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S&W up to old tricks?
« on: March 02, 2011, 06:26:21 PM »
There was a period not too long ago when all of my S&W revolvers came from the used gun section as their line had -for my tastes - made me yawn. The production of the Classic line has once again got me purchasing new production revolvers.(I am a sucker for blued N-Frames.)

Now I see they are offering 686s with 3,5, and 7" barrels. I like what I am seeing- more unique models as opposed to the endless cookie cutter models. Imagine  586s in those barrel lengths?!?!?!   ::)


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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2011, 11:43:35 PM »
There was a period not too long ago when all of my S&W revolvers came from the used gun section as their line had -for my tastes - made me yawn. The production of the Classic line has once again got me purchasing new production revolvers.(I am a sucker for blued N-Frames.)

Now I see they are offering 686s with 3,5, and 7" barrels. I like what I am seeing- more unique models as opposed to the endless cookie cutter models. Imagine  586s in those barrel lengths?!?!?!   ::)


Hello 4296
I have seen the new classic series guns offered and the finish is superior to what has come out of the factory since the late 1980's time span. I Prefer the originals though, and enjoy both of my Pre-27's one being my Nickel example shown that shipped in April 1955 and the Grandfather to it a First Year registered Magnum that shipped in December 1935 shown as well wearing an Original set of Custom Walter Roper shooting stocks... Hammerdown




















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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 03:52:32 PM »
Hammerdown

All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!

Those are two awesome guns, thanks for sharing.

Dan
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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 10:33:28 PM »
Hammerdown

All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!

Those are two awesome guns, thanks for sharing.

Dan







Hello Dan
You are very welcome. The Two Guns shown are Two of my Favorites in my collection. I shoot both and they shoot very well. The Registered Magnum series guns were short lived due to high customer demand, the Registering Process was ceased in or around 1938. They were a customer ordered custom built hand gun and the first year being 1935 they only made 720 of the total as this gun was the Most expensive that S&W Offered at $61.00 a Piece which was a Fair amount of money back then. This style of gun had REG. Then the Registration number stamped into the guns frame crane area. In 1939 They had made about 4500 total Registered Magnums and all others made after that were called Non-Registered Magnums looking exactly the same as the earler made guns but lacking the REG. stamp and the Regiistration Number after it. These guns were the brain child of Col. Douglas Wesson. He was an avid Hunter and Target shooter as well as being the Vice President of S&W. He felt the shooting world needed a Custom level handgun built by the best parts and Gun smith's S&W had to offer and they were later the Flagship handgun for S&W being the Pre-27's, and in 1957 were madel stamped in the crane area with their model number being 27. If you wanted one of these Registered Magnums you Placed your order with S&W and had a choice of Nickel or Blued finish with Nickel being very rare on them. You also had a barrel length choice from 3-1/2"-8-3/4" Barrels in 1/4" Increments. They Offered 13 different sights for these with some being imported from The King Gun sight Corp. of California and other's being Lyman or factory like the Patridge style. Later most short barrel models like mine got the Famous Baughman style Ramped front sight blade named after Frank Baughman the Famed F.B.I. Agent that designed it and asked S&W to Make it and place it on his Own Registered Magnum, and there after S&W Placed them all of their short barreled guns as shown on my Model of 1950 revolver Nickel example below. You could have ordered the following stock's being the Basic service style with S&W Medallions, The new Magna style with S&W Emblems as well or Mother of Pearl, as well as Ivory and by special request you could have gotten the very Rare Roper style Custom shooting stocks like mine has shown on it. These Roper stock's were all hand made by a man named Matheis Gagne who made all of Roper's stocks for him as most of them went to The Camp Perry shooting Teams to allow them more control and comfort when shooting Competition Target events with them, but anyone could have ordered them from Roper to be built one set at a time.



