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Offline Darrell Davis

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LBT/WFN 350gr - 45/70
« on: March 02, 2011, 12:14:44 PM »
Veral,

I have a 4 cavity LBT mold that I bought in a group buy last summer.

My concern is group size.

I do have at least one more powder to try, but haven't as yet been able to get the groups down to where I want them.

This is a gas check mold.

Rifle is a RUGER #1.. Barrel is very nice, clean, sharp,  VERY LIMITED leading at .459 sizing.  Nothing to be concerned about. Just some light smears which come out QUICK.

Have tried WW BOTH quenched and air cooled.  Also WW with 25% linotype.

Lube, 3 or 4 kinds including one of yours.

Velocity running well over 2000fps, depending on powder and wt.  Still only light smears of leading!!!

Load for last hunting season was 2290fps with RL#7 This load ran 3" + for groups.

Don't seem to be able to get down in the 1 1/2" +/- range I'd like to arrive at.

Have already been weighing and separating for testing.

Any tips?

Am I pushing them too fast?

I did take my first cast bullet critter last Fall. Very quick kill!!!!!

Some folk are saying I need to go to a heavier bullet to get the groups in the 45/70 - 450gr +/-.

Comments & tips are needed.  Just as soon not buy another mold when I already have a good one.

Thanks,

Keep em coming!

CDOC
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Re: LBT/WFN 350gr - 45/70
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 07:56:15 AM »
Hello.  I am not Veral, but my go to bullet in a marlin is a 350 gr. wfn plain base. It casts at .460, just what i asked for. I shoot mine at 15-1600 fps.  Its easy and fantastic . I water drop and dry the bullets, . I lube by hand and don't even size. Definitely use blue soft lube.  That huge meplat is something to behold..  If your bullets are smearing. Your either to soft , to fast , or not big enough. You might want to read Verals book several times. You might just fire lap and be ok. I have all that stuff from Veral. Don't give up . When it shoots good it will make you smile   Antique

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Re: LBT/WFN 350gr - 45/70
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 04:35:15 PM »
Even'in antique,

Not smearing as in leading.

I have shot cast bullet for years, mostly in handguns, and this is not a leading problem!

Now, I may be exceeding the velocity for this bullet, or it could be as many think, that the best groups are going to come with the bullets in the mid to upper 400s.

I have read Veral's book.

Considering this is his mold, I hope to see where he comes down as per the questions ask.

Keep em coming!

CDOC
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Re: LBT/WFN 350gr - 45/70
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 04:38:11 PM »
  Antique gave you some very straight information.     If the bore isn't lapped it isn't target grade.
  The bullet is awful short to expect it to be a tack driver, yet if it is used in a large enough diameter to cause a close cartridge neck fit in the chamber,  if the bullets are made hard, like 20 bhn +, and if the bore is smooth and straight, which it would be if lapped, it should print much tighter groups than you are getting at FAR higher velocities, if you are using LBT lube.   If you want to lap, get the LBT lap kit and a pack of 45 rifle push through slugs.  Lap with your own bullets, and check progress with the push through slugs.  They will tell you when the barrel is made into a target grade one.

  The only 45 rifle I've played with was a Ruger 1 chambered for 458 Win Magnum.  I was able to get 3/4 inch groups using I believe a 350 gr WFN bullet launched at 3450 fps.  No leading, just consistent accuracy even in AZ 110 deg temps.  The WFN does have more bearing than the LFN, if that's what you have, and the extra bearing helps considerably.

  Square bases are mandatory, and the only way to get them is to bump them square at the bottom of the lubricator stroke if using an in and out sizer, or with a flat pusher punch and sizing nose first if using a Star sizer.  The stop plug for the other three sizers must be machined, in a lathe, with a small cup in the center of the end where the bullet makes contact, and a tiny flat rim around it's perimeter, about 1/32 wide, which is easily impressed into the gc and bullet base, insure dead squareness.  Be sure whoever does the lathe work understands exactly what I'm saying and feels comfortable that they are giving you a square end to within .0002 inch.  I do them for $5 each plus postage, if you want to send them to me.  Best deal is to send the plugs from all the dies you have, for all calibers, so the postage per each is minimal.  Contact me by email if you want this service.  LBTisAccuracy@localnet.comi 
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