directed by elected "BOE". Some of these                  Private schools tend to have more "focused" boards.
elected people have their own agenda's and not the best interest
of the students.
Despite reduced or lack of funding all kids have to be served.                May reduce school size and/or increase tuition.

Private and public schools  are very different animals. I felt my calling and talent was teaching students with disabilities so I had no choice but to work in the public school setting. For the reasons outlined above private schools generally do provide a better education IMHO but both setting have excellent teachers and a few that are marginal, just as in any line of work. Public schools still turn out many fine and well educated people when the student and parent does their part. Many people that spout off about poor public schools and teachers generally have not spent much time in the school buildings during school hours either volunteering or observing. Most do not see what a teacher does before and after the "set" school hours or how much time is spent during their "time off' in the summer preparing for the next school year and/or taking required college classes which they pay for out of pocket and cannot even deduct that cost off income taxes. My two and a half cents worth.
GuzziJohn

[Buckskin]

Guzzijohn,

That is all well and good. But it doesn't erase the fact that teachers in the public schools are over compensated.

And what about charter schools?  Why are public skool teachers so against school choice???

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Buckskin:

But it doesn't erase the fact that teachers in the public schools are over compensated.

And what about charter schools?  Why are public skool teachers so against school choice???

First, that teachers are overpaid is an opinion not a fact. As you have probably seen in some of my previous posts I feel they are underpaid, at least in the midwest.

What is your question concerning charter schools? There are many of them in Kansas. The grade school I attended as a kid is now a really neat charter school that uses project based hands on learning all based on agriculture and is the first one in the nation to base learning on agriculture. Their test scores, etc. have skyrocketed since this type of learning was put in place and they are now one of the top performing schools in the state. The staff is same so in this case it is the system more than the teachers that made a difference except the teachers were willing to try something new that was way out of their comfort zone.

I think the concern over school choice is that the public schools will be left gutted serving only the kids the private schools will refuse to serve. If we are assured that the private schools have to serve ALL kids there would be much less resistance. Currently a few of the private schools in my area do serve a few mildly disabled students however any special services needed such as speech therapy, PT, OT, etc. have to be provided in that private school setting by, guess who, the public school in that area at the public schools expense. The private school does not have to pay a cent back to the public school for those services or furnish any staff for those services.
GuzziJohn
 

[SHOOTALL]

Why should the private school pay back what the parents have already paid in taxes , The parents pay the taxes then pay for private school. Hey try this on if kids go to private schools then Govt. pay back the cost to parents.
 Parents send kids to private schools because either the enviroment or the teachers don't offer as good an education experince in public schools.

[Buckskin]

Why should the private school pay back what the parents have already paid in taxes , The parents pay the taxes then pay for private school.

Ya beat me to it!!

[XD40SC]

Well as some of you know I'm a retired school teacher I taught for 38 years. Out of my pension I have to pay for health insurance for both myself and my wife.It amounts to around 12 thousand a year.  I don't feel I have to defend my job to those who know nothng about me. Every first of the month I get my retirement check and if some of you don't like it - OH WELL.

[Buckskin]

Well as some of you know I'm a retired school teacher I taught for 38 years. Out of my pension I have to pay for health insurance for both myself and my wife.It amounts to around 12 thousand a year.  I don't feel I have to defend my job to those who know nothng about me. Every first of the month I get my retirement check and if some of you don't like it - OH WELL.

I'm fine with you getting your pension, that was your deal that's what you deserve.  From here on out we can't afford those benefits any more so things need to change.

Too bad you didn't teach in Milwaukee you would be getting 2 pension checks and full health insurance paid!

[guzzijohn]

Quote from XD40SC:

Well as some of you know I'm a retired school teacher I taught for 38 years. Out of my pension I have to pay for health insurance for both myself and my wife.It amounts to around 12 thousand a year.  I don't feel I have to defend my job to those who know nothng about me. Every first of the month I get my retirement check and if some of you don't like it - OH WELL.

This is probably much more typical nation wide than what it appears to be in New York and Wisconsin. My previous wife worked for Raytheon aircraft before she died and I could have what she contributed to her 401K but nothing more and no paid health insurance for me after her death. As I have stated before, my compensation in Kansas is typical of the midwest which is my salary which would be around 46K with 22 years and a masters without my extended contract and I pay just under $500 a month for health and preventive dental only with a 2k a year deduction before I get any benefits. A mandatory 6% is taken out of my check for state retirement which is now 3.5 billon in the hole so I do not know what I will see of that. I also pay about $250 a month out of pocket for my wife's and my meds. Some of my friends that work production in aircraft (with no degree) now pay $30 a month toward health insurance with no deductible and earn between 60-80K a year and may break a 100K in a year with good overtime, but then they face cyclic layoffs which I do not have to be too concerned about.
GuzziJohn

[Cabin4]

The tax payers are getting screwed by the teachers unions all over this country. Why should a parent that sends thier child to private school pay any school tax? Public schools have been fighting against school choice and the voucher system for years. They are afraid of the competition.