These Guns had a Grooved rear strap on them as well as a Machined cross hatch design on their rear sight blades and the top sight Plane portion of the guns frame.This Cross Hatch Machined feature is Unique to only the Registered Magnums and later the Pre-27' revolvers as shown below with the Two displayed revolver's also shown in my earlier response. The Hammers on these guns had concentric Grooves cut into them differing from other smooth sided hammers, and the triggers were grooved as well to prevent slippage when firing as well. The actions were all hand tuned to shoot smoother than any other factory hand gun offered and mine breaks clean with no creep at 2-3/4" Pounds. You could also tell them what ammo was going to be fired in it if you were going to use .38 Special ammunition or the new exciting powerfull .357 Magnum and what yardage you wanted it sighted in at so when they tested them at the factory they could shoot and adjust the sights to your specifications per your order. Once you got the gun shipped from them, you had to fill out a Registration card and send it back to the factory with your name and address on it. They In turn would make out a Registration certificate with your name, address, and what yardage you chose to have it sighted in at and what ammo was used, then they would send back the registration certificate  in a Mailing tube to it's owner & suitable for framing as this was their way of providing the very first known S&W full Lifetime warranty.



In 1935 Being the first year of the Registered Magnum revolver's many Important status People got one being The President at that time of Winchester Arms who built the .357 Magnum Cartridges for these guns, J. Edgar Hoover the Head of the F.B.I. Back then, Philip Sharp who developed and designed the .357 Magnum Cartridge, and General George S. Patton of the U.S. Army who carried his strong side with Ivory stock's and called his my Killing Machine to mention a few. Mine shipped to The Bowen Brother's Hardware company of Augusta, Georgia, with a Note attached Attention Charles W. Bowen one of the owners of that company. it shipped as shown with One Full Box of .357 Magnum ammo and sold to a Captain Rodgers of the U.S. Army who I speculate worked that time at the Augusta, Georgia Arsenal which is very close in location to The Bowen Brother's Hardware company in Augusta, Georgia. It returned to California with Mr. Rodgers after he did his tour in the Army and was sold by his son to a Police official after that. I acquired it from a Member of The Smith & Wesson Collectors association of which I belong to as well, at one of our annual S&WCA Meetings which was held in Troy, Michigan a suburb of Detroit in 2009 time span. And so it goes this gun has Traveled from Coast to Coast in it's Life Span, but it now back where it belongs back in the Deep south where it started life out....     Hammerdown












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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2011, 04:33:36 AM »
Really, really nice Hammerdown.
I'm just starting to really appreciate the N frames. Just bought a 1985 624 .44 special. Love the mountain gun profile barrel and shortened cylinder, a true special, not just a short chambered magnum.



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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 05:48:30 AM »
Smith made some really fine guns,but you really can't beat an N frame revolver. Much ballyhoo has been made of Colt's,but they just don't have the durability of older Smiths.

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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 06:41:32 AM »
Hammerdown,

Thanks for the great write up. I have read before of the registered magnums, but had never actually seen one until last June. I was in Texas visiting some friends when they asked if I wanted to go to a gun shop. (silly question). They took me to a place called "Collectors Firearms"in Houston. It was without a doubt the best gun shop I had ever been to. I was gawking and drooling all over the place, when I looked in one counter and saw TWO registered magnums. It was hard for me to explain the significance to my friends just what those guns were.

I have had model 27's in the past but let them go. Just last week I purchased another one, a 6" that is a real shooter. I have owned many N frame guns, but none has that mystique that the registered magnum...the one that really started it all...seems to have.

Thanks again for sharing the pics and your knowledge of these wonderful guns.

Dan
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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 06:49:50 AM »
FYI

I just went to Collector's Firearms web site and see they still have both of those guns. One is a 7" with a gold bead front sight and replacement rear sight as well as stag grips. The other is a 6". Must not be a lot of demand for $4000 + guns. :)

Neither of them are as nice as the pics Hammerdown shared.
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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2011, 07:37:51 AM »
Smith made some really fine guns,but you really can't beat an N frame revolver. Much ballyhoo has been made of Colt's,but they just don't have the durability of older Smiths.








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I had one of those about New In Box and swapped it off for a Nickel 4" Model 57 chambered in .41 Magnum. You did know that there was a recall on them right ? it had to do with the cylinder's of them not having the heat treated stainless just right and the way they marked them was just Plan Lousy. If you bought one after the recall it will have a 3/4" Red Dot on the box flap to show it Passed their quality control inspection. if you bought one without a Box, I would call S&W service and ask them if your gun has been checked or cleared of that very Important safety issue... many years later I found an Original .44 Special hand gun. It is a Forth Variation Hand eject target revolver in Five screw form that shipped in 1951 time span a Year after they came out. The Odd part about it is that it is a transitional piece with the large Pre-War style Mushroom shaped extractor end and it is shown below. I also recently came across a Pre-25 .45 Target revolver that is a Five screw version as well and it shipped in Gull Target form as shown with target Hammer, Target Trigger and the Non Relieved Target diamond center stocks...The Five screw .45 Pre-25's are scarse as they had a short windown span on production as in 1956 they dropped the upper side plate screw and most that you se out there for sale have been rode hard and put away hot.. I Like the Older one's Better... Hammerdown







Model of 1950 Forth Variation .44 Special hand eject










Model of 1955 .45 Target Revolver  chambered in .45 ACP Caliber









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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 07:45:30 AM »
Hammerdown,

Thanks for the great write up. I have read before of the registered magnums, but had never actually seen one until last June. I was in Texas visiting some friends when they asked if I wanted to go to a gun shop. (silly question). They took me to a place called "Collectors Firearms"in Houston. It was without a doubt the best gun shop I had ever been to. I was gawking and drooling all over the place, when I looked in one counter and saw TWO registered magnums. It was hard for me to explain the significance to my friends just what those guns were.

I have had model 27's in the past but let them go. Just last week I purchased another one, a 6" that is a real shooter. I have owned many N frame guns, but none has that mystique that the registered magnum...the one that really started it all...seems to have.

Thanks again for sharing the pics and your knowledge of these wonderful guns.

Dan



Hello Dan
My Pleasure. S&W Knew making a gun of custom level that had a cost of $61.00 with a nation just coming out of Hard time's would be hard to market and almost risky on their effort so they spent Gob's of Money on advertising for these Registered Magnums. Shown below is the sales advertising fliers for the Famous Registered Magnums used to generate sales of them, and even had an order form to custom order one included in the fliers back in 1935. To Read the flier in detail, simply click on the Pictures below. Regards, Hammerdown
























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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 04:39:16 PM »
I have a Model 28 I bought new in 1975. Nothing fancy,but it held up to my stupidity of my younger years. Fabulous piece. I also have a Model 29 I bought about 1986. I don't know how many pretty close to full power loads it has digested,but it still remains tight and has a chrome looking bore from all the cast boolits  sent down its tube. I did buy one of the original runs of the 610 in the early 1990's with the 5 inch tube. Now I did have some quality issues with this one. I sent it back to Smith two times,but they did get it squared away. The quality of my Model 16 in 32 H&R mag was second to none. Great revolver. I'm a Smith guy I guess.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2011, 01:09:53 AM »
I have a Model 28 I bought new in 1975. Nothing fancy,but it held up to my stupidity of my younger years. Fabulous piece. I also have a Model 29 I bought about 1986. I don't know how many pretty close to full power loads it has digested,but it still remains tight and has a chrome looking bore from all the cast boolits  sent down its tube. I did buy one of the original runs of the 610 in the early 1990's with the 5 inch tube. Now I did have some quality issues with this one. I sent it back to Smith two times,but they did get it squared away. The quality of my Model 16 in 32 H&R mag was second to none. Great revolver. I'm a Smith guy I guess.








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My Very First S&W handgun was a model 28-2 that I Bought while living in Alaska in the Mid 1970's. I sold that one off but found this super early example. This one was made in June 1954 The Third Month after the Highway Patrolman model 28's were released from S&W. It was the Then  company President of S&W Carl Hellstrom's Wife that came up with the Model Name Highway Patrolman for this revolver. The early ones were of Five screw design and not model marked, the model marking of 28 came in 1957 and those were Four screw variations. The Model 16-4 was a great Gun. It Featured the very Unpopular .32 H&R Magnum round that got a bad rap from the start as it was down Played and Loaded soft for the H&R Handguns that were not all that strong. S&W decided to place the caliber in these K-Frame Platforms and gave them a barrel lug as well making them a Joy to shoot even with Hot hand loads. I Hand loaded all of the rounds for this and at one time had a load that clocked an amazing 1480 FPS and was a Tack driver on target.