[Cabin4]

Well as some of you know I'm a retired school teacher I taught for 38 years. Out of my pension I have to pay for health insurance for both myself and my wife.It amounts to around 12 thousand a year.  I don't feel I have to defend my job to those who know nothng about me. Every first of the month I get my retirement check and if some of you don't like it - OH WELL.

We have a RIGHT to know everything. We are tax payers and we pay your salary. You work for us. We don't work for YOU.

Thats the problem with the public sector. They have simply become entitled to things we in the private sector have always had to deal with. Just raise the pay and benefits, those stupid tax payers will get it shoved down thier throats.

[ironglow]

 Apparently few noticed the link Buckskin posted ...  No reason for teachers or almost any union member should come up short in their pension.. If the union thug bosses had put the dues they extracted from the workers into the pensions where they belong, there would be no problem..but the boss Hoggs gave millions upon millions to partisan (Democrat) politicians.
   Now they have the unmitigated gall to expect all of US to be willing to replace the funds they gave to our cultural enemies !
  Check out the figures;   
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
   
  I rarely used the term "thugs" when referring to unions, but this fiasco has shown me just what manner of "class" these people are..
 
 !) #1 union backer, prez Obama, starts lecturing Gov Walker on managing a budget...now that he, Obama has just about destroyed our whole country with his maniacle spending.

 2)  We have police who are practically promising to break the law..(see thread starter)  Standing with the unions and against the bulk of the people they are supposed to "serve & protect"..yeah right ! 

 3) We have police who have already refused to apply the law..to the riff-raff playing bongo drums and the noisy, cursing mob that occupies the capitol rotunda.  In fact, they joined the unruly mob !

 4) We have teachers who are being paid to teach...but are running riot in the street..on the taxpayer's dime. Then LIE about it..claiming illness.

 5) Not only do these teachers skulk out of the job they are paid to do, but they drag students with them..aiding and abetting student truancy.

 6) Left leaning doctors, violatoing their oath toward honest and proper diagnosis..handing out bogus "sick slips"..assisting the teachers in their lies.

  7)  Then we have lawmakers who, being paid by the taxpayers to do the state's business ..and neglecting their sworn duty, and have fled to a nearby state.
  The only proper tyerm for them is obviously, " FLEEBAGS" ...

  Seeing how the entire leftist/union movement is obviously shot through with shirking of duties in favor of a partisan cause  and so many are shameless LIARS... as I see it, "union thugs".... is not too harsh a term !

[billy_56081]

IG I am partial to the term parasite as these folks are the lice sucking blood from the GDP producers.

[Buckskin]

$6,500,000 damage to the inside of the capital $500,000 outside since the donkeys walked out three weeks ago.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Ironglow:

No reason for teachers or almost any union member should come up short in their pension..

I do not know how it is in other states but if you read my previous post you would have noticed that in Kansas teachers are under the state retirement system that the union has nothing to do with. Besides I am not a union member.
GuzziJohn

[XD40SC]

Well as some of you know I'm a retired school teacher I taught for 38 years. Out of my pension I have to pay for health insurance for both myself and my wife.It amounts to around 12 thousand a year.  I don't feel I have to defend my job to those who know nothng about me. Every first of the month I get my retirement check and if some of you don't like it - OH WELL.

We have a RIGHT to know everything. We are tax payers and we pay your salary. You work for us. We don't work for YOU.

Thats the problem with the public sector. They have simply become entitled to things we in the private sector have always had to deal with. Just raise the pay and benefits, those stupid tax payers will get it shoved down thier throats.

Ok. FYI- I'm a male, 6ft 185lbs. Live in a house with my wife and cat. Frankie- that's the cat's name.Drive a truck. Like to fish, hunt, photography,gardening,drinking beer, had a hemmoroid removed and I watch NASCAR. Care to share Cabin??

[guzzijohn]

Quote from billy_56801:

IG I am partial to the term parasite as these folks are the lice sucking blood from the GDP producers.

So according to you all military, defense sector workers, fire, police, highway workers, so on, so on are all parasites and should not exist since they  live off of taxpayer money and do not produce anything toward the GNP? Guess we can let Blackwater and Halburtton provide all those services? Wait that wouldn't work because they would have to be paid by taxpayer money too and at a much higher rate.
GuzziJohn

[jimster]

The only problem I have out of all of this is my tax money being funneled through a union to a political party and then funneled back to the union, and so on.  It's not right for the unions to dump money into electing people to get more tax money from tax payers, and then tell us they want more money.  Money is gone now.   