The velocity I got out of Hand Loaded ammo in the .32 H&R Magnum round is Higher than the .357 Magnum. Simply Put with this gun being a K-Frame and having a beefy cylinder like it does, you can't hurt it loading it hot. Late Last summer I had heard that Hamilton Bowen of Friendsville, Tennessee was converting these Model 16-4's into the new exciting Federal .327 magnum caliber. The 327 Magnum is everything that the .32 H&R Magnum should have been. The Cartridge is another 1/8" Longer than the .32 H&R Magnum round and all he had to do was lengthen the cylinder throats in my cylinder an additional 1/8" to convert it to a Federal .327 Magnum round. The cost was Just $95.00 to do this, so I decided to go with it. I Picked the gun up two weeks later as he lives just 20 Minutes from my door step, but I had a problem at that time there was no factory Loaded ammo for it so he sold me some once fired brass.







 I went home and loaded for it and used a 90 grain Sierra sports master hollow point bullet along with some Number 5 accurate arms powder and a cci small magnum primer. I clocked it at 1610 out of my 6" Barrel 10' in front of the bench and it was a Tack driver load. I then shot some .32 H&R Magnums I had loaded up along with some .32 S&W Longs I had on hand and all Three caliber's and Noticed that it grouped far better than it used to before it was converted to a 327 magnum. I called Bowen and asked him Why it was more accurate now, ? and his reply was that he matches all of the cylinder throats when he converts it, so to me this conversion Certainly made the gun better. I took it One week later  Deer Hunting with me and Killed a 51 Pound Bobcat (Live Weight} it weighed 41 Pounds field dressed as shown below, and I shot it at a true 35 Yards with my Hand load. The bullet entered the Cat's chest went through his heart and right lung then exited. The Cat toppled over kicked three times then fell dead. That Proved to me what the caliber could do, and I had the Bobcat Mounted.  Currently according to the Tennessee Fish & Wildlife Records It was the largest one ever to be taken in the state of Tennessee as it was 41-1/2" In length making it a Very Big  Wild Cat.








 It is now Gracing the shelf in my Den watching over me and it has been entered into The State Of Tennessee web site along with the Sierra Bullet web site. I have written Hand loader magazine's editor Brian Pearse and am awaiting to see if they choose to write a feature article on the Federal .327 Magnum using my Hunting story in their Magazine. Below is my Pre-28 Highway Patrolman that was shipped just Three months into production back in 1954 along with my S&W Model 16-4 that is Now chambered in The Federal .327 magnum and the Bobcat I took with it last Fall.... In closing here, I am sorry for the Thread Drift, but I thought Ya'll may be Interested to hear and see what these S&W's can really do in the woods...I am a collector but a shooter and Hunter as well with all of my S&W's. I Plan on Taking my 1935 Registered Magnum afield next Fall to see if I can Bag a Buck with it as there are not many Guy's that can stake a claim of Taking Down a Nice Buck with the Famous Registered Magnum these days.... If you click on the Links right below my response here, you will see it entered into The Sierra Bullet Web site as well as The Tennessee wildlife Web site. Regards, Hammerdown



http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm?section=successes&page=hunting&startrow=31


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The S&W Model 16-4 Now converted to the Federal .327 magnum Cartridge





















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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2011, 02:32:28 PM »
Very nice indeed. I often wondered what the actual production figures were of the Model 16-4. Thanks for sharing the pics.  Mike

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2011, 11:26:52 PM »
Very nice indeed. I often wondered what the actual production figures were of the Model 16-4. Thanks for sharing the pics.  Mike

Hello Mike
They Made The 16-4 In .32 H&R Magnum from 1989-1993 Making about 8800 of them total in the three barrel lengths of 4", 6" & 8-3/8"... Hammerdown
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Re: S&W up to old tricks?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2011, 01:19:39 PM »
I get by Collectors Firearms at least once a month---wheather I have any money or not.
There is one thing about Collectors. They are not Cheap. They are also worth every penny the charge. You can trust them.
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