If any public union employee were to be asked how they feel about this, they would have to honestly say it stinks as well. 
Maybe if the corrupt unions would just put all that money into the teachers paychecks instead of dumping it into the dem party, we would not have this problem?

There is no money, only reason is because it goes around in a circle for politics and runs out, if the main problem was addressed there would be money, your unions should be saving it for YOU (teachers, police, fireman) not saving it to elect people to get more taxes from ME. 

So now even with your unions dumping in multi millions to the dems, you lost/they lost, "somebody" lost an election, me thinks it was the unions that lost. Ya, you got problems now.  You could have used that money they dumped into the last elections now.   


Clean up your unions, and the people who run them.  I want public employees to step up to the plate and admit something stinks, and it's not the private sector....it's the people who represent you. It's your own unions.  Guess what...the dems wrecked them, like they wrecked everythig else, what did you expect.  This does not mean I'm a republican either, I'm just telling it like it is.  You would have done no better over the years dumping into the reps either.  Unions dumping our hard earned money into elections and political parties is wrong, and you paid the price, and so are we. 

If public union employees want to fix this up real fast and look good to boot.  Tell your union bosses to take all that cash they are about to put into the 2012 elections and give it to YOU....and stop the stink.  You'll have money for pay and benifits, and people will respect you a lot more for stepping up to the plate.  Problem solved.  Let's see if public employees got the sand to stand up for what's right.

The teachers should be protesting the corruption of their unions sending their/our hard earned money to buy elections instead of using it wisely.  That would teach those mush brained kids something about being an American.   



 

[Cabin4]

Well as some of you know I'm a retired school teacher I taught for 38 years. Out of my pension I have to pay for health insurance for both myself and my wife.It amounts to around 12 thousand a year.  I don't feel I have to defend my job to those who know nothng about me. Every first of the month I get my retirement check and if some of you don't like it - OH WELL.

We have a RIGHT to know everything. We are tax payers and we pay your salary. You work for us. We don't work for YOU.

Thats the problem with the public sector. They have simply become entitled to things we in the private sector have always had to deal with. Just raise the pay and benefits, those stupid tax payers will get it shoved down thier throats.

Ok. FYI- I'm a male, 6ft 185lbs. Live in a house with my wife and cat. Frankie- that's the cat's name.Drive a truck. Like to fish, hunt, photography,gardening,drinking beer, had a hemmoroid removed and I watch NASCAR. Care to share Cabin??

NO. Becasue I don;t care to know that stuff. What I do have a right to know is what any public sector jobs pays. As a tax payer, I have that right and I have a right to influence it. After all, Its my money first, not yours.

[carbineman]

The only problem I have out of all of this is my tax money being funneled through a union to a political party and then funneled back to the union, and so on.  It's not right for the unions to dump money into electing people to get more tax money from tax payers, and then tell us they want more money.  Money is gone now.   

If any public union employee were to be asked how they feel about this, they would have to honestly say it stinks as well. 
Maybe if the corrupt unions would just put all that money into the teachers paychecks instead of dumping it into the dem party, we would not have this problem?

There is no money, only reason is because it goes around in a circle for politics and runs out, if the main problem was addressed there would be money, your unions should be saving it for YOU (teachers, police, fireman) not saving it to elect people to get more taxes from ME. 

So now even with your unions dumping in multi millions to the dems, you lost/they lost, "somebody" lost an election, me thinks it was the unions that lost. Ya, you got problems now.  You could have used that money they dumped into the last elections now.   


Clean up your unions, and the people who run them.  I want public employees to step up to the plate and admit something stinks, and it's not the private sector....it's the people who represent you. It's your own unions.  Guess what...the dems wrecked them, like they wrecked everythig else, what did you expect.  This does not mean I'm a republican either, I'm just telling it like it is.  You would have done no better over the years dumping into the reps either.  Unions dumping our hard earned money into elections and political parties is wrong, and you paid the price, and so are we. 

If public union employees want to fix this up real fast and look good to boot.  Tell your union bosses to take all that cash they are about to put into the 2012 elections and give it to YOU....and stop the stink.  You'll have money for pay and benifits, and people will respect you a lot more for stepping up to the plate.  Problem solved.  Let's see if public employees got the sand to stand up for what's right.

The teachers should be protesting the corruption of their unions sending their/our hard earned money to buy elections instead of using it wisely.  That would teach those mush brained kids something about being an American.   



 

jimster, Excellent post. ironglow, Buckskin, billy, Cabin4, Shootall, bigMikeA  you guys are all, the Real Deal